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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 12, 2024 8:58:04 GMT
Another thing that annoys me, not central or totally significant, given the destruction of the lives of good people, is Bonuses Why do " we" accept that those people who have very well paid responsible jobs need bonuses to do the job they are paid to do? I know about targets, performance indicators etc etc but , to me, that's just another mechanism for rewarding the rich. Should a school cleaner get an extra £ 250 per week if he or she turns up every day and keeps the school clean, after all that is his / her target, performance indicator. The Amazon delivery driver? The teacher, nurse, police officer?.....bonuses for turning up and doing their jobs? I can understand the private sector asking how they had supposed to get bonuses.....in fact their incentive is more simple.....if you don't do the work, you don't get paid. I think Vennells walked away with £2m bonus....ridiculous in my opinion, even if it was above board. And the argument that bonuses are needed to attract the best is nonsense, that could apply to any job. Absolutely right. The argument for bonuses is the same as the right wing who say “taxing the rich means they won’t come here or those that are here will leave”. It is all rubbish. The problem we have is the government has not passed legislation to make it lawful to claim back bonuses when public money is involved. They need to. Then at least the bonuses could be recouped. The same should be done to legislate to make company dividends subject to clawback. That would help when fat cats like Philip Green took every penny from his businesses leaving a massive debt in the pension fund for the workers when it went bust. An absolute disgrace. But those would be pretty radical moves by government and so will never happen while we have the first past the post system.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 12, 2024 9:03:48 GMT
My point is this goes far deeper than Fuck the Tories Care to elaborate? Think he probably means post office Horizon IT scandal transcends the current government as it started as early as 1995 with its trials and Blair’s Labour signed the post office contract with Fujitsu in 1999 "overseeing" it for next 11 years.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 12, 2024 9:16:31 GMT
My point is this goes far deeper than Fuck the Tories Its an echo chamber with him. "fuck the tories" doesn't solve problems. people are so blinded by "fuck the tories" it often hides the deeper problems
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Post by salopstick on Jan 12, 2024 9:17:37 GMT
the more you read all the stories and watch the news and the program, its heartbreaking at how this level of self serving corruption has ruined lives
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Post by salopstick on Jan 12, 2024 9:19:00 GMT
i heard on the radio yesterday that program makers plan to make more of these dramas as its easier to get the stories, scandals etc widespread through good dramas than via a panaorama that gets little coverage
the more the better
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 12, 2024 9:25:23 GMT
i heard on the radio yesterday that program makers plan to make more of these dramas as its easier to get the stories, scandals etc widespread through good dramas than via a panaorama that gets little coverage the more the better As long as the dramas stick to the facts and don’t get too creative with the truth, I’m all for it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 12, 2024 9:27:29 GMT
My point is this goes far deeper than Fuck the Tories Its an echo chamber with him. "fuck the tories" doesn't solve problems. people are so blinded by "fuck the tories" it often hides the deeper problems I am fully aware it wasn't just the Tories mate and as you well know I was and still am critical of Blair's administration. I'm pretty sure though that the last 13 years has seen corruption on a scale we've never witnessed.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 12, 2024 9:32:55 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jan 12, 2024 9:36:33 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67884743Best The Post Office public relations department are working overtime. I feel absolutely no sympathy for The Post Office Ltd and those who are now looking over their shoulders. I do feel sympathy for the current subpostmasters who must be terrified at the impact this will have. You're a 'franchisee' of a company with a history of persecuting its own people and the franchise you are representing is taking an absolute battering all the the world. The British people will start to avoid using The Post Office even more so than is already occurring. If Paula Vennells is sleeping with both eyes closed right now, then i need whatever she's on.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 12, 2024 9:51:59 GMT
Its an echo chamber with him. "fuck the tories" doesn't solve problems. people are so blinded by "fuck the tories" it often hides the deeper problems I am fully aware it wasn't just the Tories mate and as you well know I was and still am critical of Blair's administration. I'm pretty sure though that the last 13 years has seen corruption on a scale we've never witnessed. maybe but give it a fucking rest there is a time and place for it All you do is post "fuck the tories" links. that is 95% of your contribution on here. most people are numb and bored to the links. Its like swiping on tinder This post office scandal is massive. its not aa story about corruption of money say PPE. its about peoples lives and is not party political. that is why it has taken off so much. squabbling about how much we can blame labour or conservatives for it distracts from the issue
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 12, 2024 10:02:03 GMT
Its an echo chamber with him. "fuck the tories" doesn't solve problems. people are so blinded by "fuck the tories" it often hides the deeper problems I am fully aware it wasn't just the Tories mate and as you well know I was and still am critical of Blair's administration. I'm pretty sure though that the last 13 years has seen corruption on a scale we've never witnessed. You may well be right about the last 13 years. However I personally believe massive levels of corruption have always been there. The only difference is in the modern age internet sleuths/ independent journos are uncovering much more than we've ever been aware of before. Look at America and how shenanigans from both Democrats and Republicans has reached dangerous levels. Only thing these scum bags can hide behind now is "disinformation" and "fake news" and creating a fuss elsewhere and shouting ooooh look at what they're up to. Its frankly embarrassing how the minions are being treated by the political elite the world over. How the fuck are so many of them worth tens of millions of pounds/dollars. Decades in public service and they are worth the kind of money only people who've started business's and worked at them for decades are worth. It stinks to high heaven yet we just keep letting em get away with it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 12, 2024 10:06:04 GMT
I am fully aware it wasn't just the Tories mate and as you well know I was and still am critical of Blair's administration. I'm pretty sure though that the last 13 years has seen corruption on a scale we've never witnessed. maybe but give it a fucking rest there is a time and place for it All you do is post "fuck the tories" links. that is 95% of your contribution on here. most people are numb and bored to the links. Its like swiping on tinder This post office scandal is massive. its not aa story about corruption of money say PPE. its about peoples lives and is not party political. that is why it has taken off so much. squabbling about how much we can blame labour or conservatives for it distracts from the issue You're the one who started the "squabble" mate not me. There is more than enough evidence proving Tory cronyism on this one, apologies if you find that upsetting.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 12, 2024 10:07:58 GMT
Is there a better actor than Toby Jones? Don't answer that, there's not. That pained expression fixed on his face in Mr Burns is classic! He took a reduced fee to play the part. "These kinds of four-part, very British, thoughtful dramas are massively at threat because distributors worry that it is less likely that they will recoup their investment than they would from an international thriller with lots of episodes," he confessed. "There is a huge possibility that shows like Mr Bates will not be made in the future." Before adding: “Not because TV commissioners don't want them, but because they can't afford them. “The financial pressures are too great."
