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Jan 15, 2020 7:34:49 GMT
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Post by RAF on Jan 15, 2020 7:34:49 GMT
I don't think either had a choice did they? I might be wrong but I believe the rules only changed about ten years or so ago to allow those born in N.I. to play for the Republic. I'm not going to get into the middle of your James McClean conversation, but players from NI have always been allowed to play for the ROI, it has only been within the last 20 years that players started switching, and alot of that was down to the Jack Charlton effect, up until the 1988 Euros and then the 1990 World Cup NI were the superior team on the island and the ROI weren't thought of as a football country, after that kids in NI from an Irish background started watching their games as they had a decent team and some started supporting them and then grew up wanting to play for them, this combined with an aggresive recruitment policy from the FAI is what led to a significant number of young players switching, however in this last 3-4 years it has slowed right down to no more than 2 or 3 who have switched. As for James McClean and Marc Wilson, you couldn't find two more different situations, Marc Wilson made it clear from he was a kid that he had no interest in playing for NI at any level and no one connected to NI has an issue with him as he didn't waste anyone's time or money, James McClean however played at every age level right up to u21 level before switching, he then did a couple of interviews which did him no favours, in the first he said that he didn't have a good experience playing for NI at Windsor Park, the only problem for James was he had never played at Windsor Park for NI at any level and when challenged he had to backtrack and say that he imagined he wouldn't enjoy the experience, his second interview was even worse when he publically admitted he had no intention of ever playing for NI and had used the NI setup to get noticed and didn't care what anyone thought about it. As i said at the start i will stay out of your conversation about him, but i wanted to present the facts of his switch. Very interesting. Thanks for your comments. Not that it surprises me much. H
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 15, 2020 8:39:03 GMT
He's Northern Irish, which the last time I looked was part of the UK and he's taking the UK coin. He's as entitled to the UK coin as you or I. At what point did being a legitimate UK citizen involve unilateral support for a particular political view? We're not a fascist dictatorship. Yet. I actually agree with many of his views - in particular the state sponsored murder of Northern Irish Catholics. And I'm English and take the English coin. Does that make me an hypocrite or a traitor? Or just another UK citizen with an unpopular political opinion? What part of 'it's his right to do so' did you not understand? I just happen to think his disdain for the UK establishment is well documented. If he is such a proud Northern Ireland man why doesn't he play football for them? It's political no doubt. Now it's amazing how many people state there is no room for politics in football unless it's of course defending the views of one of our footballers who thinks it's ok quoting Bobby Sands. Do I think you are a traitor? Why the fuck would you care? You quite clearly don't respect my opinion but expect me to respect McCleans and your own. H His disdain for the the UK establishment is well documented - and understandable given what the UK establishment has done to members of the Northern Ireland catholic community is part of. His decision to play for Ireland rather than Northern Ireland is no doubt political and one of identity - he's a republican and supports a united Ireland and probably thinks Northern Ireland shouldn't exist. He's got a right to that view. But we've had plenty Irishmen playing for Stoke "taking the English coin" and no-one has batted an eyelid so why should he suffer sectarian abuse from the crowd for being proud of his chosen national identity? I don't care whether you think I'm a traitor or not - no doubt some people do because I believe, like McClean, in a united Ireland and that it's an historical inevitability. I respect your right to have an opinion - I just do not agree with it and I don't expect you to agree with me or McClean. However, like McClean, you and I should expect to be allowed to express an opinion and not expect to have to put up with dogs abuse in our place of work because of our political, religious, national affiliations.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2020 8:54:21 GMT
Why are we going over and over the same shit about McClean ?. Don't we think its getting a bit boring.
And has for the previous post (I'm not going to get into the middle of your James McClean conversation) you then went and got involved and brought up or the old shit about who he wanted play for lol.
I dont give a monkeys what national team he played for, he is a Stoke player that gives his all.
Also can we give up on the IRA crap its been done to death.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 15, 2020 9:25:17 GMT
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 15, 2020 9:33:17 GMT
Really is starting to become quite a happy camp. Keep it up!
