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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 20:16:58 GMT
I think you’re trying harder with Abbott than you are Johnson fella? Yep I’m pretty sure that’s what just happened...... Looks like the night shift has gone into your straw man factory there mate, its quite simple I quoted the fact that dear old Dianne has said 5 or 6 things people could and some people do say are racist because thats around the same number of comments that apparently makes Boris the grand wizard of the klan or something, I then draw a direct comparison between thornberrys and boris comments on the burka, now even in Thornberrys comment there is a bit of a nuance even though she is still wrong but I'm sure the screaming left would be just as understanding if boris had said the same. I never mentioned the burka. But thanks for that......
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 5, 2020 20:17:40 GMT
Well it is definitely a decent step back towards the centre ground. There doesnt appear to be any tabloid media ammunition that comes with him a la IRA, Hamas/Hezbollah etc.. There seems to be a theme surrounding his background of private schooling and being a millionaire and how this will go down with 'red wall' voters. Can't see the issue myself as they've chucked their votes to Old Etonian Johnson so Keir should be safe there. Next GE is 5 years away do plenty of time to see what he's about but I wish him the very best of luck. 👍 Starmer was Director of the CPS when over 150 complaints came from the NSPCC about Jimmy Savile. Starmer said there wasn't enough evidence. He also stopped evidence taking in the John Worboys case because he thought he had enough evidence to keep Worboys away for a long time. People resign for that kind of bad judgement. There's also the little matter of Brexit. Don't forget he was Labour's remainer in chief. Constantly pushing for a second ref and eventually openly admitting he would vote remain. We've got all that to come back. Just you watch. He'll call for Brexit to paused within a couple of weeks. Extending tbe transition. "All options are on the table" etc. This is how uber europhiles greeted the news. Honestly Roj (and this comes from a poster who enjoys your one-eyed conservatism viewpoint) but pulling up Starmer for past failings whilst throwing your weight in full behind the racist, lying, hatchet merchant that props up the conservative party and the country is going to bounce off me like water off a ducks back. I'll do my own research and form my own opinion of him in time (not day 2) On Brexit - Great, I thought he was spot on 👍
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 20:20:35 GMT
Good old Labour stooping to criticise the government over this virus when I'm in no doubt they would have done nothing different. Keir you complete W⚓. “Roll-up, Roll-up” What will it be today Sir. Is it strong opposition your after to hold the government to account? No! Is it a government that plagiarises the oppositions manifesto? No! Well what the £@#& do you want? “It’s make he mind up time folks!”
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 5, 2020 20:21:26 GMT
Missed appointments are an indication of some of the population's attitude to the NHS. it is not respected and cherished but abused. I can't think of any other situation where an appointment is made and then ignorantly missed with no conscience. It is just as easy to cancel as it is to make the appointment. Disgraceful abuse and an insult to doctors and fellow citizens.... a charge of £50 should be made....no excuses. From the link below.... Patients urged to cancel appointments rather than just not show up. More than 15 million general practice appointments are being wasted each year because patients do not turn up and fail to warn surgeries that they will not be attending. There are around 307 million sessions scheduled with GPs, nurses, therapists and other practice staff every year and 5% – one in twenty – are missed without enough notice to invite other patients. That works out as around 15.4 million missed slots. Of these, around 7.2million are with busy family doctors, which adds up to more than 1.2 million GP hours wasted each year – the equivalent of over 600 GPs working full time for a year. Each appointment costs an average of £30, putting the total cost to the NHS at more than £216million pounds on top of the disruption for staff and fellow patients that would pay for: The annual salary of 2,325 full time GPs 224, 640 cataract operations 58,320 hip replacement operations 216,000 drug treatment courses for Alzheimer’s The annual salary of 8, 424 full time community nurses www.england.nhs.uk/2019/01/missed-gp-appointments-costing-nhs-millions/The procurement rules are ridiculous, paying above the odds. If this were a business that had to compete in the real world , and not have endless funds because it is the sacred NHS it would not last three months. The model doesn't work. Accident and emergency is abused in a daily basis. It's not for general health issues because you can't get an appointment. The staff are abused by drunks. Seen it myself many times at North Staffs whist in the Police. Much too much bureaucracy, remote from wards and patients....listen to those on