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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 1, 2021 9:49:00 GMT
in what way? lovely passer providing you only want 5 passes square to the fullback all game no gaols, no assists can't tackle slow would play all our midfielders including all the kids before him You've just described Mikel My first thought when I saw his name come up again was that he's basically Mikel - deep lying midfielder, pretty on the ball, slow as rust and offers zero protection to the back four.
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Feb 1, 2021 10:11:40 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2021 10:11:40 GMT
You've just described Mikel My first thought when I saw his name come up again was that he's basically Mikel - deep lying midfielder, pretty on the ball, slow as rust and offers zero protection to the back four. He's not pretty on the ball at all. He can't deal with the ball in tight spaces and he can only pass to his right.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 1, 2021 10:14:20 GMT
My first thought when I saw his name come up again was that he's basically Mikel - deep lying midfielder, pretty on the ball, slow as rust and offers zero protection to the back four. He's not pretty on the ball at all. He can't deal with the ball in tight spaces and he can only pass to his right. My biggest gripe with Woods is he always takes and extra touch to get the ball from under his feet killing any momentum we may have had with a quick pass to a team mate. Never known a player like him for doing it, it’s annoying beyond belief......
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Feb 1, 2021 10:29:20 GMT
Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 1, 2021 10:29:20 GMT
My first thought when I saw his name come up again was that he's basically Mikel - deep lying midfielder, pretty on the ball, slow as rust and offers zero protection to the back four. He's not pretty on the ball at all. He can't deal with the ball in tight spaces and he can only pass to his right. perfect analysis. he is worse than Mikel
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Feb 1, 2021 10:54:34 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 10:54:34 GMT
FFS are we still paying his wages or part of them ? no Millwall paying all of them, no loan fee though Spectacular how much did he cost us ?
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Feb 1, 2021 11:09:18 GMT
Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2021 11:09:18 GMT
no Millwall paying all of them, no loan fee though Spectacular how much did he cost us ? £6m and this one absolutely was the managers pick
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Feb 1, 2021 11:12:48 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 11:12:48 GMT
Spectacular how much did he cost us ? £6m and this one absolutely was the managers pick Perhaps Rowett could threaten the Millwall board that if they don't pay £6m for him he would chuck his toys out of the pram and walk out, I wonder if they would be as accommodating/ spineless as ours are when they caved in to his demands.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2021 15:00:26 GMT
The more I think about this one the more sick I feel.
Genuinely, it has ruined my day learning that this tosspot has another 12 months left with us.
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Feb 1, 2021 15:05:19 GMT
Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2021 15:05:19 GMT
£6m and this one absolutely was the managers pick Perhaps Rowett could threaten the Millwall board that if they don't pay £6m for him he would chuck his toys out of the pram and walk out, I wonder if they would be as accommodating/ spineless as ours are when they caved in to his demands. indeed probably not so you agree that one was Rowett & the boards fault & not the recruitment teams? & that's the point am trying to hammer in. come things are recruitment teams fault, some things Scholes ion his own (Wimmer fee & contract) other things most definitely are not so we could get rid of Scholes, we could not have a recruitment team & we could still fuck up royally
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 1, 2021 16:48:06 GMT
Tiger Woods is better than this fool.
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Feb 1, 2021 16:59:13 GMT
Post by kustokie on Feb 1, 2021 16:59:13 GMT
He's not pretty on the ball at all. He can't deal with the ball in tight spaces and he can only pass to his right. perfect analysis. he is worse than Mikel You’re only ever as good as the people around you (unless you’re George Best or Johan Cruyff), which means you can’t make a good pass unless the players move off the ball to lead the passer. That is one critical aspect of Stoke’s problem. We’re are just too slow and predictable, which allows the opposition to re-organize behind the ball when we get possession It’s night and day if you compare Stoke of today with Stoke five years ago. N’zonzi and Whelan were criticized for playing too many square balls - I think everyone would give an arm and leg to have players like them now.
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Feb 1, 2021 17:36:28 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 1, 2021 17:36:28 GMT
He’s shit.
The end.
