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Post by logdog on Jan 20, 2020 10:23:41 GMT
England have flattered to deceive in all the forty odd years I have been watching them. I am absolutely certain that our prima Donna millionaires will never win anything in my lifetime. And yes, they do attempt to play decent football in qualifiers against bum nations & friendlies against big nations who aren’t really arsed. Let’s see how they go on when it really matters... I just find it strange that you can praise and show enthusiasm over that bunch, yet every post about our team is negative & giving yet another player a kicking. Not every post. Like with England, the best Stoke players are generally the younger ones. I don’t see us getting better any time soon even with MON. Like I asked, what is there to be positive about? Plenty. We finally have a manager with a plan who appears to know what he is doing. He has stopped the rot. He is doing his best to clear out the dead wood & copious amounts of crap the previous incumbent’s have left him with - whilst being happy to give the young lads their opportunity. All this with his hands firmly tied. Obviously you’re a glass half empty kinda guy...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 20, 2020 10:58:45 GMT
Vardy simply has to go. Your country needs you Jamie!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2020 11:24:41 GMT
Not every post. Like with England, the best Stoke players are generally the younger ones. I don’t see us getting better any time soon even with MON. Like I asked, what is there to be positive about? Plenty. We finally have a manager with a plan who appears to know what he is doing. He has stopped the rot. He is doing his best to clear out the dead wood & copious amounts of crap the previous incumbent’s have left him with - whilst being happy to give the young lads their opportunity. All this with his hands firmly tied. Obviously you’re a glass half empty kinda guy... I like MON but I'm not sure of any plan tbh. We haven't been hard to beat, we haven't been gung ho. There doesn't seem to be much of a plan there. He's just using his manmanagement skills I think to make the place feel a bit happier, which is excellent. Nothing I've seen on the pitch though makes me feel we've turned a corner. We've got rid of our better players?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 14:59:36 GMT
How is he a sub standard manager? He's doing far better than top managers did with better squads Tactically he’s poor. And in the key moments I think he’s ultimately failed. I couldn't agree more & I strongly believe that this will be his last tournament if he doesn't hit the semis again. I see it this way, if we get to the semis, we'll win it. I don't see anybody beating us at Wembley in a major tournament. The problem is, I can't see us getting that far. We'll win our 3 group games at home. We then have a gigantic task in Dublin in the R16, there will be a monstrous following and we have the ability to beat a side as Portugal/Germany on our day, but even if that does happen, we then have an even tougher game in Rome in 1/4 final against another big team, and I just can't see us winning both. Should we somehow do it, nobody stops us from that semi onward at Wembley. But yes, Gareth is naïve and has failed on the big stage against big teams, that's why despite being at every game in June/July believing we'll win it, my head tells me I doubt we can go all the way.
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Post by logdog on Jan 20, 2020 15:42:39 GMT
Plenty. We finally have a manager with a plan who appears to know what he is doing. He has stopped the rot. He is doing his best to clear out the dead wood & copious amounts of crap the previous incumbent’s have left him with - whilst being happy to give the young lads their opportunity. All this with his hands firmly tied. Obviously you’re a glass half empty kinda guy... I like MON but I'm not sure of any plan tbh. We haven't been hard to beat, we haven't been gung ho. There doesn't seem to be much of a plan there. He's just using his manmanagement skills I think to make the place feel a bit happier, which is excellent. Nothing I've seen on the pitch though makes me feel we've turned a corner. We've got rid of our better players? We have a system these players look comfortable with & where they know what they are supposed to be doing. That’s a plan. We have won more and lost less than before he arrived. We are harder to beat. Which better players have we got rid of?
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Post by samstokie1 on Jan 22, 2020 20:20:47 GMT
welp vardys just gone off injured at leicester
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 22, 2020 22:11:35 GMT
Calvert-Lewin it is...
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Post by wrighter on Jan 22, 2020 22:23:23 GMT
Ings ?
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Post by jwhpotter on Jan 23, 2020 0:39:58 GMT
welp vardys just gone off injured at leicester He’s already come out and said he won’t be returning to international football anyway (unfortunately)
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jan 23, 2020 20:01:19 GMT
how bout Tyrese?
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 24, 2020 7:06:24 GMT
Has to be ings but I can see him going with DCL
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 8:53:22 GMT
Was reading a few tweets throughout the week from some journos and that think we might be better off not playing Kane.
I think I agree.
He’s obviously a good goalscorer but he’s selfish and do the team lose out because he plays?
