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Post by numpty40 on Oct 11, 2019 22:02:43 GMT
Sterlings a selfish greedy diving shitehawk The only world class footballer we have, just don't get the hate for the man.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 11, 2019 22:14:54 GMT
I still dont get why keepers always have to dive for the ball.. Pickford for theyre 2nd goal was never going to get down to it in time to keep it out put still made a pathetic attempt to dive across & downwards to save it. Would of stood a far better chance of adjusting his footing slightly & blocking the shot by sticking a leg out or just booting it clear! Have seen Butland dive for a few chances for us this season he'd of been better off just kicking away, one of them v Preston being a prime eg. Think far to much emphasis is placed on keepers having to dive & get down on the floor for everything these days. The only keeper I see who is more prepared than most to actually kick the ball away rather dive all the time is David De Gea..
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 11, 2019 22:18:18 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 11, 2019 22:18:44 GMT
Sterlings a selfish greedy diving shitehawk The only world class footballer we have, just don't get the hate for the man. I agree.
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Post by musik on Oct 11, 2019 22:31:45 GMT
TV over here just showed Iceland-France.
Was Chech Rep-England a fair result?
⚽🤔
And tomorrow it's Malta-Sweden. You can't be sure of anything in football.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 11, 2019 23:02:04 GMT
TV over here just showed Iceland-France. Was Chech Rep-England a fair result? ⚽🤔 And tomorrow it's Malta-Sweden. You can't be sure of anything in football. Yes. Very fair result. It was tight but they took their chance. Well done Czech. 'Reality Czech for England'. That's the backpage headline on three of tomorrows papers.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Oct 11, 2019 23:15:46 GMT
Sterlings a selfish greedy diving shitehawk The only world class footballer we have, just don't get the hate for the man. Your both right.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 12, 2019 2:30:39 GMT
Mason mount
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 12, 2019 4:29:26 GMT
Sterlings a selfish greedy diving shitehawk The only world class footballer we have, just don't get the hate for the man. Because once a dirty diving cheat always a dirty diving cheat
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 12, 2019 5:03:56 GMT
Mason mount Was Gash 😀
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 12, 2019 5:58:45 GMT
I still dont get why keepers always have to dive for the ball.. Pickford for theyre 2nd goal was never going to get down to it in time to keep it out put still made a pathetic attempt to dive across & downwards to save it. Would of stood a far better chance of adjusting his footing slightly & blocking the shot by sticking a leg out or just booting it clear! Have seen Butland dive for a few chances for us this season he'd of been better off just kicking away, one of them v Preston being a prime eg. Think far to much emphasis is placed on keepers having to dive & get down on the floor for everything these days. The only keeper I see who is more prepared than most to actually kick the ball away rather dive all the time is David De Gea.. Pat Jennings was a kicker. Bloody good keeper too.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 12, 2019 6:08:43 GMT
I still dont get why keepers always have to dive for the ball.. Pickford for theyre 2nd goal was never going to get down to it in time to keep it out put still made a pathetic attempt to dive across & downwards to save it. Would of stood a far better chance of adjusting his footing slightly & blocking the shot by sticking a leg out or just booting it clear! Have seen Butland dive for a few chances for us this season he'd of been better off just kicking away, one of them v Preston being a prime eg. Think far to much emphasis is placed on keepers having to dive & get down on the floor for everything these days. The only keeper I see who is more prepared than most to actually kick the ball away rather dive all the time is David De Gea.. Pickford is a show pony imo. The shot he pushed over the bar he made a meal of. Like many keepers these days You’ll see him take a step sideways as a shot comes in so he has to make a spectacular dive to stop it and make it look more difficult than it needs to be. I agree your sentiments regarding De Gea.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 12, 2019 6:10:52 GMT
The only world class footballer we have, just don't get the hate for the man. I agree. He was class yesterday for the first 60 mins or so - then you could see him getting frustrated with the dross around him. Same with Kane who basically played a #10 role for most of the game. The reason for both of the above is our midfield is appalling. And the manager seems clueless. At half time he shifted formation around going to one DM (Rice) pushing Henderson, who had been a second DM in the first half, forward on the right. This meant Henderson needed to play a more attacking role so he now had to pass the ball forward rather than back to his centre backs. This is of course something Henderson is incapable of doing effectively. Some of his passes forward were embarrassingly bad. Southgate needed to make a substitution to make the change in formation work.
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Post by zerps on Oct 12, 2019 6:29:28 GMT
Sterlings a selfish greedy diving shitehawk The only world class footballer we have, just don't get the hate for the man. See above.
