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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 5, 2020 8:39:34 GMT
An extension to the transition period needs to be agreed by June 2020.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 5, 2020 8:46:37 GMT
People resign for that kind of bad judgement. Do they Wodger? Do they really Unless you're a knighted, Lefty, millionaire, ex-ooman rights lawyer from London of course then you get promoted to the top of the Labour Party.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 8:52:30 GMT
Do they Wodger? Do they really Well if they don't they fucking should It’s been a while since politicians fell on their sword: Short, Cook, Hunt...
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 8:53:49 GMT
Do they Wodger? Do they really Unless you're a knighted, Lefty, millionaire, ex-ooman rights lawyer from London of course then you get promoted to the top of the Labour Party. Boris
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 5, 2020 8:58:55 GMT
Oh, I think there's no doubt for me that we are leaving......but Starmer is a firm Remainer and close to Verhofstadt......the circumstances in December can't be predicted and it may be such that he doesn't stop trying. I actually think and hope that we will still leave , as planned, and it may be given the state of the EU , Eurozone, the best thing that we could have done. The coronavirus has certainly seen the reemergence of the nation state and I don't think that some of the countries will be as willing to follow the rules...post virus emergency and post Brexit....not a formal declaration to leave, just reasserting more autonomy. Starmer, as the architect of the People’s Vote, will certainly be asked about how he sees the future relationship with Europe. No doubt he will try and keep that as fuzzy as possible, but I suspect he will be asked specifically about Labour’s position on freedom of movement post Brexit. He might find it hard to find a position that reconciles his metropolitan supporters with the lost Labour heartlands in the Red Wall. As to the EU, you are quite correct that it could see the return of more national autonomy which Brussels won’t like. I think that you are right , he will find it hard. Perhaps easier if there is a concerted momentum to undermine Boris. Personally I think that Boris will still be given plenty of goodwill. I wonder if people have considered where we would be today had the Labour party won the election. Apparently we would be negotiating a deal and then organising a referendum...which probably would have been...Remain or Remain but pretend we've left....the virus would then have been an excuse to postpone the whole thing......in my opinion, ( although the virus is much more significant by far) politically Brexit is important, so, virus or no virus , I don't think that leavers would accept that, so politically the arguments would continue = chaos, stagnation. Possibly he will accept the inevitability of actually leaving but may come up with some previously unthought of ways to work closely with the EU whilst genuinely retaining our independence. Who knows.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 5, 2020 9:01:51 GMT
An extension to the transition period needs to be agreed by June 2020. For me , and I think our negotiating team have said this, if it is clear that the EU do not intend to negotiate in good faith, recognising our independence, there's little point in ( agreeing to ) extend. And the intention of the EU should indeed become clear by June. There used to be an argument about who holds all the cards....at least it now seems that we hold some of them. And it is always worth holding at the front of our minds that ....we have already left, out, no longer in..what we are doing is trying to negotiate a new relationship ( I realise that you know this Rog, I'm just talking in general)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2020 9:40:51 GMT
Why is a dystopian, for the few, fucked up rich mans Tory Brexit being discussed on the next Labour Leader thread?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 10:19:30 GMT
Why is a dystopian, for the few, fucked up rich mans Tory Brexit being discussed on the next Labour Leader thread? Because without Labours disastourous brexit non policy its likely racist grandpa would have only lost by 20-30 seats so could have hung on as glorious leader, Starmer was one of the main architects of this policy and if he sticks to it he wont gain back the blue wall seats.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 5, 2020 10:22:30 GMT
Why is a dystopian, for the few, fucked up rich mans Tory Brexit being discussed on the next Labour Leader thread? Because without Labours disastourous brexit non policy its likely racist grandpa would have only lost by 20-30 seats so could have hung on as glorious leader, Starmer was one of the main architects of this policy and if he sticks to it he wont gain back the blue wall seats. We could of course talk about the transsexual toilet policy
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 10:26:04 GMT
Because without Labours disastourous brexit non policy its likely racist grandpa would have only lost by 20-30 seats so could have hung on as glorious leader, Starmer was one of the main architects of this policy and if he sticks to it he wont gain back the blue wall seats. We could of course talk about the transsexual toilet policy Yes indeed or the moral dilemna the tin foilers will face if any israeli scientist plays a part in finding a cure. There will also be social distancing problems soon in villages as many of Corbyns shadow team return to their former jobs.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 5, 2020 10:56:41 GMT
Bath's being losing it for awhile now. No wonder the God botherer was all over him like a cheap suit. Actually, You’ve been so quiet of late that I thought you’d been sectioned... I'm all better now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 11:06:52 GMT
