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Post by henry on Jan 18, 2024 20:38:28 GMT
I agree Paul....but this principle/concept of achieving a conviction beyond reasonable doubt will, in my opinion, may be difficult.Deciding the actual offence and then finding the Evidence and proof may be difficult. But obviously I agree with you, someone , some people have callously ruined thousands of lives, inflicting lifelong misery of the unmanageable sort. For instance, I wonder what offence Vennells has committed?....( I'm not in any way suggesting she is innocent!) I'd have thought BJR that at the very least there's been a conspiracy to effectively/knowingly deliberately prosecute on false evidence. How exactly that could translate into a 'formal' court prosecution case I don't know. How can such a pillar of the community be accused of anything, she's a Priest for fucks sake.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2024 20:51:38 GMT
Just listen to his answers, repeatedly saying "I don't know why" or "I can't remember" is not acceptable, is it? Surely these people now have to be put in a criminal court ... I agree Paul....but this principle/concept of achieving a conviction beyond reasonable doubt will, in my opinion, may be difficult.Deciding the actual offence and then finding the Evidence and proof may be difficult. But obviously I agree with you, someone , some people have callously ruined thousands of lives, inflicting lifelong misery of the unmanageable sort. For instance, I wonder what offence Vennells has committed?....( I'm not in any way suggesting she is innocent!) If an author took this story as his new novel to his publisher, he'd get laughed out of the room for concocting something so unbelievable! It turns out that the guy who was overseeing the appeals of the sub-postmasters was also the Chairman of the Post Office at the same time!! Why haven't we heard about this fella before? Apparently he has amassed a fortune of £200 million. The former chairman of the Post Office presided over its attempt to block an appeal by convicted postmasters while he was at the same time leading the country’s courts service. Tim Parker has been accused of a conflict of interest over his role as chairman of His Majesty Courts and Tribunal Service (HMCTS), while occupying the same position at the Post Office. Under his leadership the Post Office tried to block appeals by postmasters and mistresses against their convictions for theft and fraud as a result of the flawed Horizon computer accounting system.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 18, 2024 20:52:36 GMT
I agree Paul....but this principle/concept of achieving a conviction beyond reasonable doubt will, in my opinion, may be difficult.Deciding the actual offence and then finding the Evidence and proof may be difficult. But obviously I agree with you, someone , some people have callously ruined thousands of lives, inflicting lifelong misery of the unmanageable sort. For instance, I wonder what offence Vennells has committed?....( I'm not in any way suggesting she is innocent!) I'd have thought BJR that at the very least there's been a conspiracy to effectively/knowingly deliberately prosecute on false evidence. How exactly that could translate into a 'formal' court prosecution case I don't know. Yes there must be something Chuffed. We all know it's not right. I guess the solicitors/ barristers on both sides will be looking forward to it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2024 10:59:25 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 19, 2024 21:08:06 GMT
First Fujitsu person I've seen come across relatively human today tbf.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 19, 2024 22:16:06 GMT
First Fujitsu person I've seen come across relatively human today tbf. Admitting to the tampering with statements from Fujitsu employees, incredulous.
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 19, 2024 22:44:30 GMT
First Fujitsu person I've seen come across relatively human today tbf. I was very surprised how much humility and fault he was accepting on behalf of the company. Surely he can’t have been towing a corporate line - he was basically putting Fujitsu in the firing line. When your own current CEO is saying that Fujitsu knew about bugs in the system for several years, how the hell can those responsible at the time not face prosecution?!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 19, 2024 23:01:43 GMT
First Fujitsu person I've seen come across relatively human today tbf. Yep, we were watching it earlier and I said to the missus, what is the opposite of a hostile witness because whatever it is, this fella is doing exactly that? Kind of suspect that Tokyo has told him to be totally 100% truthful and if individuals in the company have to pay then so be it but Fujitsu itself are now going to hold their hands up.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 21, 2024 18:05:32 GMT
If any of those involved from the Post office or Fujitsu go to trial , I wonder if they will cite the " Mr Bates versus the Post office " to claim they would not get a fair trial ...if that's allowable? If someone like Mrs Vennells went to trial it seems clear that "everyone" would want and expect a conviction
To be absolutely clear ( being the EEboard) I'm not suggesting that those culpable should not be convicted, quite the opposite, I don't want them to have a way out....they will use every means possible to avoid even going to court.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 21, 2024 18:30:30 GMT
I agree Paul....but this principle/concept of achieving a conviction beyond reasonable doubt will, in my opinion, may be difficult.Deciding the actual offence and then finding the Evidence and proof may be difficult. But obviously I agree with you, someone , some people have callously ruined thousands of lives, inflicting lifelong misery of the unmanageable sort. For instance, I wonder what offence Vennells has committed?....( I'm not in any way suggesting she is innocent!) If an author took this story as his new novel to his publisher, he'd get laughed out of the room for concocting something so unbelievable! It turns out that the guy who was overseeing the appeals of the sub-postmasters was also the Chairman of the Post Office at the same time!! Why haven't we heard about this fella before? Apparently he has amassed a fortune of £200 million. The former chairman of the Post Office presided over its attempt to block an appeal by convicted postmasters while he was at the same time leading the country’s courts service. Tim Parker has been accused of a conflict of interest over his role as chairman of His Majesty Courts and Tribunal Service (HMCTS), while occupying the same position at the Post Office. Under his leadership the Post Office tried to block appeals by postmasters and mistresses against their convictions for theft and fraud as a result of the flawed Horizon computer accounting system. Tim Parker - The Prince of Darkness www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9623099/GUY-ADAMS-people-power-toppled-National-Trusts-Prince-Darkness.html
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 21, 2024 18:42:09 GMT
If an author took this story as his new novel to his publisher, he'd get laughed out of the room for concocting something so unbelievable! It turns out that the guy who was overseeing the appeals of the sub-postmasters was also the Chairman of the Post Office at the same time!! Why haven't we heard about this fella before? Apparently he has amassed a fortune of £200 million. The former chairman of the Post Office presided over its attempt to block an appeal by convicted postmasters while he was at the same time leading the country’s courts service. Tim Parker has been accused of a conflict of interest over his role as chairman of His Majesty Courts and Tribunal Service (HMCTS), while occupying the same position at the Post Office. Under his leadership the Post Office tried to block appeals by postmasters and mistresses against their convictions for theft and fraud as a result of the flawed Horizon computer accounting system. Tim Parker - The Prince of Darkness www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9623099/GUY-ADAMS-people-power-toppled-National-Trusts-Prince-Darkness.htmlWhat a thoroughly unpleasant individual. No doubt Sunak will put him in the House of Lords before the year is out ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 21, 2024 23:10:34 GMT
I really hope that some of these bastards get nailed, they deserve a taste of the medicine that they themselves dished out!
