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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2019 12:38:58 GMT
Hughes is history now so no point mulling it over endlessly. My view in a nutshell for what its worth is, he brought some wonderful times to Stoke ofr a couple of years but eventually created a disjointed undisciplined squad which we are still sorting out 2 years later. Hopefully SCFC have learnt a lesson and maybe MH has too. Good luck to him apart form against us of course.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Oct 9, 2019 12:45:47 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special. So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester Three consecutive finishes in the top ten of the top division - nothing special ? Really ? How many times has a Stoke City supporter experienced that since the club was founded ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2019 12:50:04 GMT
Mark Hughes greatest failure was to let Huth go. I will never forgive him for that & just cannot understand his thinking behind it. H e wanted to defend higher up the pitch & pass the ball out from the back Huth went to Leicester who defended very deep, he was sensational for them And that high line contributed to several drubbings.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2019 15:27:36 GMT
Does Bowen want it himself?
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 9, 2019 15:30:45 GMT
Is Micheal O' Neill still favourite in the Stoke betting?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 15:31:11 GMT
All valid points but it's only half the story. For all of the good that Mark Hughes delivered he is also hugely culpable for the shocking slide into the position we find ourselves now. Half of me is grateful for him spearheading the greatest footballing side I've seen at Stoke in my lifetime but equally half of me remembers the thorough embarrassment of seeing us capitulate to repeated 4 or 5 goal drubbings. I'm not sure how to feel about Hughes but I can understand why there's still large sections of the support that consider him to be a failure. Until we cast off the flops he signed for record fees there will still be a majority that hold him to task for our relegation. Like I said, not a perfect science. Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto, or saw him hit the ground absolutely running in those first couple of games for us (Chelsea, Watford) would have thought we had a fantastic player on our hands. At the time, Pogba had been signed for £80 odd million - I genuinely thought we had a bargain. Trouble is, you sign a human being, not a machine. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, for all kinds of personal reasons. There is no way that anybody at the football club expected the outcomes on those three expensive signings. In terms of Premier League money, they were a relatively low risk, high reward gambles. For all three to fail so badly was certainly catastrophic for a club like Stoke. As for relegation, for what it's worth, I suspect he would probably have kept us up. But that of course is speculation and purely a personal opinion. You're openly agreeing that signing a footballer for £18 million, after watching him once in a pre season friendly against us was a good idea. And I'm the one who's made a twat of myself
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 9, 2019 15:32:13 GMT
Why wouldn't he? It's now or never perhaps, although I'm sure he's found something for his tosser of a son to do.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2019 15:32:47 GMT
Is Micheal O' Neill still favourite in the Stoke betting? Yeah - nothing has moved since the weekend by the looks of it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2019 15:38:01 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 9, 2019 15:41:13 GMT
Really weird why O'Neill has come in from nowhere. Must be something in it?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 9, 2019 15:42:05 GMT
10 from 38?!?!?!? He's a bastard genius of a manger compare to some in the division
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 15:54:07 GMT
Phil Parkinson is a real shrewd appointment for some teams in this league. Did a job and a half at Bolton under ridiculous terms.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 9, 2019 16:09:10 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special. So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester Three consecutive finishes in the top ten of the top division - nothing special ? Really ? How many times has a Stoke City supporter experienced that since the club was founded ? We probably had similar success in 1970s, after league cup win, with 2 x 5th places and a 12th place finish in consecutive seasons before the roof blew off butler st.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Oct 9, 2019 16:18:43 GMT
Like I said, not a perfect science. Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto, or saw him hit the ground absolutely running in those first couple of games for us (Chelsea, Watford) would have thought we had a fantastic player on our hands. At the time, Pogba had been signed for £80 odd million - I genuinely thought we had a bargain. Trouble is, you sign a human being, not a machine. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, for all kinds of personal reasons. There is no way that anybody at the football club expected the outcomes on those three expensive signings. In terms of Premier League money, they were a relatively low risk, high reward gambles. For all three to fail so badly was certainly catastrophic for a club like Stoke. As for relegation, for what it's worth, I suspect he would probably have kept us up. But that of course is speculation and purely a personal opinion. You're openly agreeing that signing a footballer for £18 million, after watching him once in a pre season friendly against us was a good idea. And I'm the one who's made a twat of myself I didn't say that at all. I am simply saying that in those first few glimpses, it looked as though the club had pulled off a master stroke. Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto, or saw him hit the ground absolutely running in those first couple of games for us (Chelsea, Watford) would have thought we had a fantastic player on our hands.Please tell me where I "agree" that signing a footballer after watching him once in a pre-season friendly at any price is a good idea? I think you've done it again... Juan Sebastian Veron, Angel di Maria, Fernando Torres, Denis Bergkamp - football is littered with examples of fantastic players who flopped at certain clubs for some reason. As I said, bringing a player into a new club is not an exact science, and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs. The point remains, as several others have noted, that to simply to dismiss MH after he gave us arguably the best and most exciting period in over 150 years of league football seems narrow minded. I feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy that golden period in the club's history and recognise Mark Hughes's part in it.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 9, 2019 16:30:30 GMT
How any football club would consider giving Mark Hughes the managers job is beyond me.When you consider the state he’s left the last 3 clubs in and his signings for those clubs especially Southampton it beggars belief. I really do hope he gets it though because I for one will let him know my feelings on the way he eventually ripped the heart and soul out of our club
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 9, 2019 16:35:13 GMT
You're openly agreeing that signing a footballer for £18 million, after watching him once in a pre season friendly against us was a good idea. And I'm the one who's made a twat of myself I didn't say that at all. I am simply saying that in those first few glimpses, it looked as though the club had pulled off a master stroke. Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto, or saw him hit the ground absolutely running in those first couple of games for us (Chelsea, Watford) would have thought we had a fantastic player on our hands.Please tell me where I "agree" that signing a footballer after watching him once in a pre-season friendly at any price is a good idea? I think you've done it again... Juan Sebastian Veron, Angel di Maria, Fernando Torres, Denis Bergkamp - football is littered with examples of fantastic players who flopped at certain clubs for some reason. As I said, bringing a player into a new club is not an exact science, and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs. The point remains, as several others have noted, that to simply to dismiss MH after he gave us arguably the best and most exciting period in over 150 years of league football seems narrow minded. I feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy that golden period in the club's history and recognise Mark Hughes's part in it. Man that individual performance away at Chelsea was the absolute nuts. Still can’t get over the fact he could do that and then drop as low as he has.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 9, 2019 16:37:13 GMT
Sky reporting Lego head is not on Reading’s shortlist
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 17:06:13 GMT
You're openly agreeing that signing a footballer for £18 million, after watching him once in a pre season friendly against us was a good idea. And I'm the one who's made a twat of myself I didn't say that at all. I am simply saying that in those first few glimpses, it looked as though the club had pulled off a master stroke. Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto, or saw him hit the ground absolutely running in those first couple of games for us (Chelsea, Watford) would have thought we had a fantastic player on our hands.Please tell me where I "agree" that signing a footballer after watching him once in a pre-season friendly at any price is a good idea? I think you've done it again... Juan Sebastian Veron, Angel di Maria, Fernando Torres, Denis Bergkamp - football is littered with examples of fantastic players who flopped at certain clubs for some reason. As I said, bringing a player into a new club is not an exact science, and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs. The point remains, as several others have noted, that to simply to dismiss MH after he gave us arguably the best and most exciting period in over 150 years of league football seems narrow minded. I feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy that golden period in the club's history and recognise Mark Hughes's part in it. I think you need to re-read this thread again and then re-evaluate what you're accusing me of. "Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto" That's exactly what Mark Hughes thought when he saw him play and then decided to blow 18 million pounds on him. That's the mindset of an absolute imbecile, not a premier league manager. "and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs." Exactly, and that's the reason why Mark Hughes was a failure for us in the end because he couldnt do this, and not only could he not do it, he fucked it up on the grandest of grand scales and set this club back years. You may still fawn over the good times and still hold Mark Hughes in high esteem, and I can understand why people still look back at those times with fond memories because at times we were a joy to watch, but for me it wasn't worth the absolute mess he created and left us in, and I will never be able to forgive the way he completely neglected his duties.