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 12, 2024 11:00:07 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67884743Best The Post Office public relations department are working overtime. I feel absolutely no sympathy for The Post Office Ltd and those who are now looking over their shoulders. I do feel sympathy for the current subpostmasters who must be terrified at the impact this will have. You're a 'franchisee' of a company with a history of persecuting its own people and the franchise you are representing is taking an absolute battering all the the world. The British people will start to avoid using The Post Office even more so than is already occurring. If Paula Vennells is sleeping with both eyes closed right now, then i need whatever she's on. I hope Vennells is being abused and spat on in the street just like the poor sub-postmasters and mistresses were subjected to when hounded out of their communities. But whilst Vennells was conducive in the cover up, there were others before her who must have been informed off the issues and carried on regardless: David Mills: Post Office CEO from 2002 to 2006 Alan Cook: Managing Director from 2006 to 2010 Along with management at Fujitsu, they should equally be brought to task and put in front of this inquiry to establish the facts.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 12, 2024 11:17:55 GMT
What really annoys me as well.... in my opinion it is going to be very difficult to prosecute anyone who is culpable. It can only be done on specific evidence against specific laws. Because of the retrospective nature and hiding behind corporate responsibility instead of individual, it will be difficult and will take a long time. I hope I am completely wrong. It seemed much simpler when the combined efforts of the Post Office, the Government and Fujitsu went after the poor little powerless isolated sub postmasters and mistresses
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Post by Northy on Jan 12, 2024 11:26:08 GMT
Good, I hope he squirmed, but the snippets I've seen, I doubt it. She was abused because of what people hear, and weve seen in other areas what false facts can do, that's why people get frustrated by you just posting links without any comment. You posted one yesterday, from Stormzy on X, I asked you to clarify it as I couldn't find anything online but you never responded, just because you are posting on here, it's just as guilty as someone whipping people up in the street without checking the facts first.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 12, 2024 11:28:54 GMT
Good, I hope he squirmed, but the snippets I've seen, I doubt it. She was abused because of what people hear, and weve seen in other areas what false facts can do, that's why people get frustrated by you just posting links without any comment. You posted one yesterday, from Stormzy on X, I asked you to clarify it as I couldn't find anything online but you never responded, just because you are posting on here, it's just as guilty as someone whipping people up in the street without checking the facts first. With respect that's nonsense, you and everyone on here are more than capable of making up your own minds.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 12, 2024 15:36:34 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jan 12, 2024 15:50:55 GMT
The House of Lords needs a massive reform
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Post by Northy on Jan 12, 2024 15:58:15 GMT
and some floozy who Boris has thrown one up, allegedly. People like Baroness Newlove who sist in the Lords and in touch with the normal people rather than the wealthy
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 12, 2024 16:23:55 GMT
and some floozy who Boris has thrown one up, allegedly. People like Baroness Newlove who sist in the Lords and in touch with the normal people rather than the wealthy Johnson’s appointments account for 11% of members of the Lords according to that article. So wrong
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Post by franklin on Jan 12, 2024 18:41:25 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jan 12, 2024 18:43:01 GMT
I think Richard Taylor, the Post Offices direct of communications may be getting a P45 on Monday
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 12, 2024 18:54:17 GMT
I think Richard Taylor, the Post Offices direct of communications may be getting a P45 on Monday Bloody hell!. He's up there without the rowing equipment isn't he.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2024 19:09:13 GMT
I think Richard Taylor, the Post Offices direct of communications may be getting a P45 on Monday Jesus Christ, I can't tell you how angry that makes me feel, for obvious reasons. But furthermore, how can somebody who is so clearly as thick as fuck, be given such an important role? Yes, he's surely done for.
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Post by felonious on Jan 12, 2024 19:39:18 GMT
Won't be long before they're back in power......
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Post by felonious on Jan 12, 2024 19:44:53 GMT
I think Richard Taylor, the Post Offices direct of communications may be getting a P45 on Monday Frightening stuff.
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Post by franklin on Jan 12, 2024 19:50:00 GMT
Won't be long before they're back in power...... Oh no doubt it'll be fun.
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Post by felonious on Jan 12, 2024 19:54:12 GMT
Think he probably means post office Horizon IT scandal transcends the current government as it started as early as 1995 with its trials and Blair’s Labour signed the post office contract with Fujitsu in 1999 "overseeing" it for next 11 years. Right on cue who'd a thought. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show I suspect this is why Labour are not making any political capital out of this sorry mess because their fingers are all over it even the Liberal democrats have managed to muscle in on the action.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 12, 2024 19:57:42 GMT
Fujitsu need to be hung out to dry on this......
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