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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 17:44:12 GMT
Could you put a comma or two in that figure please. It’s making my eyes go funny as it is. £0.45m I've changed the original Chester Almost £0.7m don’t you mean?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 17:45:07 GMT
Good old Labour stooping to criticise the government over this virus when I'm in no doubt they would have done nothing different. Keir you complete W⚓. All the Tory press are criticising the government as well......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2020 17:46:32 GMT
Good old Labour stooping to criticise the government over this virus when I'm in no doubt they would have done nothing different. Keir you complete W⚓. Utter cock rot. They don't get a free hit. They've done some stuff well and some stuff appallingly. They should be scrutinised within an inch of their lives.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 5, 2020 18:14:19 GMT
Good old Labour stooping to criticise the government over this virus when I'm in no doubt they would have done nothing different. Keir you complete W⚓. All the Tory press are criticising the government as well...... The Government has done some things well, some things poorly. It would be hard to expect otherwise. Likewise, the media getting tore in is a given. The thing is, the Welsh NHS under Labour control and the Scottish NHS under SNP control are facing the same problems as the English NHS, which is, of course, under Tory control. It suggests the problems aren’t party political but something else. When this blows over I’ve no doubt there will be a post mortem. I hope it gets to core problems because there will be several.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 18:20:34 GMT
All the Tory press are criticising the government as well...... The Government has done some things well, some things poorly. It would be hard to expect otherwise. Likewise, the media getting tore in is a given. The thing is, the Welsh NHS under Labour control and the Scottish NHS under SNP control is facing the same problems as the English NHS, which is, of course, under Tory control. It suggests the problems aren’t party political but something else. When this blows over I’ve no doubt there will be a post mortem. I hope it gets to core problems because there will be several. You always make the point about devolved governments which I accept, however you alway fail to mention that whilst health is a devolved function devolved governments are still limited to what they receive overall from Westminster.......
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 5, 2020 18:32:50 GMT
The Government has done some things well, some things poorly. It would be hard to expect otherwise. Likewise, the media getting tore in is a given. The thing is, the Welsh NHS under Labour control and the Scottish NHS under SNP control is facing the same problems as the English NHS, which is, of course, under Tory control. It suggests the problems aren’t party political but something else. When this blows over I’ve no doubt there will be a post mortem. I hope it gets to core problems because there will be several. You always make the point about devolved governments which I accept, however you alway fail to mention that whilst health is a devolved function devolved governments are still limited to what they receive overall from Westminster....... NHS spending has gone up and up under all Governments including through the austerity years. (Which has meant other areas have suffered disproportionately). Further, as a percentage of total public spending, the NHS gets more now than ever (reflected in the above statement). Of course, more could be spent on it. But the truth is, the NHS needs to be more efficient. I’m sure that will be one of the conclusions that comes out of any post mortem. Leastways I hope so.
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 5, 2020 18:34:26 GMT
All the Tory press are criticising the government as well...... The Government has done some things well, some things poorly. It would be hard to expect otherwise. Likewise, the media getting tore in is a given. The thing is, the Welsh NHS under Labour control and the Scottish NHS under SNP control are facing the same problems as the English NHS, which is, of course, under Tory control. It suggests the problems aren’t party political but something else. When this blows over I’ve no doubt there will be a post mortem. I hope it gets to core problems because there will be several. Pissing in the wind the buck stops at Boris despite Keir having the same advisors (most likely) and no way any PM would go against either of them. It's not politics its science and a national health emergency but the vultures who know fuck all keep telling us how wrong they are.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 5, 2020 18:43:15 GMT