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Post by tony1234 on Oct 9, 2019 17:27:55 GMT
I didn't say that at all. I am simply saying that in those first few glimpses, it looked as though the club had pulled off a master stroke. Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto, or saw him hit the ground absolutely running in those first couple of games for us (Chelsea, Watford) would have thought we had a fantastic player on our hands.Please tell me where I "agree" that signing a footballer after watching him once in a pre-season friendly at any price is a good idea? I think you've done it again... Juan Sebastian Veron, Angel di Maria, Fernando Torres, Denis Bergkamp - football is littered with examples of fantastic players who flopped at certain clubs for some reason. As I said, bringing a player into a new club is not an exact science, and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs. The point remains, as several others have noted, that to simply to dismiss MH after he gave us arguably the best and most exciting period in over 150 years of league football seems narrow minded. I feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy that golden period in the club's history and recognise Mark Hughes's part in it. I think you need to re-read this thread again and then re-evaluate what you're accusing me of. "Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto" That's exactly what Mark Hughes thought when he saw him play and then decided to blow 18 million pounds on him. That's the mindset of an absolute imbecile, not a premier league manager. "and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs." Exactly, and that's the reason why Mark Hughes was a failure for us in the end because he couldnt do this, and not only could he not do it, he fucked it up on the grandest of grand scales and set this club back years. You may still fawn over the good times and still hold Mark Hughes in high esteem, and I can understand why people still look back at those times with fond memories because at times we were a joy to watch, but for me it wasn't worth the absolute mess he created and left us in, and I will never be able to forgive the way he completely neglected his duties. Surely, you can only blame Hughes as much as Coates and the board. The club didn't have a structure to carry out due diligence, or the personnel capable of spending 18m wisely. Where there should have been top scouts and a DOF (and a sustainable recruitment policy to limit the risk exposure), there was a gaping hole (with Scholes and Cartwright lurking about). The lack of such a process and structure is where the board are accountable. Hughes made a stupid decision. But it was a stupid act to give him licence to make it. And farcical there were such holes in our processes. .... and once Hughes has left, it really is the end of him being accountable for the failures beyond that. Clubs pick bad managers (or leave some in situ too long), but it doesn't sink a well run/governed club. Look at Leicester, WBA, Everton and others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 17:32:52 GMT
I think you need to re-read this thread again and then re-evaluate what you're accusing me of. "Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto" That's exactly what Mark Hughes thought when he saw him play and then decided to blow 18 million pounds on him. That's the mindset of an absolute imbecile, not a premier league manager. "and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs." Exactly, and that's the reason why Mark Hughes was a failure for us in the end because he couldnt do this, and not only could he not do it, he fucked it up on the grandest of grand scales and set this club back years. You may still fawn over the good times and still hold Mark Hughes in high esteem, and I can understand why people still look back at those times with fond memories because at times we were a joy to watch, but for me it wasn't worth the absolute mess he created and left us in, and I will never be able to forgive the way he completely neglected his duties. Surely, you can only blame Hughes as much as Coates and the board. The club didn't have a structure to carry out due diligence, or the personnel capable of spending 18m wisely. Where there should have been top scouts and a DOF (and a sustainable recruitment policy), there was a gaping hole (with Scholes and Cartwright lurking about). The lack of such a process and structure is where the board are accountable. Hughes made a stupid decision. But it was a stupid act to give him licence to make it. .... and once Hughes has left, it really is the end of him being accountable for the failures beyond that. Clubs pick bad managers (or leave some in situ too long), but it doesn't sink a well run/governed club. Look at Leicester, WBA and others. The owners are more culpable than anyone in our demise and I've made my feelings known about those useless clowns on many occasions on here.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2019 17:36:33 GMT
I think you need to re-read this thread again and then re-evaluate what you're accusing me of. "Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto" That's exactly what Mark Hughes thought when he saw him play and then decided to blow 18 million pounds on him. That's the mindset of an absolute imbecile, not a premier league manager. "and a club like Stoke City has to try to find the gems at lower fees and wages than the rich clubs." Exactly, and that's the reason why Mark Hughes was a failure for us in the end because he couldnt do this, and not only could he not do it, he fucked it up on the grandest of grand scales and set this club back years. You may still fawn over the good times and still hold Mark Hughes in high esteem, and I can understand why people still look back at those times with fond memories because at times we were a joy to watch, but for me it wasn't worth the absolute mess he created and left us in, and I will never be able to forgive the way he completely neglected his duties. Surely, you can only blame Hughes as much as Coates and the board. The club didn't have a structure to carry out due diligence, or the personnel capable of spending 18m wisely. Where there should have been top scouts and a DOF (and a sustainable recruitment policy to limit the risk exposure), there was a gaping hole (with Scholes and Cartwright lurking about). The lack of such a process and structure is where the board are accountable. Hughes made a stupid decision. But it was a stupid act to give him licence to make it. And farcical there were such holes in our processes. .... and once Hughes has left, it really is the end of him being accountable for the failures beyond that. Clubs pick bad managers (or leave some in situ too long), but it doesn't sink a well run/governed club. Look at Leicester, WBA, Everton and others. In fairness, I think Vince has blamed the board and Coates on other threads.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2019 17:37:07 GMT
Surely, you can only blame Hughes as much as Coates and the board. The club didn't have a structure to carry out due diligence, or the personnel capable of spending 18m wisely. Where there should have been top scouts and a DOF (and a sustainable recruitment policy), there was a gaping hole (with Scholes and Cartwright lurking about). The lack of such a process and structure is where the board are accountable. Hughes made a stupid decision. But it was a stupid act to give him licence to make it. .... and once Hughes has left, it really is the end of him being accountable for the failures beyond that. Clubs pick bad managers (or leave some in situ too long), but it doesn't sink a well run/governed club. Look at Leicester, WBA and others. The owners are more culpable than anyone in our demise and I've made my feelings known about those useless clowns on many occasions on here. Sorry mate, beat me to it! 😁
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 9, 2019 17:45:39 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special. So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester Oh dear.
