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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 10:25:37 GMT
I’ve got to be honest I didn’t realise he played against Forest 😂 He was probably overshadowed by the emergence of Tymon as a world class winger... That's been news for two years though..... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 10:53:46 GMT
He was probably overshadowed by the emergence of Tymon as a world class winger... That's been news for two years though..... Nobody was listening. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 10:56:27 GMT
That's been news for two years though..... Nobody was listening. And what a waste of time that's been for the lad! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 11:00:36 GMT
And what a waste of time that's been for the lad! Until he can move McClean over, there's going to be more of it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 11:11:38 GMT
And what a waste of time that's been for the lad! Until he can move McClean over, there's going to be more of it. In reality that shouldn't be too hard, he's better at crossing and finishing already. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 12:23:54 GMT
Until he can move McClean over, there's going to be more of it. In reality that shouldn't be too hard, he's better at crossing and finishing already. He is, but McClean's number one fan is Michael O'Neill. |
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Post by simonh3709 on Aug 22, 2020 12:58:14 GMT
The guy has talent and skill. Perhaps his attitude can be sorted by John Obi (his ex international captain and team Nigeria legend). That is one of his stated aims...
In a performing and driving team it should be more enjoyable for all.
With the squad of 25 it will be an interesting whittling process...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2020 22:16:27 GMT
The guy has talent and skill. Perhaps his attitude can be sorted by John Obi (his ex international captain and team Nigeria legend). That is one of his stated aims... In a performing and driving team it should be more enjoyable for all. With the squad of 25 it will be an interesting whittling process... Is his attitude bad? |
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Post by Bagwash on Aug 23, 2020 0:13:03 GMT
After todays performance,although I appreciate it was only a friendly,can we afford not to give him a go?
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Post by simonh3709 on Aug 23, 2020 5:28:08 GMT
The guy has talent and skill. Perhaps his attitude can be sorted by John Obi (his ex international captain and team Nigeria legend). That is one of his stated aims... In a performing and driving team it should be more enjoyable for all. With the squad of 25 it will be an interesting whittling process... Is his attitude bad? Perhaps focused would be more of my thoughts? I would expect a degree of commitment to the employer when such renumeration and support is given? If He wants his career to flourish he needs a successful run in a team in the light of publicity. Even if he has an aim to leave he needs to show consistency and impact for a club. I think there is a potential win:win here for both club and player. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2020 8:38:22 GMT
Perhaps focused would be more of my thoughts? I would expect a degree of commitment to the employer when such renumeration and support is given? If He wants his career to flourish he needs a successful run in a team in the light of publicity. Even if he has an aim to leave he needs to show consistency and impact for a club. I think there is a potential win:win here for both club and player. But isn't that football? Who's loyal in football? Fans and that's it and that's why I don't have any loyalties when it comes to players tbh. He's trying to look after himself and tbh when he's played for us he's been fully commited imo. He clearly wanted a move away to a higher level and got it and it didn't work so now yeah he does need to either get himself a move or commit to us and flourish with us. I don't think it's a bad attitude though and can see why he has it. I can also see why it would piss fans off. But at the end of the day for me, that's football, he's trying to look after his best interests. It'll be interesting to see if he does come back here even if it means a move in a week or something, he should when he can. |
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 23, 2020 9:13:17 GMT
After todays performance,although I appreciate it was only a friendly,can we afford not to give him a go? If MON plays the correct players in the correct system we'll be fine |
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Post by baystokie on Aug 23, 2020 9:29:32 GMT
Perhaps focused would be more of my thoughts? I would expect a degree of commitment to the employer when such renumeration and support is given? If He wants his career to flourish he needs a successful run in a team in the light of publicity. Even if he has an aim to leave he needs to show consistency and impact for a club. I think there is a potential win:win here for both club and player. But isn't that football? Who's loyal in football? Fans and that's it and that's why I don't have any loyalties when it comes to players tbh. He's trying to look after himself and tbh when he's played for us he's been fully commited imo. He clearly wanted a move away to a higher level and got it and it didn't work so now yeah he does need to either get himself a move or commit to us and flourish with us. I don't think it's a bad attitude though and can see why he has it. I can also see why it would piss fans off. But at the end of the day for me, that's football, he's trying to look after his best interests. It'll be interesting to see if he does come back here even if it means a move in a week or something, he should when he can. Fans loyal? That strikes a new high in fantasy. Fans are loyal to a winning team maybe. Why aren't Stoke getting the same attendances they got in the Prem? The football quality (esp opposition) is not the same but surely 'loyalty' means you would turn up as your loyalty is to the club. through thick and thin (even through thin and thinner)? You state you have no loyalty to players so why should they be loyal to you and your club? Players should be honest and justify their pay but 'loyal' - they get shunted in and out of clubs as the manager/club wishes so we can hardly moan if the shoe is sometimes on the other foot. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 9:44:04 GMT
