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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 14, 2024 12:25:06 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 15, 2024 15:43:54 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 15, 2024 16:08:58 GMT
Disgraceful again! I hope that there is some way some of these people/ lawyers/ barristers/managers/executives can quickly and publicly be brought to account ( I'd have to say many of Huddy's Twitter links are informative and useful)
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Post by gawa on Jan 15, 2024 16:20:34 GMT
Where did the money go to in the end? Like was it in post office accounts or did it somehow end up elsewhere? Always interesting to know who financially benefited from it. Fujitsu are very much just as accountable but I feel they're getting a much easier ride especially with it being termed the post office scandal. This is their software which they developed, had another company provided software this may have never happened. Too little focus on Fujitsus role in my opinion.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 15, 2024 16:23:16 GMT
Where did the money go to in the end? Like was it in post office accounts or did it somehow end up elsewhere? Always interesting to know who financially benefited from it. Fujitsu are very much just as accountable but I feel they're getting a much easier ride especially with it being termed the post office scandal. This is their software which they developed, had another company provided software this may have never happened. Too little focus on Fujitsus role in my opinion. According to the podcast and recent programme there was a thought that the missing money was simply hidden in the profits of the organisation over the years with some creative accounting.............
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 15, 2024 17:44:02 GMT
Disgraceful again! I hope that there is some way some of these people/ lawyers/ barristers/managers/executives can quickly and publicly be brought to account ( I'd have to say many of Huddy's Twitter links are informative and useful) I have seen a lot of stuff on LinkedIn (so mostly lawyers in my network) that sizeable negligence claims could be brought against the Post Office lawyers. But it depends: I suspect the lawyers were advising them correctly and the Post Office were just ignoring them and doing their own thing, backed by their Fujitsu pals.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 15, 2024 17:48:49 GMT
Where did the money go to in the end? Like was it in post office accounts or did it somehow end up elsewhere? Always interesting to know who financially benefited from it. Fujitsu are very much just as accountable but I feel they're getting a much easier ride especially with it being termed the post office scandal. This is their software which they developed, had another company provided software this may have never happened. Too little focus on Fujitsus role in my opinion. The post office are guilty of covering up for fujitsu that’s worse imo. Because they fucking knew that it was too much of a coincidence for 1000 post offices to be stealing
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 15, 2024 18:43:24 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jan 15, 2024 21:04:45 GMT
Where did the money go to in the end? Like was it in post office accounts or did it somehow end up elsewhere? Always interesting to know who financially benefited from it. Fujitsu are very much just as accountable but I feel they're getting a much easier ride especially with it being termed the post office scandal. This is their software which they developed, had another company provided software this may have never happened. Too little focus on Fujitsus role in my opinion. They are in front of the select committee this week and also the Inquiry, probably the current people there, not sure when the historical leadership will be ? Went past your ground on Sunday on the way to belfast from Derry, and today going out to Whiteabbey, its a bit nippy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 15, 2024 23:30:40 GMT
Do you know what, I bet not a single one of these fuckers ends up doing any time ...
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2024 9:58:00 GMT
Has it now been established who nominated and who approved Paula Vennells for her CBE in 2019 knowing that she had overseen 555 convictions of subpostmasters?
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 16, 2024 11:39:48 GMT
Where did the money go to in the end? Like was it in post office accounts or did it somehow end up elsewhere? Always interesting to know who financially benefited from it. Fujitsu are very much just as accountable but I feel they're getting a much easier ride especially with it being termed the post office scandal. This is their software which they developed, had another company provided software this may have never happened. Too little focus on Fujitsus role in my opinion. They are in front of the select committee this week and also the Inquiry, probably the current people there, not sure when the historical leadership will be ? Went past your ground on Sunday on the way to belfast from Derry, and today going out to Whiteabbey, its a bit nippy. The current management have little value to contribute. They need to drag the previous management in and get them to explain and bottom out who knew what. At the very least, it seems apparent that Gareth Jenkins (Chief IT Architect) was made aware of flaws in the system by his own development manager, but he ignored them. I've come across a statement made by Michael Coombs (Horizon Programme Director at the time) in November '22. When I have some time, I'll have a proper look at it.
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 16, 2024 11:56:54 GMT
Do you know what, I bet not a single one of these fuckers ends up doing any time ... There are two elements of accountability here: (i) Awareness that there were bugs in the software (ii)Knowledge that these particular bugs were the cause of dodgy data that incriminated these people, but carried on regardless. I agree, just proving (i) will not bring about any convictions. If you know there are bugs but not aware that it would lead to false convictions, it will just obligate the PO and Fujitsu to pay out to the victims. Proving (ii) should be enough to convict, but it will rely on a forensic analysis of historical emails, minutes and to a certain degree, people throwing others under the bus when the walls start caving in.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 16, 2024 12:33:19 GMT
Only the police should be able to carry out prosecutions not the post office.
They can’t be impartial
Any organisation this applies to should have it removed
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2024 12:44:06 GMT
Only the police should be able to carry out prosecutions not the post office. They can’t be impartial Any organisation this applies to should have it removed Absolutely. Who on earth thought this was a good idea in the first place? It was inevitable that eventually something like this sort of corruption would arise. Oh, hang on ...