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Post by tony1234 on Oct 9, 2019 18:06:08 GMT
The owners are more culpable than anyone in our demise and I've made my feelings known about those useless clowns on many occasions on here. Sorry mate, beat me to it! 😁 I agree gentlemen. (Sorry if i missed earlier posts)
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Post by dreamtheater on Oct 9, 2019 18:13:14 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 9, 2019 18:16:12 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special. So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester How come you aren't including other teams "similar to Stoke" in your comparison, like Palace Burnley Bolton Derby Forest Leeds Sheff Wed Sheff U Blackburn Brighton Sunderland Newcastle Boro Wolves WBA Birmingham Norwich Watford Cardiff Swansea QPR Leeds Preston Fulham In the list of clubs of our approximate status, the "nothing special" line just cuts off after the first three does it?
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 9, 2019 18:19:36 GMT
That was before Hughes lost the plot and started to buy the likes of Berahino and Imbula..not sure if he ever bothered with defensive or set-piece training but anyway.. His latter transfer dealings and man management, along with Coates inability/refusal to see the problem have proven to be verging on catastrophic. TP thrashed Bolton in a hugely memorable FA Cup semi but he was not a man for all seasons and required replacing. Hughes' proclivities have left the club in a total mess and we are struggling to recover. That does not equate with good management. Either you or me has missed the point of potterlogs post. I'm betting on you. Judging by potterlogs explanation I haven't missed the point at all and my comment remains my opinion. The good spell under Hughes wasn't worth the subsequent weakening he, amongst others, brought upon the club, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by dreamtheater on Oct 9, 2019 18:32:40 GMT
I think it’s a good move for them and Hughes, he can do wonders when working on a budget and he’ll get a lot of respect from the players at this level. His stock may have fallen significantly in the past few years but he’s far from finished as a manager. Good luck to him. How the fuck can you wish that twat good luck? very funny indeed. Brought us stokalona on a budget then, proceeded to piss away, thick end of £70million quid down the toilet without so much as a 'by your leave'. Arrogant twonk. And perhaps even more fatally, completely unsupervsed by any form of governance by the club . The Kevin Wimmer signing perhaps the craziest of them all.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Oct 9, 2019 18:34:30 GMT
Three consecutive finishes in the top ten of the top division - nothing special ? Really ? How many times has a Stoke City supporter experienced that since the club was founded ? We probably had similar success in 1970s, after league cup win, with 2 x 5th places and a 12th place finish in consecutive seasons before the roof blew off butler st. I saw my first Stoke match in 1953 so twice in my lifetime so that’s special in my book. I live in hope I might see another spell like that.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 9, 2019 18:41:26 GMT
Either you or me has missed the point of potterlogs post. I'm betting on you. Judging by potterlogs explanation I haven't missed the point at all and my comment remains my opinion. The good spell under Hughes wasn't worth the subsequent weakening he, amongst others, brought upon the club, as far as I'm concerned. So we're back to the beginning again - if it wasn't worth it, what would you have replaced Hughes' good spell with in exchange for better overall management and maintaining bottom-half Premier League status? By definition it has to be something worse - I gave the example of TP's last season, but take Leslie's penultimate season if you prefer. Both finishing comfortably clear of relegation but characterised by turgid games devoid of creative spark, ground-out wins against poor opposition, early cup exits, various spankings and a next-to-nothing return against the big teams. You'd take six straight seasons of that in exchange for Liverpool 6-1, ManC 2-0, frequent wins against Chelsea and ManU, and the best of Shaq, Zonz, Arnie and Bojan (plus support) etc etc etc..........?
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