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Post by RAF on Jan 15, 2020 10:27:32 GMT
Why are we going over and over the same shit about McClean ?. Don't we think its getting a bit boring. And has for the previous post (I'm not going to get into the middle of your James McClean conversation) you then went and got involved and brought up or the old shit about who he wanted play for lol. I dont give a monkeys what national team he played for, he is a Stoke player that gives his all. Also can we give up on the IRA crap its been done to death. Just ignore the thread then. Simple. H
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Jan 15, 2020 11:59:37 GMT
Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2020 11:59:37 GMT
Why are we going over and over the same shit about McClean ?. Don't we think its getting a bit boring. And has for the previous post (I'm not going to get into the middle of your James McClean conversation) you then went and got involved and brought up or the old shit about who he wanted play for lol. I dont give a monkeys what national team he played for, he is a Stoke player that gives his all. Also can we give up on the IRA crap its been done to death. Just ignore the thread then. Simple. H i read it on the off chance something positive has been posted,but certain posters just want to post political shit and slag off our players for nothing that concerns them.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 15, 2020 12:16:25 GMT
I will say one thing, I never expected in a million years that James McClean would receive the warm applause he did against Millwall when he came over to take the corner.
The fact he has received that applause is testament to the fact he genuinely runs his bollocks off and works hard, which people in the main will always respect irrespective of his politics.
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Jan 15, 2020 13:28:08 GMT
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Post by RAF on Jan 15, 2020 13:28:08 GMT
Just ignore the thread then. Simple. H i read it on the off chance something positive has been posted,but certain posters just want to post political shit and slag off our players for nothing that concerns them. I don't remember you wading in to defend Jon Walters when he was getting dogs abuse for voting Tory? H
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Jan 15, 2020 13:48:12 GMT
Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2020 13:48:12 GMT
i read it on the off chance something positive has been posted,but certain posters just want to post political shit and slag off our players for nothing that concerns them. I don't remember you wading in to defend Jon Walters when he was getting dogs abuse for voting Tory? H Dogs abuse lol come on this is completely different, if you think been a Tory is the same has what people are accusing McClean of then your living in another world. And more to the point Walters was and is a Tory so he got abuse for it so what, i have voted both in the past, i don't have to be either, it's down to what the party lie to you the most about that makes you vote for them (all liars), McClean is not a terrorist, he has some beliefs that people agree or disagree with. All i am saying is let's put the shit away it makes no odds anymore let's move on, he is playing well and giving his all, can we not just support him for that without all the shit.
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Post by RAF on Jan 15, 2020 15:17:34 GMT
I don't remember you wading in to defend Jon Walters when he was getting dogs abuse for voting Tory? H Dogs abuse lol come on this is completely different, if you think been a Tory is the same has what people are accusing McClean of then your living in another world. And more to the point Walters was and is a Tory so he got abuse for it so what, i have voted both in the past, i don't have to be either, it's down to what the party lie to you the most about that makes you vote for them (all liars), McClean is not a terrorist, he has some beliefs that people agree or disagree with. All i am saying is let's put the shit away it makes no odds anymore let's move on, he is playing well and giving his all, can we not just support him for that without all the shit. I don't think anyone has accused McClean of being a terrorist have they? Terrorist sympathiser maybe. Personally I just find him to be a fucking hypocrite. It might not make any odds to you, but it does to me. I find it disturbing that a sportsman thinks it's ok to quote a convicted terrorist. Does supporting a football team come before decency? Quite clearly in the minds of some he can say what the fuck he likes because that is 'His Right' and because he puts a shift in. H
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 15, 2020 15:48:32 GMT
Dogs abuse lol come on this is completely different, if you think been a Tory is the same has what people are accusing McClean of then your living in another world. And more to the point Walters was and is a Tory so he got abuse for it so what, i have voted both in the past, i don't have to be either, it's down to what the party lie to you the most about that makes you vote for them (all liars), McClean is not a terrorist, he has some beliefs that people agree or disagree with. All i am saying is let's put the shit away it makes no odds anymore let's move on, he is playing well and giving his all, can we not just support him for that without all the shit. I don't think anyone has accused McClean of being a terrorist have they? Terrorist sympathiser maybe. Personally I just find him to be a fucking hypocrite. It might not make any odds to you, but it does to me. I find it disturbing that a sportsman thinks it's ok to quote a convicted terrorist. Does supporting a football team come before decency? Quite clearly in the minds of some he can say what the fuck he likes because that is 'His Right' and because he puts a shift in. H Or maybe people are not as rigid as yourself, and maybe want to understand him and the upbringing and history he has been brought up in. Creggan where he was born is right on the border with Ireland and has seen violence over the years on a scale never seen on the UK mainland.The actual estate is a rough and I mean as rough as you can imagine as anywhere in England.It breeds strong and permanent views which we cannot relate to in England.