The Government has done some things well, some things poorly. It would be hard to expect otherwise. Likewise, the media getting tore in is a given. The thing is, the Welsh NHS under Labour control and the Scottish NHS under SNP control is facing the same problems as the English NHS, which is, of course, under Tory control. It suggests the problems aren’t party political but something else. When this blows over I’ve no doubt there will be a post mortem. I hope it gets to core problems because there will be several. You always make the point about devolved governments which I accept, however you alway fail to mention that whilst health is a devolved function devolved governments are still limited to what they receive overall from Westminster....... NHS funding per head 2018/19 (£s) England 2,269 Wales 2,402 Scotland 2,396 N I 2,436
House of Commons Briefing Paper CBP0724, 17 January 2019
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 5, 2020 18:51:13 GMT
Good old Labour stooping to criticise the government over this virus when I'm in no doubt they would have done nothing different. Keir you complete W⚓. As I said in a previous post ........starmer the wizard of hind sight and trying to make political gain out of it. Fucking moron.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 18:51:38 GMT
You always make the point about devolved governments which I accept, however you alway fail to mention that whilst health is a devolved function devolved governments are still limited to what they receive overall from Westminster....... NHS spending has gone up and up under all Governments including through the austerity years. (Which has meant other areas have suffered disproportionately). Further, as a percentage of total public spending, the NHS gets more now than ever (reflected in the above statement). Of course, more could be spent on it. But the truth is, the NHS needs to be more efficient. I’m sure that will be one of the conclusions that comes out of any post mortem. Leastways I hope so. And guess what suffers? Social care and all those other areas that are completely linked to the NHS, and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out who has to handle the fall out.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 18:53:29 GMT
You always make the point about devolved governments which I accept, however you alway fail to mention that whilst health is a devolved function devolved governments are still limited to what they receive overall from Westminster....... NHS funding per head 2018/19 (£s) England 2,269 Wales 2,402 Scotland 2,396 N I 2,436
House of Commons Briefing Paper CBP0724, 17 January 2019And what’s happened to social care spending , mental health provisions etc, where the burden generally falls back on hospitals, GP surgeries and walk in centres?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 5, 2020 18:57:26 GMT
You always make the point about devolved governments which I accept, however you alway fail to mention that whilst health is a devolved function devolved governments are still limited to what they receive overall from Westminster....... NHS spending has gone up and up under all Governments including through the austerity years. (Which has meant other areas have suffered disproportionately). Further, as a percentage of total public spending, the NHS gets more now than ever (reflected in the above statement). Of course, more could be spent on it. But the truth is, the NHS needs to be more efficient. I’m sure that will be one of the conclusions that comes out of any post mortem. Leastways I hope so. Missed appointments are an indication of some of the population's attitude to the NHS. it is not respected and cherished but abused. I can't think of any other situation where an appointment is made and then ignorantly missed with no conscience. It is just as easy to cancel as it is to make the appointment. Disgraceful abuse and an insult to doctors and fellow citizens.... a charge of £50 should be made....no excuses. From the link below.... Patients urged to cancel appointments rather than just not show up. More than 15 million general practice appointments are being wasted each year because patients do not turn up and fail to warn surgeries that they will not be attending. There are around 307 million sessions scheduled with GPs, nurses, therapists and other practice staff every year and 5% – one in twenty – are missed without enough notice to invite other patients. That works out as around 15.4 million missed slots. Of these, around 7.2million are with busy family doctors, which adds up to more than 1.2 million GP hours wasted each year – the equivalent of over 600 GPs working full time for a year. Each appointment costs an average of £30, putting the total cost to the NHS at more than £216million pounds on top of the disruption for staff and fellow patients that would pay for: The annual salary of 2,325 full time GPs 224, 640 cataract operations 58,320 hip replacement operations 216,000 drug treatment courses for Alzheimer’s The annual salary of 8, 424 full time community nurses www.england.nhs.uk/2019/01/missed-gp-appointments-costing-nhs-millions/The procurement rules are ridiculous, paying above the odds. If this were a business that had to compete in the real world , and not have endless funds because it is the sacred NHS it would not last three months. The model doesn't work. Accident