Why is a dystopian, for the few, fucked up rich mans Tory Brexit being discussed on the next Labour Leader thread? They love the drama of Brexit. There will be a slight emptiness in their lives once it’s resolved one way or another.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 5, 2020 11:13:42 GMT
Why is a dystopian, for the few, fucked up rich mans Tory Brexit being discussed on the next Labour Leader thread? They love the drama of Brexit. There will be a slight emptiness in their lives once it’s resolved one way or another..... Personally I'll be glad when it's done and dusted, shouldn't have dragged on , if Remainers had accepted democracy....just can't let go....as Clare Fox says, a peculiar emotional tie to the " EU"...not Europe, European people and countries...that can't rationally be explained.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 11:17:16 GMT
They love the drama of Brexit. There will be a slight emptiness in their lives once it’s resolved one way or another..... Personally I'll be glad when it's done and dusted, shouldn't have dragged on , if Remainers had accepted democracy....just can't let go....as Clare Fox says, a peculiar emotional tie to the " EU"...not Europe, European people and countries...that can't rationally be explained. Me too John. Me too.....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 5, 2020 11:29:50 GMT
Personally I'll be glad when it's done and dusted, shouldn't have dragged on , if Remainers had accepted democracy....just can't let go....as Clare Fox says, a peculiar emotional tie to the " EU"...not Europe, European people and countries...that can't rationally be explained. Me too John. Me too..... So where now for you PP? Obviously you can't support Starmer. For years you've been telling us that the antisemitism aimed at Corbyn and Labour was a smear campaign from the 'right wing' press but on his first day on the throne Starmer has apologised for that very same antisemitism. You can't agree with both right? Is there a Socialist Workers party branch near you?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2020 11:43:44 GMT
So where now for you PP? Obviously you can't support Starmer. For years you've been telling us that the antisemitism aimed at Corbyn and Labour was a smear campaign from the 'right wing' press but on his first day on the throne Starmer has apologised for that very same antisemitism. You can't agree with both right? Is there a Socialist Workers party branch near you? Bless, rog. Everything is very black and white for you with no context or shade!
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 5, 2020 11:46:27 GMT
Don't under estimate the intent to still scupper Brexit by whatever means are available. This will come back and the CV position used as a very convenient vehicle to champion the cause. It will be down to Boris' ability to fight on two fronts and each week, slowly but surely Brexit and a delay will be getting fed through the media channels.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 5, 2020 12:04:09 GMT
Don't under estimate the intent to still scupper Brexit by whatever means are available. This will come back and the CV position used as a very convenient vehicle to champion the cause. It will be down to Boris' ability to fight on two fronts and each week, slowly but surely Brexit and a delay will be getting fed through the media channels. I think you are absolutely correct XCH....I just think that we have got to keep focussed upon the " fact " that we have already left.....you are right though the implications of the Coronavirus could go either way......and the EU may not come out of it very well. Hopefully things may become clearer by June.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 5, 2020 12:07:40 GMT
So where now for you PP? Obviously you can't support Starmer. For years you've been telling us that the antisemitism aimed at Corbyn and Labour was a smear campaign from the 'right wing' press but on his first day on the throne Starmer has apologised for that very same antisemitism. You can't agree with both right? Is there a Socialist Workers party branch near you? Bless, rog. Everything is very black and white for you with no context or shade! Oh, this is going to be delicious. Starmer looking into a camera and saying "sorry" for the antisemitism coming out of the Labour Party is fine but Corbyn doing exactly NOT that for 4 years is also fine because....... the 'far right' press or summat. Are you now going to say that antisemitism WAS prevalent in the Labour Party but it was ramped up by smear campaigns from Zionist Labour MP's? It was all nuanced. Context and shade. Righto. I'll get the popcorn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 12:12:48 GMT
So where now for you PP? Obviously you can't support Starmer. For years you've been telling us that the antisemitism aimed at Corbyn and Labour was a smear campaign from the 'right wing' press but on his first day on the throne Starmer has apologised for that very same antisemitism. You can't agree with both right? Is there a Socialist Workers party branch near you? I neither support him nor wish ill of him. I will sit back and wait to see what unfolds, I’m merely one of the electorate like most people. And yes the large majority of antisemitism claims against Labour were compete and utter bollocks, not sure I can make that any clearer. It easy for Starmer to come out with what he has and see all the centrists and blue tickers wet their pants over what “real leadership is”, pretty meaningless as far as I’m concerned though. When you say you can’t be both though, you could ask “how can you not be a racist if you support Boris Johnson?” when the bloke is clearly a massive racist. Similar question I suppose....