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Jan 15, 2020 15:57:43 GMT
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2020 15:57:43 GMT
Dogs abuse lol come on this is completely different, if you think been a Tory is the same has what people are accusing McClean of then your living in another world. And more to the point Walters was and is a Tory so he got abuse for it so what, i have voted both in the past, i don't have to be either, it's down to what the party lie to you the most about that makes you vote for them (all liars), McClean is not a terrorist, he has some beliefs that people agree or disagree with. All i am saying is let's put the shit away it makes no odds anymore let's move on, he is playing well and giving his all, can we not just support him for that without all the shit. I don't think anyone has accused McClean of being a terrorist have they? Terrorist sympathiser maybe. Personally I just find him to be a fucking hypocrite. It might not make any odds to you, but it does to me. I find it disturbing that a sportsman thinks it's ok to quote a convicted terrorist. Does supporting a football team come before decency? Quite clearly in the minds of some he can say what the fuck he likes because that is 'His Right' and because he puts a shift in. H Raf most people are Hypocrites at some point in there life and I do understand where your coming from and I have no issues with anyone disliking any footballer, my original post was lets put it away and concentrate on the football not the politics etc we get enough that shit in the news. I have supported McClean has a footballer not in what he believes in, thats his choice, I neither agree or disagree with it, I think the whole world is fucked with shit about this shit about that Jesus I read today that you could now get the sack for looking at people in the wrong way what has happened to us all.
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Jan 15, 2020 16:48:06 GMT
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Post by RAF on Jan 15, 2020 16:48:06 GMT
I don't think anyone has accused McClean of being a terrorist have they? Terrorist sympathiser maybe. Personally I just find him to be a fucking hypocrite. It might not make any odds to you, but it does to me. I find it disturbing that a sportsman thinks it's ok to quote a convicted terrorist. Does supporting a football team come before decency? Quite clearly in the minds of some he can say what the fuck he likes because that is 'His Right' and because he puts a shift in. H Or maybe people are not as rigid as yourself, and maybe want to understand him and the upbringing and history he has been brought up in. Creggan where he was born is right on the border with Ireland and has seen violence over the years on a scale never seen on the UK mainland.The actual estate is a rough and I mean as rough as you can imagine as anywhere in England.It breeds strong and permanent views which we cannot relate to in England. Possibly. Or maybe I understand him, his upbringing and the history only too well. H
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 15, 2020 16:56:23 GMT
Dogs abuse lol come on this is completely different, if you think been a Tory is the same has what people are accusing McClean of then your living in another world. And more to the point Walters was and is a Tory so he got abuse for it so what, i have voted both in the past, i don't have to be either, it's down to what the party lie to you the most about that makes you vote for them (all liars), McClean is not a terrorist, he has some beliefs that people agree or disagree with. All i am saying is let's put the shit away it makes no odds anymore let's move on, he is playing well and giving his all, can we not just support him for that without all the shit. I don't think anyone has accused McClean of being a terrorist have they? Terrorist sympathiser maybe. Personally I just find him to be a fucking hypocrite. It might not make any odds to you, but it does to me. I find it disturbing that a sportsman thinks it's ok to quote a convicted terrorist. Does supporting a football team come before decency? Quite clearly in the minds of some he can say what the fuck he likes because that is 'His Right' and because he puts a shift in. H Bobby Sands means different things to different people. A bit like Winston Churchill. To many Churchill was the epitome of the British Bulldog spirit and the galvanising force leading the seemingly impossible resistance of the might of Nazi Germany. To many Irish people he was one of the main reasons that the Black and Tans were sent to Ireland and given virtual free rein to butcher and pillage their way around the country. History is never black and white as you know.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 15, 2020 16:59:09 GMT
i read it on the off chance something positive has been posted,but certain posters just want to post political shit and slag off our players for nothing that concerns them. I don't remember you wading in to defend Jon Walters when he was getting dogs abuse for voting Tory? H That's a ridiculous comparison tbh. There were about a dozen or so posts concerning Walters' political persuasion. There have been posts relating to McClean's beliefs (or supposed beliefs) every single day since he has signed that at no stage have showed any remote signs of reducing. As for him being a so called 'hypocrite'....does that really warrant a post every day? Even if that is a legitimate accusation, like there are no other hypocrites in the world. People on here are obsessed and not at all interested in listening to any other side to the story, which is their right of course. It's not like they bring anything remotely new to the table.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 15, 2020 17:41:53 GMT