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 12, 2019 6:59:46 GMT
It was a dreadful performance from England. Are Mount Henderson and Rice the best midfield we can find? Really? And Mount as the pivotal 'no10' in a 4-2-3-1 was almost Jonesesque in madness. And don't get me started on the defence!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 12, 2019 7:09:30 GMT
I still dont get why keepers always have to dive for the ball.. Pickford for theyre 2nd goal was never going to get down to it in time to keep it out put still made a pathetic attempt to dive across & downwards to save it. Would of stood a far better chance of adjusting his footing slightly & blocking the shot by sticking a leg out or just booting it clear! Have seen Butland dive for a few chances for us this season he'd of been better off just kicking away, one of them v Preston being a prime eg. Think far to much emphasis is placed on keepers having to dive & get down on the floor for everything these days. The only keeper I see who is more prepared than most to actually kick the ball away rather dive all the time is David De Gea.. Pickford is a show pony imo. The shot he pushed over the bar he made a meal of. Like many keepers these days You’ll see him take a step sideways as a shot comes in so he has to make a spectacular dive to stop it and make it look more difficult than it needs to be. I agree your sentiments regarding De Gea. That save was ridiculous. Way way over the top. Made a simple save look difficult and yet again he didn't look at the ball so it rebounded of the butt of his hand rather than the palm. He is so inferior to an in form butland, Pope and Heaton. The amount of caps hes got is a travesty.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 12, 2019 8:50:28 GMT
Southgate and the media myth about these players exposed again that sancho should be considered to wear the number 10 for England is an insult to the great players before him who wore that shirt him utterly disgraceful , media gloss of Southgate exposed as having consistent football management failure behind it in smythin* other than @ flat track bully game .
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Post by callas12 on Oct 12, 2019 10:28:47 GMT
Think people in the media are starting to realise that England are not as good as some people have had us believe. Gareth Southgate is so over-hyped too.. Despite this amazing World Cup we were meant to have had last summer, I still find it ironic that we returned as a 4th place team but still managed to lose 3x games during the tournament! We really lack a squad talisman in the Robson, Gazza, Lineker, Shearer, Beckham, Gerrard mold & am really not as convinced we're on the verge of dominating world football as people have been predicting. Granted Sterling is a great player for his club but not so sure he's creating the same waves on the International scene. & Kane just doesnt come across as the next potential Shearer or Lineker to me..
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Post by nott1 on Oct 12, 2019 10:34:23 GMT
Has Jones been coaching the defence?
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 12, 2019 11:30:13 GMT
Has Jones been coaching the defence? Could be that they've been using Hughes as a consultant.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 12, 2019 12:09:27 GMT
It was a dreadful performance from England. Are Mount Henderson and Rice the best midfield we can find? Really? And Mount as the pivotal 'no10' in a 4-2-3-1 was almost Jonesesque in madness. And don't get me started on the defence! Was Maddison not available as he’s better than all 3. No Foden either. We only need 1 of Henderson and Rice in the side as with both we lack creativity.
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Post by werrington on Oct 12, 2019 13:05:31 GMT
It was a dreadful performance from England. Are Mount Henderson and Rice the best midfield we can find? Really? And Mount as the pivotal 'no10' in a 4-2-3-1 was almost Jonesesque in madness. And don't get me started on the defence! Was Maddison not available as he’s better than all 3. No Foden either. We only need 1 of Henderson and Rice in the side as with both we lack creativity. Maddison withdrew with an injury
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Post by tony1234 on Oct 12, 2019 13:19:16 GMT
Basically we are a thick team Fast, yes. Technically capable, not exceptional but better than we were. But thick, the erstwhile constant....
Better nations with better players and good coaches can still suss out our game and then slowly take command of games.