and emergency is abused in a daily basis. It's not for general health issues because you can't get an appointment. The staff are abused by drunks. Seen it myself many times at North Staffs whist in the Police. Much too much bureaucracy, remote from wards and patients....listen to those on the chalk face. We need to be honest about Social care....obviously it is needed but perhaps the state cannot always do everything...if we expect it to do so....we will have to pay for it. What was promised in 1945 was very little in comparison to what is possible now, in what encompasses " health care"...the world has changed....in every aspect of " health"...not only are possible treatments now fantastic , whole new areas such as mental health are now included. The population has grown by 20 million and people are living longer , giving more demands and expectations. In should not be a political football if we are serious about saying it is our national treasure.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 18:59:30 GMT
And that's before any action against racist grandpa following the EHCR report. It’s EHRC. And there won’t be any great revelations.m And your so-called concern about racism whilst supporting a genuine racist is as obvious as it is hypocritical..,.. I think an official finding that Labour was institutionally racist to jewish people will be quite some revelation as will the law suits. Hypocritical not all I can find 5 or 6 things Dianne Abbott said that could be argued are equally as racist but I have never called her a racist as I could see what she was trying to say and even had arguments with carpy over it but yeah boris is a massive racist meanwhile Emily Thornberry says live on tv she wouldnt have a muslim in a burka treat her child or teach them and all we hear is boris said muslim woman look like letterboxes whilst defending their right to wear what they want......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 19:05:43 GMT
It’s EHRC. And there won’t be any great revelations.m And your so-called concern about racism whilst supporting a genuine racist is as obvious as it is hypocritical..,.. I think an official finding that Labour was institutionally racist to jewish people will be quite some revelation as will the law suits. Hypocritical not all I can find 5 or 6 things Dianne Abbott said that could be argued are equally as racist but I have never called her a racist as I could see what she was trying to say and even had arguments with carpy over it but yeah boris is a massive racist meanwhile Emily Thornberry says live on tv she wouldnt have a muslim in a burka treat her child or teach them and all we hear is boris said muslim woman look like letterboxes whilst defending their right to wear what they want...... If you can find 5 or 6 from Abbott but only one from Boris Johnson you’ve not mastered this internet malarkey yet have you?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 19:06:54 GMT
NHS spending has gone up and up under all Governments including through the austerity years. (Which has meant other areas have suffered disproportionately). Further, as a percentage of total public spending, the NHS gets more now than ever (reflected in the above statement). Of course, more could be spent on it. But the truth is, the NHS needs to be more efficient. I’m sure that will be one of the conclusions that comes out of any post mortem. Leastways I hope so. Missed appointments are an indication of some of the population's attitude to the NHS. it is not respected and cherished but abused. I can't think of any other situation where an appointment is made and then ignorantly missed with no conscience. It is just as easy to cancel as it is to make the appointment. Disgraceful abuse and an insult to doctors and fellow citizens.... a charge of £50 should be made....no excuses. From the link below.... Patients urged to cancel appointments rather than just not show up. More than 15 million general practice appointments are being wasted each year because patients do not turn up and fail to warn surgeries that they will not be attending. There are around 307 million sessions scheduled with GPs, nurses, therapists and other practice staff every year and 5% – one in twenty – are missed without enough notice to invite other patients. That works out as around 15.4 million missed slots. Of these, around 7.2million are with busy family doctors, which adds up to more than 1.2 million GP hours wasted each year – the equivalent of over 600 GPs working full time for a year. Each appointment costs an average of £30, putting the total cost to the NHS at more than £216million pounds on top of the disruption for staff and fellow patients that would pay for: The annual salary of 2,325 full time GPs 224, 640 cataract operations 58,320 hip replacement operations 216,000 drug treatment courses for Alzheimer’s The annual salary of 8, 424 full time community nurses www.england.nhs.uk/2019/01/missed-gp-appointments-costing-nhs-millions/The procurement rules are ridiculous, paying above the odds. If this were a business that had to compete in the real world , and not have endless funds because it is