It's just opting for an opportunity which is available to you and which you prefer because you think it is consistent with your wider personal identity. As foxygloves said above, I think hypocrisy, which is pretending to hold views which you don't, is one thing you can't reasonably accuse him of. Quite the reverse. He makes no secret of his beliefs and it is precisely that which attracts abuse. Which is exactly what Declan Rice has done and has been castigated by McClean. He's a hypocrite in my opinion.I respect your view just politely decline to agree with you H I think there are very significant differences between the McLean/Wilson decisions and Rice's decision. First, the historical and political context of the relationship between England and ROI is very different to that between ROI and NI. Second, McLean and Wilson only played for youth/junior NI teams, and McLean turned down a call-up for the senior team. Rice played 3 times for the senior team ( luckily for him in terms of the choice he has now made only in friendlies. Had they been competitive fixtures, he wouldn't have been allowed to change to England). So I don't think it's reasonable to brand McLean as a hypocrite on that basis. That said, I don't agree with McLean's reported views on Rice's decision ( I say reported because I am always cautious about taking at face value everything which is reported about such high profile and sensitive matters in a press which is always looking for sensationalist headlines. I know from personal experience how easy it is to be mis-quoted, part-quoted or lulled into a mistake by a leading question). I tend to agree with Eni Aluko's ( who announced her retirement today) common sense and tolerant views on Rice's decision and analysis of the dilemmas facing players of mixed heritage www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/feb/14/declan-rice-england-republic-of-ireland-identityIt all reminds me of Norman Tebbit's notorious "cricket test" ( which those who are old enough may remember) which showed a complete insensitivity to such dilemmas.
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Jan 15, 2020 19:39:19 GMT
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Post by RAF on Jan 15, 2020 19:39:19 GMT
Which is exactly what Declan Rice has done and has been castigated by McClean. He's a hypocrite in my opinion.I respect your view just politely decline to agree with you H I think there are very significant differences between the McLean/Wilson decisions and Rice's decision. First, the historical and political context of the relationship between England and ROI is very different to that between ROI and NI. Second, McLean and Wilson only played for youth/junior NI teams, and McLean turned down a call-up for the senior team. Rice played 3 times for the senior team ( luckily for him in terms of the choice he has now made only in friendlies. Had they been competitive fixtures, he wouldn't have been allowed to change to England). So I don't think it's reasonable to brand McLean as a hypocrite on that basis. That said, I don't agree with McLean's reported views on Rice's decision ( I say reported because I am always cautious about taking at face value everything which is reported about such high profile and sensitive matters in a press which is always looking for sensationalist headlines. I know from personal experience how easy it is to be mis-quoted, part-quoted or lulled into a mistake by a leading question). I tend to agree with Eni Aluko's ( who announced her retirement today) common sense and tolerant views on Rice's decision and analysis of the dilemmas facing players of mixed heritage www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/feb/14/declan-rice-england-republic-of-ireland-identityIt all reminds me of Norman Tebbit's notorious "cricket test" ( which those who are old enough may remember) which showed a complete insensitivity to such dilemmas. An earlier poster has explained that the McClean and Wilson situations are very different and actually not similar at all. I again have to disagree and say imho he is indeed a hypocrite, which is his right no doubt. H
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Jan 15, 2020 21:41:59 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 15, 2020 21:41:59 GMT
I think there are very significant differences between the McLean/Wilson decisions and Rice's decision. First, the historical and political context of the relationship between England and ROI is very different to that between ROI and NI. Second, McLean and Wilson only played for youth/junior NI teams, and McLean turned down a call-up for the senior team. Rice played 3 times for the senior team ( luckily for him in terms of the choice he has now made only in friendlies. Had they been competitive fixtures, he wouldn't have been allowed to change to England). So I don't think it's reasonable to brand McLean as a hypocrite on that basis. That said, I don't agree with McLean's reported views on Rice's decision ( I say reported because I am always cautious about taking at face value everything which is reported about such high profile and sensitive matters in a press which is always looking for sensationalist headlines. I know from personal experience how easy it is to be mis-quoted, part-quoted or lulled into a mistake by a leading question). I tend to agree with Eni Aluko's ( who announced her retirement today) common sense and tolerant views on Rice's decision and analysis of the dilemmas facing players of mixed heritage www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/feb/14/declan-rice-england-republic-of-ireland-identityIt all reminds me of Norman Tebbit's notorious "cricket test" ( which those who are old enough may remember) which showed a complete insensitivity to such dilemmas. An earlier poster has explained that the McClean and Wilson situations are very different and actually not similar at all. I again have to disagree and say imho he is indeed a hypocrite, which is his right no doubt. H I think they are very similar and the earlier post wasn’t correct to say that Wilson didn’t play for NI at junior level. But that isn’t the main issue is it , which was the difference between their cases and the Rice one on which I disagree with McLean but he’s not hypocritical. But it’s no surprise that you stick to your negative assessment