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 16, 2024 13:55:37 GMT
So as of today we've got an admission from the current crop in charge at Fujitsu that the system was faulty and *WAS* accessible remotely also admitting that they should share in/contribute to any compensation. This in itself won't make the injustice go away. Let the investigations begin in earnest.
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Post by Northy on Jan 16, 2024 16:58:23 GMT
I've just watched some of the select committee today, fook me that Jonathan Gullis is just a thick social media repeating whore, how is he an MP and in that position, it was embarrassing as a UK citizen watching him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 17, 2024 14:08:47 GMT
Jesus Christ, just how much worse can this thing get?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 17, 2024 19:34:26 GMT
Jesus Christ, just how much worse can this thing get? You never know what's on the Horizon Paul. On radio 4 news this morning someone said that a number of Main post offices , not sub-postoffices, had the same problems with Horizon. The main post offices are owned directly by ....the Post Office.These issues were reported to the central Post office structure. They were accepted and simply ignored....no one was prosecuted. ( Has anyone got any information on this?)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2024 1:06:29 GMT
Of course no amount of money will ever make up for their loss but there has to be a tangible figure as a realistic starting point.
Is ÂŁ2 million realistic?
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Post by Northy on Jan 18, 2024 10:33:53 GMT
Jesus Christ, just how much worse can this thing get? You never know what's on the Horizon Paul. On radio 4 news this morning someone said that a number of Main post offices , not sub-postoffices, had the same problems with Horizon. The main post offices are owned directly by ....the Post Office.These issues were reported to the central Post office structure. They were accepted and simply ignored....no one was prosecuted. ( Has anyone got any information on this?) Very interesting, hadn't thought about that at all. Is that in the inquiry?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 18, 2024 11:26:11 GMT
Pete sewell taking I don't know. I don't remember to new levels of ignorance 🤔
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Post by Veritas on Jan 18, 2024 13:11:50 GMT
Jesus Christ, just how much worse can this thing get? Time to go, time to go, time to goooooooo to Jail
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 18, 2024 13:26:47 GMT
The scale and extent of this corruption is beyond belief. If it had been happening in say Russia!, Argentina ( just picked at random) or a smaller less developed country many of us would have thought that it couldn’t really happen here. In light of this and the coronyism of recent years we need a complete rethink.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 18, 2024 18:31:57 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2024 19:07:09 GMT
Just listen to his answers, repeatedly saying "I don't know why" or "I can't remember" is not acceptable, is it?
Surely these people now have to be put in a criminal court ...
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 18, 2024 19:28:43 GMT
Just listen to his answers, repeatedly saying "I don't know why" or "I can't remember" is not acceptable, is it? Surely these people now have to be put in a criminal court ... That would involve the police would it not to first collate the evidence into the form of a prosecution. Maybe someone is sitting taking notes for just such an occasion. Nailing some of these bastards up can't come soon enough.
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 18, 2024 19:57:55 GMT
Just listen to his answers, repeatedly saying "I don't know why" or "I can't remember" is not acceptable, is it? Surely these people now have to be put in a criminal court ... That would involve the police would it not to first collate the evidence into the form of a prosecution. Maybe someone is sitting taking notes for just such an occasion. Nailing some of these bastards up can't come soon enough. That is what I hope comes from this inquiry, a capture of enough evidence that the victims’ lawyers can submit as a case for criminal prosecution. That is, if the victims want to pursue that course of action following the inquiry. I know I would - just monetary compensation wouldn’t be closure for me. When you see the unpleasantness in that email exchange today between Sewell and his member of staff, you realise what horrible people these are.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 18, 2024 20:10:47 GMT
Just listen to his answers, repeatedly saying "I don't know why" or "I can't remember" is not acceptable, is it? Surely these people now have to be put in a criminal court ... I agree Paul....but this principle/concept of achieving a conviction beyond reasonable doubt will, in my opinion, may be difficult.Deciding the actual offence and then finding the Evidence and proof may be difficult. But obviously I agree with you, someone , some people have callously ruined thousands of lives, inflicting lifelong misery of the unmanageable sort. For instance, I wonder what offence Vennells has committed?....( I'm not in any way suggesting she is innocent!)
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 18, 2024 20:20:11 GMT
Just listen to his answers, repeatedly saying "I don't know why" or "I can't remember" is not acceptable, is it? Surely these people now have to be put in a criminal court ... I agree Paul....but this principle/concept of achieving a conviction beyond reasonable doubt will, in my opinion, may be difficult.Deciding the actual offence and then finding the Evidence and proof may be difficult. But obviously I agree with you, someone , some people have callously ruined thousands of lives, inflicting lifelong misery of the unmanageable sort. For instance, I wonder what offence Vennells has committed?....( I'm not in any way suggesting she is innocent!) I'd have thought BJR that at the very least there's been a conspiracy to effectively/knowingly deliberately prosecute on false evidence. How exactly that could translate into a 'formal' court prosecution case I don't know.
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