the sacred NHS it would not last three months. The model doesn't work. Accident and emergency is abused in a daily basis. It's not for general health issues because you can't get an appointment. The staff are abused by drunks. Seen it myself many times at North Staffs whist in the Police. Much too much bureaucracy, remote from wards and patients....listen to those on the chalk face. We need to be honest about Social care....obviously it is needed but perhaps the state cannot always do everything...if we expect it to do so....we will have to pay for it. What was promised in 1945 was very little in comparison to what is possible now, in what encompasses " health care"...the world has changed....in every aspect of " health"...not only are possible treatments now fantastic , whole new areas such as mental health are now included. The population has grown by 20 million and people are living longer , giving more demands and expectations. In should not be a political football if we are serious about saying it is our national treasure. Social care May tried to do something snd Labour called it Alzheimers tax or something, Brown or Milliband tried something and the Tories called it the death tax, problem is a government in power for 5 years sees no benefit from telling people in 40 or 50 years time we will tax you a little bit on the sale of your house when the opposition will tell you there is no need, in some ways it would be better to take decisions on funding long term issues away from the government and they should just get told this is how much you are spending on it.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 19:08:33 GMT
I think an official finding that Labour was institutionally racist to jewish people will be quite some revelation as will the law suits. Hypocritical not all I can find 5 or 6 things Dianne Abbott said that could be argued are equally as racist but I have never called her a racist as I could see what she was trying to say and even had arguments with carpy over it but yeah boris is a massive racist meanwhile Emily Thornberry says live on tv she wouldnt have a muslim in a burka treat her child or teach them and all we hear is boris said muslim woman look like letterboxes whilst defending their right to wear what they want...... If you can find 5 or 6 from Abbott but only one from Boris Johnson you’ve not mastered this internet malarkey yet have you? Your straw man factory has gone into production overdrive there mate bought to you by someone who claims racist grandpa laying wreaths for the mastermind of an anti semitic attack is not racism.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 5, 2020 19:10:42 GMT
NHS funding per head 2018/19 (£s) England 2,269 Wales 2,402 Scotland 2,396 N I 2,436
House of Commons Briefing Paper CBP0724, 17 January 2019And what’s happened to social care spending , mental health provisions etc, where the burden generally falls back on hospitals, GP surgeries and walk in centres? In 2018/19, public spending per person in the UK as a whole was £9,584. In England, it was £9,296 (3% below the UK average). This compares with: Scotland: £11,247 (17% above the UK average) Wales: £10,656 (11% above the UK average) Northern Ireland £11,590 (21% above the UK average). Public spending by country and region
Published Friday, December 13, 2019 House of Commons LibraryIncluded in the above. Next question?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 19:13:18 GMT
If you can find 5 or 6 from Abbott but only one from Boris Johnson you’ve not mastered this internet malarkey yet have you? Your straw man factory has gone into production overdrive there mate bought to you by someone who claims racist grandpa laying wreaths for the mastermind of an anti semitic attack is not racism. I think you’re trying harder with Abbott than you are Johnson fella? Yep I’m pretty sure that’s what just happened......
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 5, 2020 19:19:01 GMT
NHS spending has gone up and up under all Governments including through the austerity years. (Which has meant other areas have suffered disproportionately). Further, as a percentage of total public spending, the NHS gets more now than ever (reflected in the above statement). Of course, more could be spent on it. But the truth is, the NHS needs to be more efficient. I’m sure that will be one of the conclusions that comes out of any post mortem. Leastways I hope so. And guess what suffers? Social care and all those other areas that are completely linked to the NHS, and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out who has to handle the fall out..... Like I said, others areas have suffered while the NHS has continued to receive more and more cash - near enough a third of public spending goes on the NHS. Even higher in Scotland so I’m led to believe.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 5, 2020 19:29:15 GMT