Would the team actually better off with Sancho Rashford Sterling? Possibly.
The attacking options we have though are frightening. Foden has to be involved from now.
And I really like Saka at Arsenal too. Not ready for the full team yet but a very good player already at 18.
And Mason Greenwood is fast looking like he’s ready for the full team too.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 5, 2020 9:00:14 GMT
I was thinking this watching Foden the other day. If we can find a two in midfield who will screen the back four and also be comfortable taking possession when being squeezed (at the moment I can only think of Winks as that sort of player and he's not brilliant at defending) then you have Foden, Sancho, Rashford, Sterling, Kane all as options in front, I can't see anything better anywhere.
It really is that midfield behind those players that is the problem.
I've always been disappointed Dele Ali wasn't coached into the role of a deeper lying midfielder because he could dictate a game from deep.maybe we could still try him there, in the two of a 4-2-3-1.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 5, 2020 9:02:16 GMT
Was reading a few tweets throughout the week from some journos and that think we might be better off not playing Kane. I think I agree. He’s obviously a good goalscorer but he’s selfish and do the team lose out because he plays? Would the team actually better off with Sancho Rashford Sterling? Possibly. The attacking options we have though are frightening. Foden has to be involved from now. And I really like Saka at Arsenal too. Not ready for the full team yet but a very good player already at 18. And Mason Greenwood is fast looking like he’s ready for the full team too. Kane, selfish? I'd disagree with that. He certainly shoots when he has the chance but he's also knows when to pass. Does anyone remember the win in Spain for England? Far from selfish, in fact superb and shows what he can do against top teams when needs be. Taking out you're best goal scorer is just ridiculous.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 9:04:27 GMT
Was reading a few tweets throughout the week from some journos and that think we might be better off not playing Kane. I think I agree. He’s obviously a good goalscorer but he’s selfish and do the team lose out because he plays? Would the team actually better off with Sancho Rashford Sterling? Possibly. The attacking options we have though are frightening. Foden has to be involved from now. And I really like Saka at Arsenal too. Not ready for the full team yet but a very good player already at 18. And Mason Greenwood is fast looking like he’s ready for the full team too. Kane, selfish? I'd disagree with that. He certainly shoots when he has the chance but he's also knows when to pass. Does anyone remember the win in Spain for England? Far from selfish, in fact superb and shows what he can do against top teams when needs be. Taking out you're best goal scorer is just ridiculous. Croatia is the one that comes to mind straightaway. And it does on the face of it. But would that 3 score more as a 3 than if Kane was in with them? I think they possibly would then it doesn’t look so daft.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 5, 2020 9:12:58 GMT
Kane, selfish? I'd disagree with that. He certainly shoots when he has the chance but he's also knows when to pass. Does anyone remember the win in Spain for England? Far from selfish, in fact superb and shows what he can do against top teams when needs be. Taking out you're best goal scorer is just ridiculous. Croatia is the one that comes to mind straightaway. And it does on the face of it. But would that 3 score more as a 3 than if Kane was in with them? I think they possibly would then it doesn’t look so daft. I disagree. I think Kane is superb for England, I think he leads the line well and by having him on the pitch he generally occupies two centre halves, because he does move around in the middle of the park, which helps our wide men have more space and more joy as well as the option to move in centrally if needs be. I don't doubt the talent we have available in our attackers and in a couple of years time Kane might need dropping but right now I think he adds a lot to the team, more than just his goals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 9:13:50 GMT
These are the tweets.
The logic behind them makes total sense to me anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 9:15:09 GMT
Croatia is the one that comes to mind straightaway. And it does on the face of it. But would that 3 score more as a 3 than if Kane was in with them? I think they possibly would then it doesn’t look so daft. I disagree. I think Kane is superb for England, I think he leads the line well and by having him on the pitch he generally occupies two centre halves, because he does move around in the middle of the park, which helps our wide men have more space and more joy as well as the option to move in centrally if needs be. I don't doubt the talent we have available in our attackers and in a couple of years time Kane might need dropping but right now I think he adds a lot to the team, more than just his goals. But with that the centre halves know who they’re marking. Take him out and play a more fluid front 3 and that will be harder to deal with surely?