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 5, 2020 12:57:25 GMT
So where now for you PP? Obviously you can't support Starmer. For years you've been telling us that the antisemitism aimed at Corbyn and Labour was a smear campaign from the 'right wing' press but on his first day on the throne Starmer has apologised for that very same antisemitism. You can't agree with both right? Is there a Socialist Workers party branch near you? And that's before any action against racist grandpa following the EHCR report.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 13:22:50 GMT
So where now for you PP? Obviously you can't support Starmer. For years you've been telling us that the antisemitism aimed at Corbyn and Labour was a smear campaign from the 'right wing' press but on his first day on the throne Starmer has apologised for that very same antisemitism. You can't agree with both right? Is there a Socialist Workers party branch near you? And that's before any action against racist grandpa following the EHCR report. It’s EHRC. And there won’t be any great revelations.m And your so-called concern about racism whilst supporting a genuine racist is as obvious as it is hypocritical..,..
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2020 13:44:48 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 5, 2020 13:45:23 GMT
So where now for you PP? Obviously you can't support Starmer. For years you've been telling us that the antisemitism aimed at Corbyn and Labour was a smear campaign from the 'right wing' press but on his first day on the throne Starmer has apologised for that very same antisemitism. You can't agree with both right? Is there a Socialist Workers party branch near you? I neither support him nor wish ill of him. I will sit back and wait to see what unfolds, I’m merely one of the electorate like most people. And yes the large majority of antisemitism claims against Labour were compete and utter bollocks, not sure I can make that any clearer. It easy for Starmer to come out with what he has and see all the centrists and blue tickers wet their pants over what “real leadership is”, pretty meaningless as far as I’m concerned though. When you say you can’t be both though, you could ask “how can you not be a racist if you support Boris Johnson?” when the bloke is clearly a massive racist. Similar question I suppose.... What’s your most massive example of BoJo’s racism? And if you mention piccaninnies or letterboxes you return to go
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 14:00:11 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 5, 2020 14:07:23 GMT
What about Keir’s work on the McLibel case...🍔🍟
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 5, 2020 14:15:10 GMT
He’s an insensitive, ignorant blowhard but there’s absolutely nothing in there to justify a claim of “massive racism”.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 14:15:22 GMT
I neither support him nor wish ill of him. I will sit back and wait to see what unfolds, I’m merely one of the electorate like most people. And yes the large majority of antisemitism claims against Labour were compete and utter bollocks, not sure I can make that any clearer. It easy for Starmer to come out with what he has and see all the centrists and blue tickers wet their pants over what “real leadership is”, pretty meaningless as far as I’m concerned though. When you say you can’t be both though, you could ask “how can you not be a racist if you support Boris Johnson?” when the bloke is clearly a massive racist. Similar question I suppose.... What’s your most massive example of BoJo’s racism? And if you mention piccaninnies or letterboxes you return to go Oh I forgot where Johnson is concerned we get to apply nuance and context to his offensive bile. He’s literally used racist tropes against black people, Muslims and Jews time after time in many of his books, articles and interviews. Try Google for now they’re all fairly easy to find, if you’re still struggling I’ll assist later when I’ve finished work........
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2020 14:16:13 GMT
I neither support him nor wish ill of him. I will sit back and wait to see what unfolds, I’m merely one of the electorate like most people. And yes the large majority of antisemitism claims against Labour were compete and utter bollocks, not sure I can make that any clearer. It easy for Starmer to come out with what he has and see all the centrists and blue tickers wet their pants over what “real leadership is”, pretty meaningless as far as I’m concerned though. When you say you can’t be both though, you could ask “how can you not be a racist if you support Boris Johnson?” when the bloke is clearly a massive racist. Similar question I suppose.... What’s your most massive example of BoJo’s racism? And if you mention piccaninnies or letterboxes you return to go www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-record-sexist-homophobic-and-racist-comments-bumboys-piccaninnies-2019-6?r=US&IR=TSexismAt the Daily Telegraph Johnson also brought his admiration for "hot totty" into the office, pinning a Pirelli calendar to his desk, which featured nude photography, despite complaints from female colleagues.
Boasting of his decision, Johnson told Telegraph readers that the calendar "caused something of a stir."
"They made women feel embarrassed, I was told," he wrote. "I'd hate to stand next to some guy and try to get my point across while May was on display," said one woman. 'Just pat her on the bottom and send her on her way' In a farewell piece in the Spectator marking his exit as editor, Johnson offered the following advice to his successor. HomophobiaIn his 2001 book "Friends, Voters, Countrymen," Johnson compared gay marriage to bestiality, writing that "If gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog."
Racism and IslamophobiaIf 'picaninnies with watermelon smiles don't float your boat how about 'Islam is the problem'Islamophobia is 'a natural reaction'He isn't fit to work in any office let alone high office. He is without the slightest doubt what my old Grandma liked to call 'a right fucking cunt'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 14:50:43 GMT
Gardener, Trickett and Lavery have been stood down. Won’t be long before the likes of Umuna, Berger and Ellman are invited back to the party and the likes of Streeting and Phillips are moved into the shadow cabinet.
The “centre ground” here they come.....
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