the chalk face. We need to be honest about Social care....obviously it is needed but perhaps the state cannot always do everything...if we expect it to do so....we will have to pay for it. What was promised in 1945 was very little in comparison to what is possible now, in what encompasses " health care"...the world has changed....in every aspect of " health"...not only are possible treatments now fantastic , whole new areas such as mental health are now included. The population has grown by 20 million and people are living longer , giving more demands and expectations. In should not be a political football if we are serious about saying it is our national treasure. People turning on each other. They've worked a real number these lot haven't they. Ive always felt strongly about this issue, whichever government is in power. It needs addressing , the NHS is important and should not be taken for granted. Some consensus is needed.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 20:28:29 GMT
Looks like the night shift has gone into your straw man factory there mate, its quite simple I quoted the fact that dear old Dianne has said 5 or 6 things people could and some people do say are racist because thats around the same number of comments that apparently makes Boris the grand wizard of the klan or something, I then draw a direct comparison between thornberrys and boris comments on the burka, now even in Thornberrys comment there is a bit of a nuance even though she is still wrong but I'm sure the screaming left would be just as understanding if boris had said the same. I wonder how any of these so offended by the Burkha comment are so happy to see people at airports etc with their faces covered and in public. Does look like a letterbox to be fair. I do find it hard to believe that boris's comments led to a mass outbreak of people shouting letterboxes and abusing muslims higher than say the unjustified abuse they probably get after every terror incident ? I have to confess I used to shout penguins at the nuns who used to chase us off St Dominics tennis courts but I was like 10 years old and not the prime minister now I know to just never comment on anything a women wears unless prompted....
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 5, 2020 20:31:07 GMT
Good old Labour stooping to criticise the government over this virus when I'm in no doubt they would have done nothing different. Keir you complete W⚓. “Roll-up, Roll-up” What will it be today Sir. Is it strong opposition your after to hold the government to account? No! Is it a government that plagiarises the oppositions manifesto? No! Well what the £@#& do you want? “It’s make he mind up time folks!” Your normal incomprehensible waffle.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 20:33:57 GMT
“Roll-up, Roll-up” What will it be today Sir. Is it strong opposition your after to hold the government to account? No! Is it a government that plagiarises the oppositions manifesto? No! Well what the £@#& do you want? “It’s make he mind up time folks!” Your normal incomprehensible waffle. Have they asked you to go back to the force yet Frank, to help them out in these tough times...
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 5, 2020 20:35:08 GMT
Your normal incomprehensible waffle. Have they asked you to go back to the force yet Frank, to help them out in these tough times... Give it a rest you boring no mark.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 20:37:08 GMT
Have they asked you to go back to the force yet Frank, to help them out in these tough times... Give it a rest you boring no mark. I’ll take that as a no. Just as well...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 5, 2020 20:37:14 GMT
Starmer was Director of the CPS when over 150 complaints came from the NSPCC about Jimmy Savile. Starmer said there wasn't enough evidence. He also stopped evidence taking in the John Worboys case because he thought he had enough evidence to keep Worboys away for a long time. People resign for that kind of bad judgement. There's also the little matter of Brexit. Don't forget he was Labour's remainer in chief. Constantly pushing for a second ref and eventually openly admitting he would vote remain. We've got all that to come back. Just you watch. He'll call for Brexit to paused within a couple of weeks. Extending tbe transition. "All options are on the table" etc. This is how uber europhiles greeted the news. Honestly Roj (and this comes from a poster who enjoys your one-eyed conservatism viewpoint) but pulling up Starmer for past failings whilst throwing your weight in full behind the racist, lying hatchet merchant that props up the conservative party and the country is going to bounce off my like water off a ducks back. I'll do my own research and form my own opinion of him in time (not day 2) On Brexit - Great, I thought he was spot on 👍 His "spot on" policy is widely accepted by Labour themselves as THE biggest reason for Labour's general election hammering. Wow. Are you still trying to pitch the piccininies, watermelon smiles, letterbox nonsense?? I've written long posts with verifiable links about this borefest and I'm not going there again but you enjoy your own one-eyed anti Boris/Tory viewpoint which thankfully is wildly in the minority.