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Jan 15, 2020 21:53:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:53:42 GMT
An earlier poster has explained that the McClean and Wilson situations are very different and actually not similar at all. I again have to disagree and say imho he is indeed a hypocrite, which is his right no doubt. H I think they are very similar and the earlier post wasn’t correct to say that Wilson didn’t play for NI at junior level. But that isn’t the main issue is it , which was the difference between their cases and the Rice one on which I disagree with McLean but he’s not hypocritical. But it’s no surprise that you stick to your negative assessment What ever you think of McLean; good, bad or indifferent, there is little argument that what comes out of his mouth isn't supported by his actions and vice versa. That being said, hes a footballer, not Poet Laureate so I can cut him some slack (albeit the Bobby Sands quote reached Wayne Rooney levels of dimwittedness)
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Jan 16, 2020 0:08:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2020 0:08:56 GMT
Shame he’s been woeful for the last 3 league games and should be dropped really.
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Post by RAF on Jan 16, 2020 4:11:09 GMT
An earlier poster has explained that the McClean and Wilson situations are very different and actually not similar at all. I again have to disagree and say imho he is indeed a hypocrite, which is his right no doubt. H I think they are very similar and the earlier post wasn’t correct to say that Wilson didn’t play for NI at junior level. But that isn’t the main issue is it , which was the difference between their cases and the Rice one on which I disagree with McLean but he’s not hypocritical. But it’s no surprise that you stick to your negative assessment Well I don't! Sorry for sticking to my opinion and not rolling over for you. H
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 17, 2020 21:55:52 GMT
I don't think anyone has accused McClean of being a terrorist have they? Terrorist sympathiser maybe. Personally I just find him to be a fucking hypocrite. It might not make any odds to you, but it does to me. I find it disturbing that a sportsman thinks it's ok to quote a convicted terrorist. Does supporting a football team come before decency? Quite clearly in the minds of some he can say what the fuck he likes because that is 'His Right' and because he puts a shift in. H Bobby Sands means different things to different people. A bit like Winston Churchill. To many Churchill was the epitome of the British Bulldog spirit and the galvanising force leading the seemingly impossible resistance of the might of Nazi Germany. To many Irish people he was one of the main reasons that the Black and Tans were sent to Ireland and given virtual free rein to butcher and pillage their way around the country. History is never black and white as you know. Very true. And it is of course also quite possible for the same person to support and be grateful for the actions of a leader at one point in their career and deplore their actions at another - Churchill as you say being a classic case in point. As the adage says, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Our interpretations of people and events is so often determined by our pre-existing views, unless we take care to guard against this. It's what psychologists call confirmation bias. Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for terrorist sabotage for nearly 3 decades but was later President of his country and awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. McLean is condemned in the thread for regarding Martin McGuiness as a hero. It is true that in his younger years McGuiness was an IRA commander. But he was later an architect of the Good Friday agreement, which has brought decades of near peace, and he and Ian Paisley, as staunch a loyalist as you will ever find, worked together as First Minister and Deputy, and even became known as the chuckle brothers. If Paisley can do that I think some Stoke City fans could take a more balanced view. I think it is not unreasonable to regard both Paisley and McGuiness as 'heros' for being able to do that, given their past. You are also right about Bobby Sands. He was indeed convicted of serious offences. But, extraordinarily, he was also elected to Parliament from his prison cell, which tells us something important about how he was regarded by his own community. Terrorist in the eyes of some. Martyr in the fight against discrimination and oppression of catholics in NI, and for a united Ireland, who gave up his life at a young age for a just cause, in the eyes of others. Both assessments can be supported by evidence. I think nearly all of us would abhor violence and murder, whether committed by the IRA, loyalist paramilitaries, or the British Army on bloody Sunday in McLean's home town. But exactly as you say, these complex and long-standing political issues, and the actions of the people involved in them, are very rarely black and white.