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Feb 1, 2021 17:41:45 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Feb 1, 2021 17:41:45 GMT
Oh dear.
Hopefully Rowett doesn't get the chop at Millwall so he'll go for another 13 months.
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Feb 12, 2021 8:50:24 GMT
Post by liathroid on Feb 12, 2021 8:50:24 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2021 8:58:24 GMT
At worst, from that, it sounds like Rowett will take him at Millwall again next season (if he's still in the job) so the revelation that he's here until the summer of 22 shouldn't be a huge blow - although you can imagine they aren't paying a massive percentage of his wages.
And from what the Millwall fans have been saying, Rowett's opinion of Woods doesn't seem to be shared by the bulk of their supporters.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 12, 2021 9:00:18 GMT
If he wants him so badly, they can pay the £1.5m / £2m or whatever it is we'd need to break even for FFP.
They've just spent £750k on George Evans so I'm not buying they dont have the extra 1.25m to spend on Woods.
I understand why we loan out a lot of our players but this one pisses me off, Rowett left us with the mess and now we just let him take the player for free whilst they pay his wages, what a load of shit.
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Feb 12, 2021 9:05:15 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Feb 12, 2021 9:05:15 GMT
If he wants him so badly, they can pay the £1.5m / £2m or whatever it is we'd need to break even for FFP. They've just spent £750k on George Evans so I'm not buying they dont have the extra 1.25m to spend on Woods. I understand why we loan out a lot of our players but this one pisses me off, Rowett left us with the mess and now we just let him take the player for free whilst they pay his wages, what a load of shit. To rub salt into the wounds I imagine we are paying some of his wages, it's a total and utter piss take.
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Feb 12, 2021 10:18:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 10:18:08 GMT
I can’t tell with Woods what went wrong. He won back to back player awards at Brentford before we signed him. Is it just that a midfield of Allen and Woods is too lightweight?
I remember liking him a lot under Rowett.
Is it that he’s just good at keeping simple possession and needs another creative spark in there to be truly effective? In which case, if we now have two defenders (Souttar and Collins) who are comfortable playing the ball out, will he be more of use?
It’s likely that Mikel will go next year, do we try and get a tune out of him?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2021 10:24:34 GMT
I can’t tell with Woods what went wrong. He won back to back player awards at Brentford before we signed him. Is it just that a midfield of Allen and Woods is too lightweight? I remember liking him a lot under Rowett. Is it that he’s just good at keeping simple possession and needs another creative spark in there to be truly effective? In which case, if we now have two defenders (Souttar and Collins) who are comfortable playing the ball out, will he be more of use? It’s likely that Mikel will go next year, do we try and get a tune out of him? It’s more than that though, for a deep lying midfielder his defensive qualities are non-existent. He’s slow and powder-puff and offers no protection.
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Feb 12, 2021 10:30:44 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Feb 12, 2021 10:30:44 GMT
I can’t tell with Woods what went wrong. He won back to back player awards at Brentford before we signed him. Is it just that a midfield of Allen and Woods is too lightweight? I remember liking him a lot under Rowett. Is it that he’s just good at keeping simple possession and needs another creative spark in there to be truly effective? In which case, if we now have two defenders (Souttar and Collins) who are comfortable playing the ball out, will he be more of use? It’s likely that Mikel will go next year, do we try and get a tune out of him? It’s more than that though, for a deep lying midfielder his defensive qualities are non-existent. He’s slow and powder-puff and offers no protection. The few good clips I saw of him at Brentford were him driving forward, of which there was no evidence here. I don't know who his midfield partner was there (?), but maybe we should have been focusing on that player, who probably carried him there?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2021 10:33:51 GMT
It’s more than that though, for a deep lying midfielder his defensive qualities are non-existent. He’s slow and powder-puff and offers no protection. The few good clips I saw of him at Brentford were him driving forward, of which there was no evidence here. I don't know who his midfield partner was there (?), but maybe we should have been focusing on that player, who probably carried him there? Would it have been Sawyers?