After todays performance,although I appreciate it was only a friendly,can we afford not to give him a go? We can, but that doesn't mean we should, or should not, whichever you prefer. One player is not going to change the essentially laidback attitude that most/all our players perfom with, except on those extremely rare occasions when the manager has bullied some sense into them. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2020 9:56:05 GMT
But isn't that football? Who's loyal in football? Fans and that's it and that's why I don't have any loyalties when it comes to players tbh. He's trying to look after himself and tbh when he's played for us he's been fully commited imo. He clearly wanted a move away to a higher level and got it and it didn't work so now yeah he does need to either get himself a move or commit to us and flourish with us. I don't think it's a bad attitude though and can see why he has it. I can also see why it would piss fans off. But at the end of the day for me, that's football, he's trying to look after his best interests. It'll be interesting to see if he does come back here even if it means a move in a week or something, he should when he can. Fans loyal? That strikes a new high in fantasy. Fans are loyal to a winning team maybe. Why aren't Stoke getting the same attendances they got in the Prem? The football quality (esp opposition) is not the same but surely 'loyalty' means you would turn up as your loyalty is to the club. through thick and thin (even through thin and thinner)? You state you have no loyalty to players so why should they be loyal to you and your club? Players should be honest and justify their pay but 'loyal' - they get shunted in and out of clubs as the manager/club wishes so we can hardly moan if the shoe is sometimes on the other foot. They still support the team even if they aren't there and I'd say that's loyal. I've never bought into the dick measuring about going games, who's the bigger fan etc because well frankly it's bollocks. If you've supported Stoke for 20 years but not gone for 10 that's still loyalty for me. I don't expect them to be loyal, I treat them as pieces of meat. That's my point. I find loyalty and football an odd construct. A one way construct and it's one that fans need to get over. |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 23, 2020 12:17:26 GMT
Fans loyal? That strikes a new high in fantasy. Fans are loyal to a winning team maybe. Why aren't Stoke getting the same attendances they got in the Prem? The football quality (esp opposition) is not the same but surely 'loyalty' means you would turn up as your loyalty is to the club. through thick and thin (even through thin and thinner)? You state you have no loyalty to players so why should they be loyal to you and your club? Players should be honest and justify their pay but 'loyal' - they get shunted in and out of clubs as the manager/club wishes so we can hardly moan if the shoe is sometimes on the other foot. They still support the team even if they aren't there and I'd say that's loyal. I've never bought into the dick measuring about going games, who's the bigger fan etc because well frankly it's bollocks. If you've supported Stoke for 20 years but not gone for 10 that's still loyalty for me. I don't expect them to be loyal, I treat them as pieces of meat. That's my point. I find loyalty and football an odd construct. A one way construct and it's one that fans need to get over. I think fans are annoyed when players don't act like fans . The most we can hope for is the players always give 100 % , always act professionally in exchange for loads of cash . You can't expect players to love the club . |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2020 12:34:11 GMT
They still support the team even if they aren't there and I'd say that's loyal. I've never bought into the dick measuring about going games, who's the bigger fan etc because well frankly it's bollocks. If you've supported Stoke for 20 years but not gone for 10 that's still loyalty for me. I don't expect them to be loyal, I treat them as pieces of meat. That's my point. I find loyalty and football an odd construct. A one way construct and it's one that fans need to get over. I think fans are annoyed when players don't act like fans . The most we can hope for is the players always give 100 % , always act professionally in exchange for loads of cash . You can't expect players to love the club . Indeed and I get why they do but I just don't think it's realistic. For the player it's a job and of course you will form a bond if you like it at a place but if you believe a better opportunity, money and progression wise comes up, you are liable to leave pretty easily. |
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 23, 2020 12:56:07 GMT
The guy has talent and skill. Perhaps his attitude can be sorted by John Obi (his ex international captain and team Nigeria legend). That is one of his stated aims... In a performing and driving team it should be more enjoyable for all. With the squad of 25 it will be an interesting whittling process... Is his attitude bad? You would have thought Lil Pete would make time to listen to what JObi has to say? Unless his attitude is so bad he wouldn't even consider JObi? Lil Pete will need to have a proper think if 'massive' Getefe do not want to sign him up, but I suspect his Mr.10% is fanning him around. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2020 13:07:39 GMT
You would have thought Lil Pete would make time to listen to what JObi has to say? Unless his attitude is so bad he wouldn't even consider JObi? Lil Pete will need to have a proper think if 'massive' Getefe do not want to sign him up, but I suspect his Mr.10% is fanning him around. Maybe but they're in totally different parts of their career and I can see why Etebo would want to be playing top flight football now. At the minute Getafe are a much better option than us. I don't think they'll want him back though which leads to all sorts of questions. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 24, 2020 6:09:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 7:43:00 GMT