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 5, 2020 20:39:22 GMT
Give it a rest you boring no mark. I’ll take that as a no. Just as well... !@#$%^&& 💤
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 5, 2020 20:54:08 GMT
Honestly Roj (and this comes from a poster who enjoys your one-eyed conservatism viewpoint) but pulling up Starmer for past failings whilst throwing your weight in full behind the racist, lying hatchet merchant that props up the conservative party and the country is going to bounce off my like water off a ducks back. I'll do my own research and form my own opinion of him in time (not day 2) On Brexit - Great, I thought he was spot on 👍 His "spot on" policy is widely accepted by Labour themselves as THE biggest reason for Labour's general election hammering. Wow. Are you still trying to pitch the piccininies, watermelon smiles, letterbox nonsense?? I've written long posts with verifiable links about this borefest and I'm not going there again but you enjoy your own one-eyed anti Boris/Tory viewpoint which thankfully is wildly in the minority. Maybe it was the sole reason. My biggest issue with the Labour Party last time out was the actual Leader. Here is the deal and what we propose for future relationship - do you still want out yes or no? Made sense to me really. One thing we do agree on is it will be back on the menu once Covid-19 is finished and we can resume battle. I'll carry on pitching the watermelon smile, letterbox, piccininnies for as long as you feel past indiscretions/failings of political party leaders are appropriate? I'm not particularly anti-tory either. I'm very much a 'floating voter' but would definitely describe myself as a centrist with a slight lean towards the left. However, that being said I wouldn't solely shut myself off to never voting Tory. I actually feel they have some very sensible politicians and people who I can agree and relate to. Am I anti-Boris - absolutely. But I wish him a speedy recovery 🙏
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 10, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
Can someone who has followed Starmer's career tell me in which order of importance he would rank the following... Trans rights. Grooming gangs. The gender pay gap. Mass immigration. Knife crime. Palestine. ... The answer to that will tell you everything you'll need to know about whether he'll be a good leader who will win back voters, or whether Labour should just move onto the next leader tomorrow. Looks like me laddo's been all over this for the last 7 1/2 years. I'm sure he'll have this boxed off in no time. We failed grooming victims, law chief Keir Starmer admits - October 2012
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 11, 2020 22:34:29 GMT
Can someone who has followed Starmer's career tell me in which order of importance he would rank the following... Trans rights. Grooming gangs. The gender pay gap. Mass immigration. Knife crime. Palestine. ... The answer to that will tell you everything you'll need to know about whether he'll be a good leader who will win back voters, or whether Labour should just move onto the next leader tomorrow. Looks like me laddo's been all over this for the last 7 1/2 years. I'm sure he'll have this boxed off in no time. We failed grooming victims, law chief Keir Starmer admits - October 2012Thatcher knighted Jimmy Saville.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 22:59:01 GMT
Can someone who has followed Starmer's career tell me in which order of importance he would rank the following... Trans rights. Grooming gangs. The gender pay gap. Mass immigration. Knife crime. Palestine. ... The answer to that will tell you everything you'll need to know about whether he'll be a good leader who will win back voters, or whether Labour should just move onto the next leader tomorrow. Looks like me laddo's been all over this for the last 7 1/2 years. I'm sure he'll have this boxed off in no time. We failed grooming victims, law chief Keir Starmer admits - October 2012get a life
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 12, 2020 6:58:52 GMT
Thatcher knighted Jimmy Saville. Unfortunately Thatcher isn't In the running to be next prime minister
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 12, 2020 17:44:01 GMT
Thatcher knighted Jimmy Saville. Not knowing he was a paedo.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 12, 2020 17:59:29 GMT
I've got a life. Unlike thousands of girls in town's like Rotherham and Telford. These are Starmers own words. The justice system that he was head of failed these victims. Corbyn sacked Sarah Champion for speaking out against Labour councils. She was replaced in a piss take move with Naz Shah. Enough said. So where do you think your new Knight (of the Empire) in shining armour will be on this subject in 12 months time? 24 months time? A obvious open goal to draw some confidence from the recently built Blue Wall. Or should that read, recently demolished Red Wall? Will he be asking 'tough questions'? Will he be commissioning an inquiry into alleged instructions from Home Secretary Jacqui Smith and PM Gordon Brown which has been backed up by whistleblowers from the police and social services? Where do you see Starmer's Labour Party going with this?
