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Jan 18, 2020 8:55:02 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Jan 18, 2020 8:55:02 GMT
Arguably man of the match v Huddersfield. Some people’s bias affects their memory...... He was crap against Huddersfield. Sentinels rating v Huddersfield.=McCLEAN: Always a threat with deliveries and whenever within sight of goal himself 8 No one scored higher.
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Jimmy.
Jan 18, 2020 8:55:07 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 8:55:07 GMT
He was crap against Huddersfield. Away? He had a good game,they all did Home? He had a bad game, they all did Away. He did nothing until the corner for Gregory’s goal.
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Jimmy.
Jan 18, 2020 8:57:16 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 8:57:16 GMT
He was crap against Huddersfield. Sentinels rating v Huddersfield.=McCLEAN: Always a threat with deliveries and whenever within sight of goal himself 8 No one scored higher. He hasn’t been a threat with deliveries since the Sheffield Wednesday game and even then that was actually only from open play. His corners have been toss even in his little 4 game run. And for a true reflection from a Sentinel rating you need to -2 at least.
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Jimmy.
Jan 18, 2020 8:59:48 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Jan 18, 2020 8:59:48 GMT
Sentinels rating v Huddersfield.=McCLEAN: Always a threat with deliveries and whenever within sight of goal himself 8 No one scored higher. He hasn’t been a threat with deliveries since the Sheffield Wednesday game and even then that was actually only from open play. His corners have been toss even in his little 4 game run. And for a true reflection from a Sentinel rating you need to -2 at least. Thats your opinion,most on here disagree so does Spinks.If you gave players -2 he would still be equal top rating.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 9:02:39 GMT
He hasn’t been a threat with deliveries since the Sheffield Wednesday game and even then that was actually only from open play. His corners have been toss even in his little 4 game run. And for a true reflection from a Sentinel rating you need to -2 at least. Thats your opinion,most on here disagree so does Spinks.If you gave players -2 he would still be equal top rating. I said at least. Most on here do disagree. A sure sign that he was crap.
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Jan 18, 2020 9:16:12 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 18, 2020 9:16:12 GMT
Sentinels rating v Huddersfield.=McCLEAN: Always a threat with deliveries and whenever within sight of goal himself 8 No one scored higher. He hasn’t been a threat with deliveries since the Sheffield Wednesday game and even then that was actually only from open play. His corners have been toss even in his little 4 game run. And for a true reflection from a Sentinel rating you need to -2 at least. Wasn’t the last gasp winner scored after a great corner from him?
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Jan 18, 2020 10:00:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 10:00:56 GMT
He hasn’t been a threat with deliveries since the Sheffield Wednesday game and even then that was actually only from open play. His corners have been toss even in his little 4 game run. And for a true reflection from a Sentinel rating you need to -2 at least. Wasn’t the last gasp winner scored after a great corner from him? It wasn’t a great corner was it? It went straight to a Sheffield Wednesday player like they had done all day. He keeps hitting them out too which linesmen aren’t spotting.
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Jan 18, 2020 11:09:33 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 18, 2020 11:09:33 GMT
I know that the IRA still exist and are embedded into the fabric of Ireland but the Northern Irish Assembly was formed in 1998 and The "Troubles" are at least on hold (pending Johnson doing something to ignite them!) so the constant barrage of "Fuck the IRA" songs sounds like something that should be historically redundant. Alternately we may as well sing "Fuck the Jacobite rebels" to every proud Scotsman! We all contextualise history by our political views so when I think of Churchill (to use a name mentioned earlier in this thread) I think of Tonypandy and his reaction there to determine my view of the person he was. Jon Walter's being a Tory did disappoint me but for some reason a lot of Evertonians, regardless of social/economic background, do ( working class people not voting in their own interests does happen after all, ask the people in Stoke North and Central who've just pissed on 84 years of history). Ricky Tomlinson was (falsely) imprisoned for his Trade Union activities but he still originally voted Tory as a young man because that's what his Evertonian family did. Denis Smith was the player I grew up as a little kid loving the most as he was the bravest player I've ever seen but when he came out and said he was an admirer of Thatcher that affected my view of him as a person. However I could still only be grateful for the hardworking and committed ethic that he, like McClean and Walters, always demonstrated on the pitch. They are footballers and ordinary people not philosophers ( in fact I would imagine that most English footballers are air heads who vote Tory, if they can even be arsed to vote, because their business manager tells them its better for their tax situation). So, as long as they are not doing immoral stuff like sleeping with underage girls or being total twats in their behaviour we should just measure them by what they contribute on the pitch. I was interested in your comments about Evertonians being blue in more senses than one, which I haven't heard before. One of the guys who often swims at the same time as I do is an arch Evertonian and a strong supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. It's a toss up who he dislikes the most - Liverpool FC or the Tories !. I will certainly ask him about this next time I see him. Incidentally in an interview last year Jon Walters said he had no fixed political alliegance and that his infamous tweet had been over-interpreted.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 18, 2020 11:25:14 GMT
Is it just me or did the whole McClean non-poppy wearing pass off more peacefully last time around? He seemed to have been more lower profile unlike the previous year.