I think one might look a little more carefully into that "arrival spark" before dismissing the possibility. Before this happened Etebo's position was clear: he wants to play at a higher level in order to keep his Nigeria spot alive. That's why he went to Getafe. The club was quite unlikely to be able to buy him, but he might have attracted other buyers had the corona virus never happened, but it did, and now very few clubs are able to buy players or even pay wages above union level. So if Stoke can't sell or loan out Etebo that position changes, whether he likes it or not, whether we like it or not. Mikel is a national hero in Nigeria, a man whose word counts. I'm thinking that Mikel's presence is going to make staying at Stoke a whole lot more appealing to Etebo. And Etebo's presence is going to spur Mikel further on, to the benefit of all. It does require a rethink at the top level though. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 24, 2020 7:52:23 GMT
The thing about Etebo is he could give us the ability to play a proper 442
Clucas Mikel Allen Etebo
So It has to be worth a look but feels like decision made
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2020 8:43:18 GMT
The thing about Etebo is he could give us the ability to play a proper 442 Clucas Mikel Allen Etebo So It has to be worth a look but feels like decision made That would be an awful 4-4-2. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2020 11:27:55 GMT
I think one might look a little more carefully into that "arrival spark" before dismissing the possibility. Before this happened Etebo's position was clear: he wants to play at a higher level in order to keep his Nigeria spot alive. That's why he went to Getafe. The club was quite unlikely to be able to buy him, but he might have attracted other buyers had the corona virus never happened, but it did, and now very few clubs are able to buy players or even pay wages above union level. So if Stoke can't sell or loan out Etebo that position changes, whether he likes it or not, whether we like it or not. Mikel is a national hero in Nigeria, a man whose word counts. I'm thinking that Mikel's presence is going to make staying at Stoke a whole lot more appealing to Etebo. And Etebo's presence is going to spur Mikel further on, to the benefit of all. It does require a rethink at the top level though. Be a surprise if we can't loan him out |
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Aug 24, 2020 11:54:12 GMT
Is he training with the squad at the moment ?personally I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the first team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 12:08:12 GMT
I think one might look a little more carefully into that "arrival spark" before dismissing the possibility. Before this happened Etebo's position was clear: he wants to play at a higher level in order to keep his Nigeria spot alive. That's why he went to Getafe. The club was quite unlikely to be able to buy him, but he might have attracted other buyers had the corona virus never happened, but it did, and now very few clubs are able to buy players or even pay wages above union level. So if Stoke can't sell or loan out Etebo that position changes, whether he likes it or not, whether we like it or not. Mikel is a national hero in Nigeria, a man whose word counts. I'm thinking that Mikel's presence is going to make staying at Stoke a whole lot more appealing to Etebo. And Etebo's presence is going to spur Mikel further on, to the benefit of all. It does require a rethink at the top level though. Be a surprise if we can't loan him out If we're happy to pay all his wages and not have a loan fee there will be takers, yes. But in the current financial climate it will money and not ability that matters, so if we plan to get him off our wages and even make a penny on him, we likely won't.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 12:09:17 GMT
The thing about Etebo is he could give us the ability to play a proper 442 Clucas Mikel Allen Etebo So It has to be worth a look but feels like decision made He could, but leave out Clucas and Allen. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 12:11:28 GMT
Is he training with the squad at the moment ?personally I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the first team. Why? On what grounds? He's Etebo, not Berahino. He might still be flying or has flown in earlier today. Would be a bit harsh and counterproductive to have him report for training. |
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Aug 24, 2020 12:17:54 GMT
Is he training with the squad at the moment ?personally I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the first team. Why? On what grounds? He's Etebo, not Berahino. He might still be flying or has flown in earlier today. Would be a bit harsh and counterproductive to have him report for training. Their was obviously a problem in the dressing room MON seems to have sorted it out, why would you upset that,the team seems to be moving in the right direction now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 12:27:58 GMT
Why? On what grounds? He's Etebo, not Berahino. He might still be flying or has flown in earlier today. Would be a bit harsh and counterproductive to have him report for training. Their was obviously a problem in the dressing room MON seems to have sorted it out, why would you upset that,the team seems to be moving in the right direction now. The infamous "problem in the dressing room" statement came while Etebo was away. If Etebo had some minor grievance inside the dressing room before that - it's still just a rumour - then it's the manager's job to talk with the player and lay down the law, or make an effort to understand where a player from a different culture is coming from. Even Pulis could do that.. |
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