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Feb 12, 2021 10:36:27 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 12, 2021 10:36:27 GMT
The few good clips I saw of him at Brentford were him driving forward, of which there was no evidence here. I don't know who his midfield partner was there (?), but maybe we should have been focusing on that player, who probably carried him there? Would it have been Sawyers? Interestingly and sadly he’s becoming something of a hate figure amongst the WBA support
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2021 10:42:09 GMT
Would it have been Sawyers? Interestingly and sadly he’s becoming something of a hate figure amongst the WBA support Saw that mate, wonder if he just can’t quite cut it at that level?
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Feb 12, 2021 10:43:13 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 12, 2021 10:43:13 GMT
Interestingly and sadly he’s becoming something of a hate figure amongst the WBA support Saw that mate, wonder if he just can’t quite cut it at that level? They started rounding on him last season Rob whilst in the championship
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Feb 12, 2021 10:45:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 10:45:55 GMT
It’s more than that though, for a deep lying midfielder his defensive qualities are non-existent. He’s slow and powder-puff and offers no protection. The few good clips I saw of him at Brentford were him driving forward, of which there was no evidence here. I don't know who his midfield partner was there (?), but maybe we should have been focusing on that player, who probably carried him there? But he must have been doing something right? Maybe it was the midfield combination as a whole and we just don’t have it? In my mind, a midfield three should have a ball winner, a deep playmaker and an attacking midfielder. I know they had Sawyers, I don’t know who else was in that middle. But he won player’s player in 2016/17 and supporter’s the year after. Back to back season awards would suggest he was doing something right. Maybe the three of Powell, Cousins and Woods would work, but we’d need goals from the other areas of the pitch to counter the fact Cousins and Woods wouldn’t get any.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2021 10:48:37 GMT
Saw that mate, wonder if he just can’t quite cut it at that level? They started rounding on him last season Rob whilst in the championship Interesting - I’d seen his name pop up in a few Championship XIs that season - guess the voters wouldn’t have seen him every week though to be fair.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 12, 2021 10:49:51 GMT
Fantastic debut at Sheff Wed. Singing his name most of the second half.
God knows what went wrong. We do have the knack of not being the right club for an awful lot of players.
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Feb 12, 2021 10:50:33 GMT
Post by pez75 on Feb 12, 2021 10:50:33 GMT
I can’t tell with Woods what went wrong. He won back to back player awards at Brentford before we signed him. Is it just that a midfield of Allen and Woods is too lightweight? I remember liking him a lot under Rowett. Is it that he’s just good at keeping simple possession and needs another creative spark in there to be truly effective? In which case, if we now have two defenders (Souttar and Collins) who are comfortable playing the ball out, will he be more of use? It’s likely that Mikel will go next year, do we try and get a tune out of him? Like Whelan before him he is one of those players that needs a couple of touches to pick his head up. Therefore he needs space to operate which is why he plays deep but dont let that fool you into thinking that he is a DM because he cant tackle for shit. If the oppo put someone on him then he is absolutely useless. Another terrible signing.
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Feb 12, 2021 11:01:45 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Feb 12, 2021 11:01:45 GMT
Interestingly and sadly he’s becoming something of a hate figure amongst the WBA support Saw that mate, wonder if he just can’t quite cut it at that level? He can't, yet being lauded on here for years. Slow, ponderous, men run off him.
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Feb 12, 2021 13:16:05 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Feb 12, 2021 13:16:05 GMT
Comment from Millwall forum today on Woods
"Opinion on him is divided on here with some thinking he is the ‘ginger Pirlo’ and others thinking that he is one of Snow White’s friends. His form this season for us is also a factor. If he really can lead the midfield and hit some telling passes which lead to goals then signing him could be a foregone conclusion. If he plays too deep, gets caught with the ball and plays like an extra defender then he could be on his bike in June. There is also the thought about the shedload he gets each week with his present contract. I am not sure we could pay a fortune to keep him."
There is some debate about him dropping too deep (most think this is Rowett's doing) and being more effective further up the pitch.
They don't seem too averse to him though. I like Pirlo/Snow White ref!
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