I don't particularly like him and do not rate him as a footballer but it can't be denied that he is playing better under this manager and leaving him out would be pretty stupid at the moment.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 18, 2020 12:05:48 GMT
Wasn’t the last gasp winner scored after a great corner from him? It wasn’t a great corner was it? It went straight to a Sheffield Wednesday player like they had done all day. He keeps hitting them out too which linesmen aren’t spotting. 😂😂😂 at that stage he was playing with one leg and had literally run himself into the ground....as well as us back into the game. He won a corner he had no right to. Limped over to take it and put it in exactly the right area to cause Wednesday problems. But yeah it was a shit corner.
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Jan 18, 2020 12:13:10 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 12:13:10 GMT
It wasn’t a great corner was it? It went straight to a Sheffield Wednesday player like they had done all day. He keeps hitting them out too which linesmen aren’t spotting. 😂😂😂 at that stage he was playing with one leg and had literally run himself into the ground....as well as us back into the game. He won a corner he had no right to. Limped over to take it and put it in exactly the right area to cause Wednesday problems. But yeah it was a shit corner. I know but you were on about the corner itself and it was a poor one! It should have been cleared with ease but thankfully that useless bastard they had at the back headed it perfectly to Vokes. Which tbf to McClean is better than getting it on Shawcross’ or Batth’s head as it could have gone anywhere then!
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Jan 18, 2020 12:15:55 GMT
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Post by 3putts on Jan 18, 2020 12:15:55 GMT
It wasn’t a great corner was it? It went straight to a Sheffield Wednesday player like they had done all day. He keeps hitting them out too which linesmen aren’t spotting. 😂😂😂 at that stage he was playing with one leg and had literally run himself into the ground....as well as us back into the game. He won a corner he had no right to. Limped over to take it and put it in exactly the right area to cause Wednesday problems. But yeah it was a shit corner. Don't waste your time mate bayern clearly has an agenda I hid his posts yonks ago they were all shit I question whether he is actually a stoke fan. I'm no fan of jm I don't like his stance on the poppy but I will judge him on his football and since he stopped playing lb he has been a different player.
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Jan 18, 2020 12:20:05 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 12:20:05 GMT
😂😂😂 at that stage he was playing with one leg and had literally run himself into the ground....as well as us back into the game. He won a corner he had no right to. Limped over to take it and put it in exactly the right area to cause Wednesday problems. But yeah it was a shit corner. Don't waste your time mate bayern clearly has an agenda I hid his posts yonks ago they were all shit I question whether he is actually a stoke fan. I'm no fan of jm I don't like his stance on the poppy but I will judge him on his football and since he stopped playing lb he has been a different player. The not a Stoke fan bullocks. Thank fuck you hid my posts with shite like that. A corner than goes to an opposition player is a bad corner.
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Jan 18, 2020 13:48:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 13:48:24 GMT
Don't waste your time mate bayern clearly has an agenda I hid his posts yonks ago they were all shit I question whether he is actually a stoke fan. I'm no fan of jm I don't like his stance on the poppy but I will judge him on his football and since he stopped playing lb he has been a different player. The not a Stoke fan bullocks. Thank fuck you hid my posts with shite like that. A corner than goes to an opposition player is a bad corner. That's a too simplistic way of looking at it. You are wrong, because a good ball, great pass or good corner can all happen without it's intended target being found due to other circumstances that can happen during a football match. Just like a great free kick doesn't always go in or a cracking strike at goal doesn't always hit the back of the net. It's ok to admit you're wrong you know sometimes, not everybody can be right all of the time. James McClean has worked his bollocks off for us since O'Neill came in and has been instrumental in our upturn in results, to suggest anything else is borne out of the fact that you don't like him as a footballer.