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Jan 17, 2020 23:18:52 GMT
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Post by meltonjohn on Jan 17, 2020 23:18:52 GMT
Shame he’s been woeful for the last 3 league games and should be dropped really. Arguably man of the match v Huddersfield. Some people’s bias affects their memory......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 6:09:19 GMT
I'm surprised Rowett hasn't come in for him, after all, he wanted him at Derby, was his number one target all summer when he was here, so clearly likes him.
With his age, I'm guessing 2-3 million would take him there.
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Post by Godo on Jan 18, 2020 8:27:03 GMT
I know that the IRA still exist and are embedded into the fabric of Ireland but the Northern Irish Assembly was formed in 1998 and The "Troubles" are at least on hold (pending Johnson doing something to ignite them!) so the constant barrage of "Fuck the IRA" songs sounds like something that should be historically redundant. Alternately we may as well sing "Fuck the Jacobite rebels" to every proud Scotsman! We all contextualise history by our political views so when I think of Churchill (to use a name mentioned earlier in this thread) I think of Tonypandy and his reaction there to determine my view of the person he was. Jon Walter's being a Tory did disappoint me but for some reason a lot of Evertonians, regardless of social/economic background, do ( working class people not voting in their own interests does happen after all, ask the people in Stoke North and Central who've just pissed on 84 years of history). Ricky Tomlinson was (falsely) imprisoned for his Trade Union activities but he still originally voted Tory as a young man because that's what his Evertonian family did. Denis Smith was the player I grew up as a little kid loving the most as he was the bravest player I've ever seen but when he came out and said he was an admirer of Thatcher that affected my view of him as a person. However I could still only be grateful for the hardworking and committed ethic that he, like McClean and Walters, always demonstrated on the pitch. They are footballers and ordinary people not philosophers ( in fact I would imagine that most English footballers are air heads who vote Tory, if they can even be arsed to vote, because their business manager tells them its better for their tax situation). So, as long as they are not doing immoral stuff like sleeping with underage girls or being total twats in their behaviour we should just measure them by what they contribute on the pitch.
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 18, 2020 8:31:06 GMT
I'm surprised Rowett hasn't come in for him, after all, he wanted him at Derby, was his number one target all summer when he was here, so clearly likes him. With his age, I'm guessing 2-3 million would take him there. The Millwall fans wouldn't allow him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 8:47:01 GMT
I'm surprised Rowett hasn't come in for him, after all, he wanted him at Derby, was his number one target all summer when he was here, so clearly likes him. With his age, I'm guessing 2-3 million would take him there. I don't think we'd sell him, key player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 8:51:15 GMT
Shame he’s been woeful for the last 3 league games and should be dropped really. Arguably man of the match v Huddersfield. Some people’s bias affects their memory...... He was crap against Huddersfield.
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Post by lordb on Jan 18, 2020 8:52:52 GMT
Arguably man of the match v Huddersfield. Some people’s bias affects their memory...... He was crap against Huddersfield. Away? He had a good game,they all did Home? He had a bad game, they all did
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