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Post by samdan on Jun 11, 2021 13:06:58 GMT
He scored 3 in his first season. He’s scored 8 in 78 games in the league. £1m for each goal including Crouch going the other way. He obviously didn't score last season, but played many, so that stat of yours is misleading too. He scored 8 over the course of his first year here and helped us avoid relegation. Ignoring his 30 games last season then he scored 8 in 48 in the previous two. I’d argue scoring so few goals helped contribute to us being in the relegation mix not helped us survive. Afobe scored 8 in 46 in the same period so by your logic did he help us avoid relegation too?
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Post by yyy on Jun 11, 2021 13:07:06 GMT
Then we don't sell. It's really simple. It isn’t though is it , none of us know the ffp situation, we might have to sell to stop a points deduction, and if ( I hope it isn’t ) that’s the case we have to accept the highest offer If that's the case and we don't reinvest the cash straight back into the first team with some quality signings... thank the lord for these under the radar streaming services, a whole season for £30, top notch. No chance am I paying good money to watch an incompetent shit show on & off the pitch. Heads need to roll if we don't pump the money straight back into the team, either that or sell up & f**k off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 13:16:31 GMT
Though it seems a little low to some, we're hardly in a strong position.
If the player's aware there is PL interest, then his head may be turned.
We've then got FFP to think about.
Add in, the fact we're a 'nothing' Championship club these days, like it or not.
Neal Maupay went from Brentford to Brighton a couple of years ago (pre-COVID era) for just under £16m. He'd banged in the goals, was still only 20 or so, and Brentford were not desperate. Strikers always fetch higher fees, also.
So on what planet is Collins worth £18m, or, as I have seen mentioned, £25m?
If it's £12m, then it's a saleable asset that we've cashed in on, and whilst £12m wasn't a lot to us 3-4 years ago, it's maybe a fortune to us now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 13:23:58 GMT
Though it seems a little low to some, we're hardly in a strong position. If the player's aware there is PL interest, then his head may be turned. We've then got FFP to think about. Add in, the fact we're a 'nothing' Championship club these days, like it or not. Neal Maupay went from Brentford to Brighton a couple of years ago (pre-COVID era) for just under £16m. He'd banged in the goals, was still only 20 or so, and Brentford were not desperate. Strikers always fetch higher fees, also. So on what planet is Collins worth £18m, or, as I have seen mentioned, £25m? If it's £12m, then it's a saleable asset that we've cashed in on, and whilst £12m wasn't a lot to us 3-4 years ago, it's maybe a fortune to us now? The operative word is 'may'. His head may be turned, as you say, but if he's aware of interest from bigger clubs, would his head keep turning or falling into place, until they act upon their interest? As I've said before, I've seen no interviews or social media postings where Nathan indicated he was Burnley bound...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 13:30:40 GMT
Though it seems a little low to some, we're hardly in a strong position. If the player's aware there is PL interest, then his head may be turned. We've then got FFP to think about. Add in, the fact we're a 'nothing' Championship club these days, like it or not. Neal Maupay went from Brentford to Brighton a couple of years ago (pre-COVID era) for just under £16m. He'd banged in the goals, was still only 20 or so, and Brentford were not desperate. Strikers always fetch higher fees, also. So on what planet is Collins worth £18m, or, as I have seen mentioned, £25m? If it's £12m, then it's a saleable asset that we've cashed in on, and whilst £12m wasn't a lot to us 3-4 years ago, it's maybe a fortune to us now? The operative word is 'may'. His head may be turned, as you say, but if he's aware of interest from bigger clubs, would his head keep turning or falling into place, until they act upon their interest? As I've said before, I've seen no interviews or social media postings where Nathan indicated he was Burnley bound... Yeah I agree. I think we need to accept he'll be leaving. £12m doesn't feel that bad to me.
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Post by christhepotter on Jun 11, 2021 13:35:33 GMT
It isn’t though is it , none of us know the ffp situation, we might have to sell to stop a points deduction, and if ( I hope it isn’t ) that’s the case we have to accept the highest offer If that's the case and we don't reinvest the cash straight back into the first team with some quality signings... thank the lord for these under the radar streaming services, a whole season for £30, top notch. No chance am I paying good money to watch an incompetent shit show on & off the pitch. Heads need to roll if we don't pump the money straight back into the team, either that or sell up & f**k off. Ffp will determine if the money can be reinvested in the team , and if they sell up and fuck off we will still have ffp to deal with 🤦♂️
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 11, 2021 13:37:45 GMT
It’s not your money though? It doesn't matter. It needs to start at 15 minimum and needs to rise to 25. That's the end of it really. Amusing how you write as though you are somehow involved in the process. He goes if the owners wish to sell...that’s the end of it really. It matters not one fucking jot what you, me, or anyone else on here thinks.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 11, 2021 13:39:57 GMT
The operative word is 'may'. His head may be turned, as you say, but if he's aware of interest from bigger clubs, would his head keep turning or falling into place, until they act upon their interest? As I've said before, I've seen no interviews or social media postings where Nathan indicated he was Burnley bound... Yeah I agree. I think we need to accept he'll be leaving. £12m doesn't feel that bad to me. £12m and a sell on clause or a loan back for the season would be as good as it gets......