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Jan 18, 2020 18:45:00 GMT
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Post by pembo82 on Jan 18, 2020 18:45:00 GMT
Malcom is absolutely spot on sectarian chanting is offensive and should not be tolerated and the uefa sanctions are the same as racist crowd behaviour which rangers and Celtic have both been subject to.
The Birmingham game last season there was a Birmingham supporter in the hospitality section next to where I sit who was more than happy to openly sing fuck the ira.
I highlighted this to a steward who didn’t see this as a breach of the stadium rules of supporter conduct which is alarming to say the least
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Jan 18, 2020 18:53:07 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Jan 18, 2020 18:53:07 GMT
The not a Stoke fan bullocks. Thank fuck you hid my posts with shite like that. A corner than goes to an opposition player is a bad corner. That's a too simplistic way of looking at it. You are wrong, because a good ball, great pass or good corner can all happen without it's intended target being found due to other circumstances that can happen during a football match. Just like a great free kick doesn't always go in or a cracking strike at goal doesn't always hit the back of the net. It's ok to admit you're wrong you know sometimes, not everybody can be right all of the time. James McClean has worked his bollocks off for us since O'Neill came in and has been instrumental in our upturn in results, to suggest anything else is borne out of the fact that you don't like him as a footballer. If you live in the contrary world that binary bayern does you're never wrong.
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Post by meltonjohn on Jan 18, 2020 19:06:18 GMT
Don't waste your time mate bayern clearly has an agenda I hid his posts yonks ago they were all shit I question whether he is actually a stoke fan. I'm no fan of jm I don't like his stance on the poppy but I will judge him on his football and since he stopped playing lb he has been a different player. The not a Stoke fan bullocks. Thank fuck you hid my posts with shite like that. A corner than goes to an opposition player is a bad corner. A corner which causes panic in the defence resulting in a goal for the attacking team is an excellent corner actually..... Glad most Stoke fans are judging McLean on his performances and commitment and not political bias Vis Unita Fortior!
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Jan 18, 2020 19:17:20 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:17:20 GMT
The not a Stoke fan bullocks. Thank fuck you hid my posts with shite like that. A corner than goes to an opposition player is a bad corner. A corner which causes panic in the defence resulting in a goal for the attacking team is an excellent corner actually..... Glad most Stoke fans are judging McLean on his performances and commitment and not political bias Vis Unita Fortior! I couldn’t give a shit about his politics. He should be up for a dropping after his most recent performances.
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Jan 18, 2020 19:19:24 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:19:24 GMT
The not a Stoke fan bullocks. Thank fuck you hid my posts with shite like that. A corner than goes to an opposition player is a bad corner. That's a too simplistic way of looking at it. You are wrong, because a good ball, great pass or good corner can all happen without it's intended target being found due to other circumstances that can happen during a football match. Just like a great free kick doesn't always go in or a cracking strike at goal doesn't always hit the back of the net. It's ok to admit you're wrong you know sometimes, not everybody can be right all of the time. James McClean has worked his bollocks off for us since O'Neill came in and has been instrumental in our upturn in results, to suggest anything else is borne out of the fact that you don't like him as a footballer. Re your last paragraph, I actually haven’t suggested otherwise. Just that he’s been crap in our last 3 games and should be close to being dropped. Which he should.
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Jan 18, 2020 19:35:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 19:35:22 GMT
That's a too simplistic way of looking at it. You are wrong, because a good ball, great pass or good corner can all happen without it's intended target being found due to other circumstances that can happen during a football match. Just like a great free kick doesn't always go in or a cracking strike at goal doesn't always hit the back of the net. It's ok to admit you're wrong you know sometimes, not everybody can be right all of the time. James McClean has worked his bollocks off for us since O'Neill came in and has been instrumental in our upturn in results, to suggest anything else is borne out of the fact that you don't like him as a footballer. Re your last paragraph, I actually haven’t suggested otherwise. Just that he’s been crap in our last 3 games and should be close to being dropped. Which he should. Who would you play out on the left in his place then?
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Jan 18, 2020 19:46:58 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:46:58 GMT
Re your last paragraph, I actually haven’t suggested otherwise. Just that he’s been crap in our last 3 games and should be close to being dropped. Which he should. Who would you play out on the left in his place then? Verlinden. He looked sharp when he came on in the last game. And got into better areas than any other of our attackers did all game. And he’s someone who will be on the same page as Powell which something McClean struggles with (he’s not the only one). Although I can see why you’d want McClean in against his old club though.