I think an official finding that Labour was institutionally racist to jewish people will be quite some revelation as will the law suits. Hypocritical not all I can find 5 or 6 things Dianne Abbott said that could be argued are equally as racist but I have never called her a racist as I could see what she was trying to say and even had arguments with carpy over it but yeah boris is a massive racist meanwhile Emily Thornberry says live on tv she wouldnt have a muslim in a burka treat her child or teach them and all we hear is boris said muslim woman look like letterboxes whilst defending their right to wear what they want...... If you can find 5 or 6 from Abbott but only one from Boris Johnson you’ve not mastered this internet malarkey yet have you? Sod Abbott you want to defend a real racist with a red rosette the honorable David lammy
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 5, 2020 19:32:05 GMT
You always make the point about devolved governments which I accept, however you alway fail to mention that whilst health is a devolved function devolved governments are still limited to what they receive overall from Westminster....... NHS funding per head 2018/19 (£s) England 2,269 Wales 2,402 Scotland 2,396 N I 2,436
House of Commons Briefing Paper CBP0724, 17 January 2019Well that proves one thing what a Complete shit show Labour is making of it in Wales
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 19:32:15 GMT
And what’s happened to social care spending , mental health provisions etc, where the burden generally falls back on hospitals, GP surgeries and walk in centres? In 2018/19, public spending per person in the UK as a whole was £9,584. In England, it was £9,296 (3% below the UK average). This compares with: Scotland: £11,247 (17% above the UK average) Wales: £10,656 (11% above the UK average) Northern Ireland £11,590 (21% above the UK average). Public spending by country and region
Published Friday, December 13, 2019 House of Commons LibraryIncluded in the above. Next question? Have you ever lived in the Scottish Highlands and needed chemo, and had to make a 4 hour round trip in an ambulance to get there? Have you ever tried to get a council house in rural mid-Wales, or being told there’s a 6 month wait for an appointment to see a mental health specialist in Northern Ireland because there’s so few covering such a large area. It’s pretty simple really, people live further apart in those countries, the costs of health, social care and general public services are far greater. Plus they have a greater need for housing compared to England, and provisions such as water and sewerage are public services in Scotland and Northern Ireland whilst being private in England and Wales. There’s a whole raft of reasons......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 19:37:21 GMT
And guess what suffers? Social care and all those other areas that are completely linked to the NHS, and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out who has to handle the fall out..... Like I said, others areas have suffered while the NHS has continued to receive more and more cash - near enough a third of public spending goes on the NHS. Even higher in Scotland so I’m led to believe. And like I said, there’s a knock on effect that’s as plain as the nose on your face.....
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 5, 2020 19:43:38 GMT
In 2018/19, public spending per person in the UK as a whole was £9,584. In England, it was £9,296 (3% below the UK average). This compares with: Scotland: £11,247 (17% above the UK average) Wales: £10,656 (11% above the UK average) Northern Ireland £11,590 (21% above the UK average). Public spending by country and region
Published Friday, December 13, 2019 House of Commons LibraryIncluded in the above. Next question? Have you ever lived in the Scottish Highlands and needed chemo, and had to make a 4 hour round trip in an ambulance to get there? Have you ever tried to get a council house in rural mid-Wales, or being told there’s a 6 month wait for an appointment to see a mental health specialist in Northern Ireland because there’s so few covering such a large area. It’s pretty simple really, people live further apart in those countries, the costs of health, social care and general public services are far greater. Plus they have a greater need for housing compared to England, and provisions such as water and sewerage are public services in Scotland and Northern Ireland whilst being private in England and Wales. There’s a whole raft of reasons...... Ie diolch, nos da
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 19:50:24 GMT
Have you ever lived in the Scottish Highlands and needed chemo, and had to make a 4 hour round trip in an ambulance to get there? Have you ever tried to get a council house in rural mid-Wales, or being told there’s a 6 month wait for an appointment to see a mental health specialist in Northern Ireland because there’s so few covering such a large area. It’s pretty simple really, people live further apart in those countries, the costs of health, social care and general public services are far greater. Plus they have a greater need for housing compared to England, and provisions such as water and sewerage are public services in Scotland and Northern Ireland whilst being private in England and Wales. There’s a whole raft of reasons...... Ie diolch, nos da Fy nghi amser brecwast.......