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 11, 2021 13:40:56 GMT
Seems like the club need someone with your obvious experience in multi million pound transfer negotiations to help us. Have you tried calling the club or emailing Bet365 with your CV? Maybe you could double that up with being the club's biggest cheerleader 😎 Unlike you to be all over a thread slaughtering the club you claim to support.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2021 13:45:54 GMT
Then we don't sell. It's really simple. It isn’t though is it , none of us know the ffp situation, we might have to sell to stop a points deduction, and if ( I hope it isn’t ) that’s the case we have to accept the highest offer They've said they don't need to sell pretty consistently haven't they? The vibes in the press are that we don't need to sell too.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 11, 2021 14:07:35 GMT
Anyone else feel like Alan Nixon is talking out of his arse with his latest round of tweets? Seems like he's hoping if he throws enough shit, eventually some will stick. that's the style isn't it....edging his bets, covering all bases.....smacks of attention seeking too.
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Post by stokie1947 on Jun 11, 2021 14:10:23 GMT
12 mill is a joke 20 the very least with add ons
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 14:12:23 GMT
as of now we haven't sold him and no point in getting would up over imaginary fees.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 11, 2021 14:15:49 GMT
as of now we haven't sold him and no point in getting would up over imaginary fees. Can you set anything in our past deadline that leads you to believe that it won't be a measly fee in comparison to similar Crown jewels of other clubs?
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 11, 2021 14:16:36 GMT
If Burnley really is that interested then $15mil and he's yours, otherwise cut the crap. That'd be the way I'd handle it. $12 is too low.
I know, I know - FFP. But they've been supposedly kicking the tires on him for months now? Is this a "bro-mance" or a deal? And it doesn't look like we're desperate (In regards to Collins anyway) to sell.
But damn! It's hard to tell with media what's made up truth and what's total bullsh*t. (They only tell plain truth accidentally)
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 11, 2021 14:28:17 GMT
If Burnley really is that interested then $15mil and he's yours, otherwise cut the crap. That'd be the way I'd handle it. $12 is too low. I know, I know - FFP. But they've been supposedly kicking the tires on him for months now? Is this a "bro-mance" or a deal? And it doesn't look like we're desperate (In regards to Collins anyway) to sell. But damn! It's hard to tell with media what's made up truth and what's total bullsh*t. (They only tell plain truth accidentally) I agree. $12 for Collins a joke. It’s not even a tenner in Sterling is it?
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Post by thevoid on Jun 11, 2021 14:32:15 GMT
Maybe you could double that up with being the club's biggest cheerleader 😎 Unlike you to be all over a thread slaughtering the club you claim to support. All over? It's one post fella. And support isn't happy clapping five years of decline and piss poor ownership.
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Post by upthefud on Jun 11, 2021 14:33:14 GMT
If Burnley really is that interested then $15mil and he's yours, otherwise cut the crap. That'd be the way I'd handle it. $12 is too low. I know, I know - FFP. But they've been supposedly kicking the tires on him for months now? Is this a "bro-mance" or a deal? And it doesn't look like we're desperate (In regards to Collins anyway) to sell. But damn! It's hard to tell with media what's made up truth and what's total bullsh*t. (They only tell plain truth accidentally) I agree. $12 for Collins a joke. It’s not even a tenner in Sterling is it? With the pound rising against the dollar that deal looks worse and worse. Fuck sake Scholes don’t you dare sell him for £8.50
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 11, 2021 14:42:01 GMT
Unlike you to be all over a thread slaughtering the club you claim to support. All over? It's one post fella. And support isn't happy clapping five years of decline and piss poor ownership. So you keep saying. I bet you’re a treat to have a pint with, “fella”.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 11, 2021 14:42:23 GMT
Yeah I agree. I think we need to accept he'll be leaving. £12m doesn't feel that bad to me. £12m and a sell on clause or a loan back for the season would be as good as it gets...... I still hope we'll get £15M + a sell on clause installed, but we're getting close to numbers we can't turn down now.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2021 14:46:13 GMT
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Post by yyy on Jun 11, 2021 14:52:04 GMT
If that's the case and we don't reinvest the cash straight back into the first team with some quality signings... thank the lord for these under the radar streaming services, a whole season for £30, top notch. No chance am I paying good money to watch an incompetent shit show on & off the pitch. Heads need to roll if we don't pump the money straight back into the team, either that or sell up & f**k off. Ffp will determine if the money can be reinvested in the team , and if they sell up and fuck off we will still have ffp to deal with 🤦♂️ We still have to deal with ffp with them
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 11, 2021 15:00:55 GMT
Yeah and now that I think about it - 20 million he's yours or cut the crap. (Or hope that this "bidding war" happens and the PL teams drive it into crazy figures)
Steady now steady...this is only my opinion: Otherwise, (Just a possibility and personal wish) this kid could end up being one of our heroes if he stays here long term.