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2020 9:15:35 GMT
Was reading a few tweets throughout the week from some journos and that think we might be better off not playing Kane. I think I agree. He’s obviously a good goalscorer but he’s selfish and do the team lose out because he plays? Would the team actually better off with Sancho Rashford Sterling? Possibly. The attacking options we have though are frightening. Foden has to be involved from now. And I really like Saka at Arsenal too. Not ready for the full team yet but a very good player already at 18. And Mason Greenwood is fast looking like he’s ready for the full team too. Watch the performance where we beat Spain away Kane was superb dropping deeper with Sterling and Rashford bombing on. Spain couldn't handle it at all, Kane was pivotal.
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2020 9:16:10 GMT
Anyway England's issue is at the other end.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 5, 2020 9:28:39 GMT
Was reading a few tweets throughout the week from some journos and that think we might be better off not playing Kane. I think I agree. He’s obviously a good goalscorer but he’s selfish and do the team lose out because he plays? Would the team actually better off with Sancho Rashford Sterling? Possibly. The attacking options we have though are frightening. Foden has to be involved from now. And I really like Saka at Arsenal too. Not ready for the full team yet but a very good player already at 18. And Mason Greenwood is fast looking like he’s ready for the full team too. Mason Greenwood looks world class. He has to get a call up soon. We still need Kane to start, he can hold the ball up well, he's a top goalscorer, he's an aerial threat too. Set pieces are important for any team and many of those players although talented don't offer much from set pieces. Kane's an all rounder, it's hard to keep him out of any England team, he scores penalties too and clinically too. It's a good headache to have, we have so many options.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 5, 2020 9:38:39 GMT
We have a real depth of options up front now.
But we really need someone/two in midfield who can do the dirty work.
On a side note? Who would your GK be? I think for me, it would have to be Henderson. Especially if he has another good season next year.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 9:42:58 GMT
We have a real depth of options up front now. But we really need someone/two in midfield who can do the dirty work. On a side note? Who would your GK be? I think for me, it would have to be Henderson. Especially if he has another good season next year. Henderson, Pope and Heaton are the ones I’d pick from and it solely depends on form. Henderson at minute for sure. I still don’t think we’ve got a good enough defence either. Maguire would be nowhere any other decent international side. I like Gomez but he needs to play more. Chilwell is overrated. TAA is class but in a side that aren’t dominating can be exposed pretty easily.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 5, 2020 9:50:07 GMT
These are the tweets. The logic behind them makes total sense to me anyway. What we found in international football was many teams play ultra defensive especially in group stages, we need to be a threat from all aspects of the game. If we take Kane out of the team who do we rely on to score from corners and wide free kicks? Maguire? Kane is a natural goalscorer and poacher. Ronaldo is a beast in the air and all round to be fair. Taking Kane out of the side and we will become one dimensional.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 5, 2020 10:00:24 GMT
We really need a quality central defender. Oh if Virgil van Dijk was English we could be world beaters.
Foden will change the way we play. Also Sterling's composure on the ball has improved massively the last couple of years.
We can start to play possession based football now and go toe-to-toe with the top international teams.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 10:08:11 GMT
These are the tweets. The logic behind them makes total sense to me anyway. What we found in international football was many teams play ultra defensive especially in group stages, we need to be a threat from all aspects of the game. If we take Kane out of the team who do we rely on to score from corners and wide free kicks? Maguire? Kane is a natural goalscorer and poacher. Ronaldo is a beast in the air and all round to be fair. Taking Kane out of the side and we will become one dimensional. I’d say the complete opposite 😂👍
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jul 5, 2020 10:14:18 GMT
Have we ever had this much attacking depth before?
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Post by superalexneil on Jul 5, 2020 10:19:08 GMT
Euros line up (abit of fun and a guess obv)
Henderson
TAA Gomez Maguire Shaw
Henderson ????
Sterling Foden Sancho
Kane
Subs - pickford stones chilwell greenwood saka rashford winks
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 5, 2020 10:40:09 GMT
It's the defence that's the issue. I like Gomez and think he'll be decent one day but he's still making basic errors. Even against Palace in a game they won comfortably he was poor against Jordan Ayew and then against Citeh, Sterling was too quick and clever for him.
.... and thats me discussing probably our best option at cb right now which means the rest aren't up too much.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 10:43:26 GMT
It's the defence that's the issue. I like Gomez and think he'll be decent one day but he's still making basic errors. Even against Palace in a game they won comfortably he was poor against Jordan Ayew and then against Citeh, Sterling was too quick and clever for him. .... and thats me discussing probably our best option at cb right now which means the rest aren't up too much. Yeah and there’s not even one in the younger sides that people seem to rave about. Seen people talk about Ben White at Leeds and the DM there but have no idea how good they are?
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