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 5, 2020 20:00:25 GMT
Fy nghi amser brecwast....... Born in Stoke but from 100 years or so back roots in N Wales. Some family still there. More to the point: Nandy, smart move or not?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 20:06:15 GMT
Your straw man factory has gone into production overdrive there mate bought to you by someone who claims racist grandpa laying wreaths for the mastermind of an anti semitic attack is not racism. I think you’re trying harder with Abbott than you are Johnson fella? Yep I’m pretty sure that’s what just happened...... Looks like the night shift has gone into your straw man factory there mate, its quite simple I quoted the fact that dear old Dianne has said 5 or 6 things people could and some people do say are racist because thats around the same number of comments that apparently makes Boris the grand wizard of the klan or something, I then draw a direct comparison between thornberrys and boris comments on the burka, now even in Thornberrys comment there is a bit of a nuance even though she is still wrong but I'm sure the screaming left would be just as understanding if boris had said the same.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 20:15:47 GMT
I think you’re trying harder with Abbott than you are Johnson fella? Yep I’m pretty sure that’s what just happened...... Looks like the night shift has gone into your straw man factory there mate, its quite simple I quoted the fact that dear old Dianne has said 5 or 6 things people could and some people do say are racist because thats around the same number of comments that apparently makes Boris the grand wizard of the klan or something, I then draw a direct comparison between thornberrys and boris comments on the burka, now even in Thornberrys comment there is a bit of a nuance even though she is still wrong but I'm sure the screaming left would be just as understanding if boris had said the same. I wonder how any of these so offended by the Burkha comment are so happy to see people at airports etc with their faces covered and in public. Does look like a letterbox to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 20:15:50 GMT
Fy nghi amser brecwast....... Born in Stoke but from 100 years or so back roots in N Wales. Some family still there. More to the point: Nandy, smart move or not? The shadow cabinet is about what I expected although I thought someone like Wes Streeting or Jess Phillips might have got in there which would have been hilarious. I have no real opinion in Nandy, I find her a bit of a political lightweight but happy to be proven wrong.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2020 20:16:47 GMT
NHS spending has gone up and up under all Governments including through the austerity years. (Which has meant other areas have suffered disproportionately). Further, as a percentage of total public spending, the NHS gets more now than ever (reflected in the above statement). Of course, more could be spent on it. But the truth is, the NHS needs to be more efficient. I’m sure that will be one of the conclusions that comes out of any post mortem. Leastways I hope so. Missed appointments are an indication of some of the population's attitude to the NHS. it is not respected and cherished but abused. I can't think of any other situation where an appointment is made and then ignorantly missed with no conscience. It is just as easy to cancel as it is to make the appointment. Disgraceful abuse and an insult to doctors and fellow citizens.... a charge of £50 should be made....no excuses. From the link below.... Patients urged to cancel appointments rather than just not show up. More than 15 million general practice appointments are being wasted each year because patients do not turn up and fail to warn surgeries that they will not be attending. There are around 307 million sessions scheduled with GPs, nurses, therapists and other practice staff every year and 5% – one in twenty – are missed without enough notice to invite other patients. That works out as around 15.4 million missed slots. Of these, around 7.2million are with busy family doctors, which adds up to more than 1.2 million GP hours wasted each year – the equivalent of over 600 GPs working full time for a year. Each appointment costs an average of £30, putting the total cost to the NHS at more than £216million pounds on top of the disruption for staff and fellow patients that would pay for: The annual salary of 2,325 full time GPs 224, 640 cataract operations 58,320 hip replacement operations 216,000 drug treatment courses for Alzheimer’s The annual salary of 8, 424 full time community nurses www.england.nhs.uk/2019/01/missed-gp-appointments-costing-nhs-millions/The procurement rules are ridiculous, paying above the odds. If this were a business that had to compete in the real world , and not have endless funds because it is the sacred NHS it would not last three months. The model doesn't work. Accident and emergency is abused in a daily basis. It's not for general health issues because you can't get an appointment. The staff are abused by drunks. Seen it myself many times at North Staffs whist in the Police. Much too much bureaucracy, remote from wards and patients....listen to those on the chalk face. We need to be honest about Social care....obviously it is needed but perhaps the state cannot always do everything...if we expect it to do so....we will have to pay for it. What was promised in 1945 was very little in comparison to what is possible now, in what encompasses " health care"...the world has changed....in every aspect of " health"...not only are possible treatments now fantastic , whole new areas such as mental health are now included. The population has grown by 20 million and people are living longer , giving more demands and expectations. In should not be a political football if we are serious about saying it is our national treasure. People turning on each other. They've worked a real number these lot haven't they.
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