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Post by partickpotter on Feb 5, 2022 9:07:26 GMT
Sorry pal, it’s not reasonable. It’s a jaw droppingly stupid proposition. State pensions don’t work like that. The state pension is paid for by national insurance contributions, which come from the wages of people working today. Effectively, each working generation pays for the older generation above them. They are crucially different in that regard to private pensions. The proposition though is typical of the half baked thinking (and I’m being generous) that the SNP have put into the economics of independence. This is why they place so much emphasis on grievance and Boris bashing; because they are unable to make a credible economic case. The same as last time when they had no idea about currency. And, of course, they still have no idea about currency. And let’s not forget the lies about how important oil revenue was (Salmond lied in saying it was an upside when it was the bedrock of his plan… so where does the move from oil leave Scotland’s future economic prospects. I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer). I get how the state pension is collected and my comment was more around how they would negotiate a settlement figure as part of any divorce rather than how that would actually be delivered. ‘We’re keeping all your share of NI contributions and we will continue to have unfettered access to the nukes off the Clyde’ doesn’t seem the strongest negotiation position – even the SNP could spot a flaw in this one If we’re saying I’m paying in now to cover the current recipients and shouldn’t be expecting that my contributions can be claimed in the divorce negotiations because they’re already spent then the system is a Ponzi scheme and not a social security arrangement. Maybe Scotland could come up with a better method? The other thing for me is the sales pitch of ‘remain in the union or we bankrupt your grannies’ isn’t a great look. How would that even be delivered because the UK government already pay state pensions to folk who have moved to Spain, Australia, etc and Blair McDougall Tweeted Labour would protect, and inflationary increase, folk living outside the UK’s claiming state pension. Would a 70 year old from Kent who wants to move up to Scotland lose her state pension unless she chooses to move litlerally anywhere else in the world? Another reason that would be daft is if we voted for Independence, and pensioners had been scared about their pension, then UK would risk loads of them moving onto their balance sheet rather than remaining on Scotland’s during the transition period. There was also this from the BBC back in 2014 so why would anything change: Daily question: What does the future hold for Scotland's pensioners? - BBC News (archive.is) Both sides agree that it's very important that the elderly do not suffer in any transition, and for a lot of people nothing noticeable would change at all. The UK government have agreed that if you've been building up an entitlement to a UK pension, that will be honoured, but it might be dished out via the Scottish Pensions System rather than the UK one. Last year, £1.2m UK pensioners living overseas continued to receive their pensions through a series of bilateral and international arrangements. That's likely to be the case in an independent Scotland. Oil is at $90 a barrel and given the current geo-political climate would suggest it is going to stay there for a while. Renewables is going to be massive either for the UK and Scotland – SNP flogging the leases on the cheap is more concern to me in terms of independence than the state pension to be honest. There is no such as “keeping NI” contributions. They are spent as they come in. That is the system we have, whether we like it or not, whether we can think of a better one or not. So it’s an irrelevance in terms of negotiations. Likewise your argument about the Union bankrupting grannies is just nonsensical. Although it’s typical of the disingenuous argument the SNP come up with. You make a good point about the nuclear facilities in Scotland albeit you ignore one critical point, which is, in the event of Independence those nuclear facilities are basically a form of inward investment. Something Scotland wants to attract. Scotland should be especially careful about kicking out English inward investment particularly In defence. Let’s not forget shipbuilding only exists in Scotland thanks to MOD contracts. On energy, it’s hard to make sense of the SNP position. They, as so often on economic matters, seem to be ideologues not pragmatists. Oil is still important to the economy, so needs to be planned not ignored. As to off shore energy which is very exciting, that recent licensing deal beggars belief. An opportunity pissed away.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 5, 2022 10:06:10 GMT
Meanwhile, Nicola's latest plan to beat Covid is to spend £300,000 on sawing off the bottom bits of doors 😀
The woman's loopy.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 5, 2022 10:37:28 GMT
Meanwhile, Nicola's latest plan to beat Covid is to spend £300,000 on sawing off the bottom bits of doors 😀 The woman's loopy. It seems no one in her cabinet of all the talents figured out that the nature of a door, in that it opens and closes, allows a natural opportunity for increased air circulation by dint of being left open. I wonder if Nicola didn’t get the old joke… When is a door not a door? Oh. She also didn’t consult the fire brigade. They’d have told her that a closed door is rather important. A bampot idea.
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Post by noustie on Apr 4, 2022 12:32:09 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 4, 2022 13:26:29 GMT
Next country for Putin to invade if they get independance
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