Croatia (WC) - start better & lead, end up well beaten Spain (Nations league, h) - start better & lead, end up well beaten Spain (Nations League, a) - start by surging into a 3-0 lead, but are left hanging on as the Spanish dominate. Holland (Nations League) - start well, 1-1 at HT, end up well beaten Czech Rep (Euro) - start better and lead, end up well beaten
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 12, 2019 13:56:50 GMT
I still dont get why keepers always have to dive for the ball.. Pickford for theyre 2nd goal was never going to get down to it in time to keep it out put still made a pathetic attempt to dive across & downwards to save it. Would of stood a far better chance of adjusting his footing slightly & blocking the shot by sticking a leg out or just booting it clear! Have seen Butland dive for a few chances for us this season he'd of been better off just kicking away, one of them v Preston being a prime eg. Think far to much emphasis is placed on keepers having to dive & get down on the floor for everything these days. The only keeper I see who is more prepared than most to actually kick the ball away rather dive all the time is David De Gea.. Pat Jennings was a kicker. Bloody good keeper too. Big hands.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 12, 2019 14:06:30 GMT
Basically we are a thick team Fast, yes. Technically capable, not exceptional but better than we were. But thick, the erstwhile constant.... Better nations with better players and good coaches can still suss out our game and then slowly take command of games. Croatia (WC) - start better & lead, end up well beaten Spain (Nations league, h) - start better & lead, end up well beaten Spain (Nations League, a) - start by surging into a 3-0 lead, but are left hanging on as the Spanish dominate. Holland (Nations League) - start well, 1-1 at HT, end up well beaten Czech Rep (Euro) - start better and lead, end up well beaten Their first touch was much better than ours, Tone, and the same goes for the examples you highlighted. We don't play to our strengths, which in my opinion are pace and athleticism. We rarely seem ready to receive the ball and are constantly on the back foot.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 12, 2019 14:27:38 GMT
I’m hoping Guardiola trusts Foden enough and hangs around long enough for him to develop into the midfield general type player we need. Tomori should be starting ahead of Keane. I didn’t particularly rate the formation switch just to accommodate Mason Mount either. Winks should play over Rice every time too, Rice has been shite every time I’ve seen him in an England shirt. Normally, reactivity is not a feature you want in a manager, but Southgate is so passive when things aren’t working. It cost us the World Cup Semi, the Nations League semi and last night.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 12, 2019 14:33:12 GMT
Think people in the media are starting to realise that England are not as good as some people have had us believe. Gareth Southgate is so over-hyped too.. Despite this amazing World Cup we were meant to have had last summer, I still find it ironic that we returned as a 4th place team but still managed to lose 3x games during the tournament! We really lack a squad talisman in the Robson, Gazza, Lineker, Shearer, Beckham, Gerrard mold & am really not as convinced we're on the verge of dominating world football as people have been predicting. Granted Sterling is a great player for his club but not so sure he's creating the same waves on the International scene. & Kane just doesnt come across as the next potential Shearer or Lineker to me.. all but 2 of those players you mentioned didn’t even reach the level some of these lads did last summer with England. We need what we have always needed, a midfield general who can dictate play and not get pulled too high up, or get stuck in the mud like Henderson and Rice did.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 12, 2019 14:35:23 GMT
Southgate and the media myth about these players exposed again that sancho should be considered to wear the number 10 for England is an insult to the great players before him who wore that shirt him utterly disgraceful , media gloss of Southgate exposed as having consistent football management failure behind it in smythin* other than @ flat track bully game . Sancho is absolute quality, he’s proved it at club level and will prove it at international level. At 19 he’ll only get better. He had fuck all to work with last night. The problems came all from defence and the holding midfielders.
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Post by zerps on Oct 12, 2019 14:35:32 GMT
Think people in the media are starting to realise that England are not as good as some people have had us believe. Gareth Southgate is so over-hyped too.. Despite this amazing World Cup we were meant to have had last summer, I still find it ironic that we returned as a 4th place team but still managed to lose 3x games during the tournament! We really lack a squad talisman in the Robson, Gazza, Lineker, Shearer, Beckham, Gerrard mold & am really not as convinced we're on the verge of dominating world football as people have been predicting. Granted Sterling is a great player for his club but not so sure he's creating the same waves on the International scene. & Kane just doesnt come across as the next potential Shearer or Lineker to me.. all but 2 of those players you mentioned didn’t even reach the level some of these lads did last summer with England. We need what we have always needed, a midfield general who can dictate play and not get pulled too high up, or get stuck in the mud like Henderson and Rice did. We’re also, now well off that same level. What’s happened?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 12, 2019 14:40:50 GMT
all but 2 of those players you mentioned didn’t even reach the level some of these lads did last summer with England. We need what we have always needed, a midfield general who can dictate play and not get pulled too high up, or get stuck in the mud like Henderson and Rice did. We’re also, now well off that same level. What’s happened? Michael Keane isn’t an international quality centre back. Tomori should be given a shot. Dele Alli who normally links midfield to attack has fallen off a cliff form wise. He was also the best presser in the side. Danny Rose is in over Chillwell because of his name and Southgate us putting his faith in an unproven CDM who looks horrible on the ball and rather than try and eliminate the problem doubles down on it by playing another awkward player with the ball in Henderson beside him. He’s also reticent to change anything when it’s not working. A trend that started with Croatia and has gotten worse. You can go back through all our tournaments and pick out the player who has fucked us over and it’s always the type which we don’t have; a real midfield general. Nations league, Frenkie De Jong annihilated us, Croatia, Modric pissed on us all night, 2014 Marchisio, 2012, Pirlo, 2010, Schweinstiger and Ozil. Phil Foden’s development is massive for this England team.
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