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Post by christhepotter on Jun 11, 2021 15:01:03 GMT
It isn’t though is it , none of us know the ffp situation, we might have to sell to stop a points deduction, and if ( I hope it isn’t ) that’s the case we have to accept the highest offer They've said they don't need to sell pretty consistently haven't they? The vibes in the press are that we don't need to sell too. If that’s the case we keep him
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 11, 2021 15:32:59 GMT
Anyone else feel like Alan Nixon is talking out of his arse with his latest round of tweets? Seems like he's hoping if he throws enough shit, eventually some will stick. I hope Stoke are using him and Burnley to draw out interest its been done often enough to us.
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Post by boothenesque on Jun 11, 2021 15:38:18 GMT
Is Collins 2x better than Vokes, 3x, 10x? How can we allow ourselves to be a laughing stock after a club the size of Crewe can dump a donkey like Vokes on us for £9m and take away arguably our most prized asset for £12m. Do we not have a shred of pride and dignity? None of our players should be attracted by the bright lights of Burnley ffs. We're looking at players who haven't played a 1st team game for £8m. Why do other teams get top dollar for their players? A couple of years ago we were talking of Butland for £30m and now we're lucky if we got £3m. Look at the players that have cost us a massive amount for shite on the pitch and a shite return. In contrast look at what we got for the likes on Nzonzi. Arnie was the exception to the rule. Are we the worst club at doing this? We seem to be totally inept. It's not just like this in recent times, it's always been like this. I recall our fantastic team in the 70s going for next to nothing after the clowns running the club didn't insure the ground. Different clowns now but the same circus. We really are a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 16:12:11 GMT
Is Collins 2x better than Vokes, 3x, 10x? How can we allow ourselves to be a laughing stock after a club the size of Crewe can dump a donkey like Vokes on us for £9m and take away arguably our most prized asset for £12m. Do we not have a shred of pride and dignity? None of our players should be attracted by the bright lights of Burnley ffs. We're looking at players who haven't played a 1st team game for £8m. Why do other teams get top dollar for their players. A couple of years ago we were talking of Butland for £30m and now we're luck if we got £3m. Look at the players that have cost us a massive amount for shite on the pitch and a shite return. In contrast look at what we got for the likes on Nzonzi. Arnie was the exception to the rule. Are we the worst club at doing this? We seem to be totally inept. It's not just like this in recent times, it's always been like this. I recall our fantastic team in the 70s going for next to nothing after the clowns running the club didn't insure the ground. Different clowns now but the same circus. We really are a joke. They haven't taken him away for 12 million and you can stick 30 million pound price tags on Butland all day but no one was ever going to pay it.
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Post by march4 on Jun 11, 2021 16:13:58 GMT
Yeah I agree. I think we need to accept he'll be leaving. £12m doesn't feel that bad to me. £12m and a sell on clause or a loan back for the season would be as good as it gets...... Which we should reject without much thought at this stage of the transfer window. If other clubs are circling we are best waiting to see them bidding against each other before we make an agreement with the first potential buyer.
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 11, 2021 16:27:58 GMT
now that we are slowly getting rid of the dead wood off the wage bill, i think it should take a big offer to sell one of our prised assets if one does not come in we should keep all our young players we don,t want to spend watching next season with dead wood players again, look after our club fuck the rest,
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Post by yyy on Jun 11, 2021 16:40:10 GMT
Is Collins 2x better than Vokes, 3x, 10x? How can we allow ourselves to be a laughing stock after a club the size of Crewe can dump a donkey like Vokes on us for £9m and take away arguably our most prized asset for £12m. Do we not have a shred of pride and dignity? None of our players should be attracted by the bright lights of Burnley ffs. We're looking at players who haven't played a 1st team game for £8m. Why do other teams get top dollar for their players. A couple of years ago we were talking of Butland for £30m and now we're luck if we got £3m. Look at the players that have cost us a massive amount for shite on the pitch and a shite return. In contrast look at what we got for the likes on Nzonzi. Arnie was the exception to the rule. Are we the worst club at doing this? We seem to be totally inept. It's not just like this in recent times, it's always been like this. I recall our fantastic team in the 70s going for next to nothing after the clowns running the club didn't insure the ground. Different clowns now but the same circus. We really are a joke. They haven't taken him away for 12 million and you can stick 30 million pound price tags on Butland all day but no one was ever going to pay it. Butland was rubbish though.
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