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 12, 2020 18:26:48 GMT
I've got a life. Unlike thousands of girls in town's like Rotherham and Telford. These are Starmers own words. The justice system that he was head of failed these victims. Corbyn sacked Sarah Champion for speaking out against Labour councils. She was replaced in a piss take move with Naz Shah. Enough said. So where do you think your new Knight (of the Empire) in shining armour will be on this subject in 12 months time? 24 months time? A obvious open goal to draw some confidence from the recently built Blue Wall. Or should that read, recently demolished Red Wall? Will he be asking 'tough questions'? Will he be commissioning an inquiry into alleged instructions from Home Secretary Jacqui Smith and PM Gordon Brown which has been backed up by whistleblowers from the police and social services? Where do you see Starmer's Labour Party going with this? Starmer's Labour Party will do exactly the same as he did as DPP the square root of fuck all Its a can of worms they have no intention of opening And will use the threat to social cohesion as the excuse to keep the lid firmly shut
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 12, 2020 23:03:20 GMT
I like Kier Starmer he comes across very professional, but I still believe Lisa Nandy would have been the best choice at this time.
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Post by Miles Offside on May 18, 2020 11:28:15 GMT
Starmer was the best option and he'll give Labour more credibility than magic grandpa, although that's not hard to do.
But there's a big question of trust hanging over him since his anti-Brexit stance. It'll be interesting to see if he'll put any blame on the EU if talks break down and there's no deal. Unlikely, I'd guess. More like he'll revert to just blaming the government, and that'll cost him credibility and votes up north.
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Post by lordb on May 18, 2020 11:33:50 GMT
Starmer was the best option and he'll give Labour more credibility than magic grandpa, although that's not hard to do. But there's a big question of trust hanging over him since his anti-Brexit stance. It'll be interesting to see if he'll put any blame on the EU if talks break down and there's no deal. Unlikely, I'd guess. More like he'll revert to just blaming the government, and that'll cost him credibility and votes up north. You sure? Are northern voters, including ardent Brexit voters, blind to this governments increasing (& increasingly public) ineptitude?
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Post by thevoid on May 18, 2020 14:34:53 GMT
I've got a life. Unlike thousands of girls in town's like Rotherham and Telford. These are Starmers own words. The justice system that he was head of failed these victims. Corbyn sacked Sarah Champion for speaking out against Labour councils. She was replaced in a piss take move with Naz Shah. Enough said. So where do you think your new Knight (of the Empire) in shining armour will be on this subject in 12 months time? 24 months time? A obvious open goal to draw some confidence from the recently built Blue Wall. Or should that read, recently demolished Red Wall? Will he be asking 'tough questions'? Will he be commissioning an inquiry into alleged instructions from Home Secretary Jacqui Smith and PM Gordon Brown which has been backed up by whistleblowers from the police and social services? Where do you see Starmer's Labour Party going with this? Labour's response to the grooming gangs up north compared to Grenfell was...interesting to say the least. And how many virtue signalling celebs even broached the subject on Twitter? If Sarah Champion had a Palestine Twitter handle she'd have been fast tracked like there was no tomorrow. Hopefully Starmer can drag them away from this image. And although I disagree with his stance on Brexit, at least he had the gumption to stick with his beliefs on the matter.
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