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Jan 18, 2020 21:49:13 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 18, 2020 21:49:13 GMT
😂😂😂 at that stage he was playing with one leg and had literally run himself into the ground....as well as us back into the game. He won a corner he had no right to. Limped over to take it and put it in exactly the right area to cause Wednesday problems. But yeah it was a shit corner. I know but you were on about the corner itself and it was a poor one! It should have been cleared with ease but thankfully that useless bastard they had at the back headed it perfectly to Vokes. Which tbf to McClean is better than getting it on Shawcross’ or Batth’s head as it could have gone anywhere then! You do realise that players move don’t you? In the second that it takes for the ball to travel from the corner flag to the goal? He put the ball pretty much exactly where any decent attacking header of the ball would want to attack it.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 18, 2020 22:42:47 GMT
Bayern in another intractable Saturday night argument shocker 🤣
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 18, 2020 23:03:59 GMT
The not a Stoke fan bullocks. Thank fuck you hid my posts with shite like that. A corner than goes to an opposition player is a bad corner. That's a too simplistic way of looking at it. You are wrong, because a good ball, great pass or good corner can all happen without it's intended target being found due to other circumstances that can happen during a football match. Just like a great free kick doesn't always go in or a cracking strike at goal doesn't always hit the back of the net. It's ok to admit you're wrong you know sometimes, not everybody can be right all of the time. James McClean has worked his bollocks off for us since O'Neill came in and has been instrumental in our upturn in results, to suggest anything else is borne out of the fact that you don't like him as a footballer. To be fair, i totally agree (as most do) that McClean has been far better under O'Neill buttttttt......bayern is right about McClean's corners being shite in general. They just are, and what's more worrying is that him taking them implies that he's the best we have at them. Work rate and desire have increased massively and fair play to him for that, but he 100% still needs plenty of work in training when it comes to his delivery (as do all of the squad to be honest). He's improved and i'm glad to see it and he does deserve credit for that, but let's not pretend he's suddenly pissing gold and shitting rainbows with everything he does all over the pitch. It is allowed to say he's shit at taking corners, because he just is generally.
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Jan 18, 2020 23:21:12 GMT
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Post by meltonjohn on Jan 18, 2020 23:21:12 GMT
A corner which causes panic in the defence resulting in a goal for the attacking team is an excellent corner actually..... Glad most Stoke fans are judging McLean on his performances and commitment and not political bias Vis Unita Fortior! I couldn’t give a shit about his politics. He should be up for a dropping after his most recent performances. Doh! He was excellent in the 5-2 win at Huddersfield as many agreed.....
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Jan 19, 2020 10:34:03 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2020 10:34:03 GMT
I know but you were on about the corner itself and it was a poor one! It should have been cleared with ease but thankfully that useless bastard they had at the back headed it perfectly to Vokes. Which tbf to McClean is better than getting it on Shawcross’ or Batth’s head as it could have gone anywhere then! You do realise that players move don’t you? In the second that it takes for the ball to travel from the corner flag to the goal? He put the ball pretty much exactly where any decent attacking header of the ball would want to attack it. He failed to reach a Stoke player like most corners and crosses he sends in.
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Jimmy.
Jan 19, 2020 10:34:38 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2020 10:34:38 GMT
I couldn’t give a shit about his politics. He should be up for a dropping after his most recent performances. Doh! He was excellent in the 5-2 win at Huddersfield as many agreed..... No he wasn’t.
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Jan 19, 2020 10:43:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 10:43:22 GMT
I'm backing him as much as anyone on here especially given his form since MON came in, but can also see that his corners are generally atrocious. We should stick 4 players on the front post. His most dangerous play is on the attack when he whips the low ball in with retreating defenders. This obviously doesn't work on corners.
Either needs to improve on this, or we find a new corner taker.
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Jimmy.
Jan 19, 2020 11:00:44 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jan 19, 2020 11:00:44 GMT
His uptick in form has attracted the attention of the other teams who are closing him down quicker. This should shift their defense to our left, creating more space on the right. However, we don’t have anyone to exploit it.
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Jan 19, 2020 11:03:19 GMT
Post by kustokie on Jan 19, 2020 11:03:19 GMT
I'm backing him as much as anyone on here especially given his form since MON came in, but can also see that his corners are generally atrocious. We should stick 4 players on the front post. His most dangerous play is on the attack when he whips the low ball in with retreating defenders. This obviously doesn't work on corners. Either needs to improve on this, or we find a new corner taker. What? I must be watching different games. He put in same great crosses and corners against Millwall, especially in swingers from the right that nobody got on the end of. And in case you were wondering, I was there.
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