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Post by Northy on Jan 22, 2024 12:05:10 GMT
First Fujitsu person I've seen come across relatively human today tbf. he's only been there since 2019 I think, so probably wants it put right.
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Post by Northy on Jan 22, 2024 12:05:36 GMT
If an author took this story as his new novel to his publisher, he'd get laughed out of the room for concocting something so unbelievable! It turns out that the guy who was overseeing the appeals of the sub-postmasters was also the Chairman of the Post Office at the same time!! Why haven't we heard about this fella before? Apparently he has amassed a fortune of £200 million. The former chairman of the Post Office presided over its attempt to block an appeal by convicted postmasters while he was at the same time leading the country’s courts service. Tim Parker has been accused of a conflict of interest over his role as chairman of His Majesty Courts and Tribunal Service (HMCTS), while occupying the same position at the Post Office. Under his leadership the Post Office tried to block appeals by postmasters and mistresses against their convictions for theft and fraud as a result of the flawed Horizon computer accounting system. Tim Parker - The Prince of Darkness www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9623099/GUY-ADAMS-people-power-toppled-National-Trusts-Prince-Darkness.htmlWhat a piece of scum he is, I hope they can take some of his assets away and he ends up in prison.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 22, 2024 23:05:59 GMT
More excellent journalism from The Times.
Slow but surely, the chief crooks in this whole sorry affair, are being outed ...
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Post by Northy on Jan 23, 2024 9:39:33 GMT
More excellent journalism from The Times. Slow but surely, the chief crooks in this whole sorry affair, are being outed ... Like I said when this blew up a few weeks ago, the ones currently involved like that guy last week are only recently there and picking up the pieces from the mess that those involved who left years ago with big pay offs. Before this guy there were 2 more CEOs who may have known what was going on, Richard Christou and then David Courtney.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 23, 2024 10:26:47 GMT
Just going off topic for a minute what happened to Fred Goodwin (aka Fred the Shred) in the end did he get stripped of his knighthood for the RBS scandal?
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Post by potteringermany on Jan 23, 2024 10:33:38 GMT
Just going off topic for a minute what happened to Fred Goodwin (aka Fred the Shred) in the end did he get stripped of his knighthood for the RBS scandal? I heard that he had a sex change and changed his name to Liz Truss - Growth,Growth,Growth... That maybe just a rumour though!
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 23, 2024 10:35:11 GMT
Strong start.
Chap on the witness stand today admits to applying for his old job using his wife's education details 😀
Absolute bunch of shysters in the post office.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 23, 2024 19:14:28 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jan 23, 2024 19:27:59 GMT
Strong start. Chap on the witness stand today admits to applying for his old job using his wife's education details 😀 Absolute bunch of shysters in the post office. 😲 😡🤬
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 23, 2024 19:55:18 GMT
Just caught the news when I got in tonight, looks like they've been focusing on events north of the border, this is shocking, jaw dropping stuff, investigators having a monetary target to achieve from the sub postmasters and admitting to 'learning on the job'. Post Office supplying 'evidence' of wrongdoing to support them. Compiling all of this into a case format is going to be complicated.
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Post by Northy on Jan 23, 2024 20:00:14 GMT
More excellent journalism from The Times. Slow but surely, the chief crooks in this whole sorry affair, are being outed ... He's since said that he was talking about cyber attacks from outside,not from the inside
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 24, 2024 10:34:22 GMT
Another strong start. Chappy boy forced to appear under a section 21.
Beer killed me with his opening let's hope we can dig deeper now that dog walking and Carol singing are done 🤣🤣
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 24, 2024 13:09:52 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 24, 2024 15:58:28 GMT
I'd be sorely tempted to find out where that bastard lives and put a bomb under his car.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 26, 2024 3:24:59 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 26, 2024 3:59:57 GMT
A Post Office board sub-committee, codenamed "Project Sparrow", took the decision with the full knowledge of the government.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 26, 2024 4:46:52 GMT
In this case , and similar cases, it is absolutely nonsense that any evidence should be redacted at all. I can only think that should happen in exceptional circumstances at the highest level when questions of national security are at stake. If it is deemed necessary in some cases then it still should be available to specially trained investigators who are sworn to secrecy, with a custodial sentence for a breach. In this case the only reason for redaction is " We don't want you to know this bit because it might mean we will be guilty of an offence"......in other words........concealing evidence.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 26, 2024 5:59:54 GMT
They really tried to sweep everything under the carpet "withheld from parliament" just about sums the scheming tossers up.
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