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Post by lordb on Oct 9, 2019 5:53:27 GMT
I tend to look beyond Hughes time at Stoke & his managerial career as a whole in its entirety. For all the plaudits he gets as a great player his managerial record is certainly not as glowing with no honours to show for his many years at the helm. Ask Fulham, QPR & Southampton fans what they think of him & doubt they'll be many who will hold him in a high regard. Think he's fudged his way through his managerial career & convinced he thinks he's better than he really is. He did well at Fulham though Kept Saints up of course. He's a good and bad manager.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 9, 2019 6:02:24 GMT
Hughes was the start of the rot. To many big egos and not enough man management to put them in their place. The feckers did what they wanted and Hughes couldn't handle them. We're paying for it now. start of the rot?....how old are you? ......you must be under 20 most of my Stoke supporting career has been rot....and the Mark Hughes era doesn't come anywhere near Christ! How old are you? You must be at least 150.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 9, 2019 6:16:11 GMT
Actually appointed manager at Reading ? I'm surprised TP didn't make himself available, he only lives just over an hour away by train..
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 9, 2019 6:32:46 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 9, 2019 6:43:37 GMT
Cuckoo manager, brilliant. I don't get the mark hughes appreciation society, 6 months of good football has cost us 3 years prem income and the price of Wimmer, berahino & imbula What is that totalling? The guy is a fraud. Allen aside, No more of his signings has turned out to be a long term 'stoke City' player, hence the identity loss
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2019 7:37:15 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 9, 2019 7:50:29 GMT
Reading fans don't look particularly impressed at his potential employment then!
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 9, 2019 8:06:16 GMT
Hughes was very fortunate that Pulis left him a squad that was well drilled or he would likely have gone much sooner. Hughes did a good job getting players in to complement what was already here (whether it was accidental or not), but as soon as the Pulis players left the fight seemed to leave with them. Whelan and Walters leaving seemed to finish us off.
Hughes would probably do well for a season or 2 at Middlesbrough as long as he didn't over stay his welcome.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Oct 9, 2019 8:08:54 GMT
I think it’s a good move for them and Hughes, he can do wonders when working on a budget and he’ll get a lot of respect from the players at this level. His stock may have fallen significantly in the past few years but he’s far from finished as a manager. Good luck to him. How the fuck can you wish that twat good luck? Unfortunately mate, you've made a bit of a twat of yourself there. Football management ain't a perfect science, but for 3 years Mark Hughes brought fantastic players, delivered amazing results and gave me some of the best memories I've had supporting Stoke since the first game I went to in 1972. If you want to focus on the negatives, that's fine by me. I prefer to remember the thrilling, beautiful football played by NZonzi, Shaqiri, Bojan and Arnautovic, and thrashing Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United. Good luck Mark, and thanks for the memories.
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Post by potterspele on Oct 9, 2019 10:01:53 GMT
How the fuck can you wish that twat good luck? Unfortunately mate, you've made a bit of a twat of yourself there. Football management ain't a perfect science, but for 3 years Mark Hughes brought fantastic players, delivered amazing results and gave me some of the best memories I've had supporting Stoke since the first game I went to in 1972. If you want to focus on the negatives, that's fine by me. I prefer to remember the thrilling, beautiful football played by NZonzi, Shaqiri, Bojan and Arnautovic, and thrashing Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United. Good luck Mark, and thanks for the memories. All valid points but it's only half the story. For all of the good that Mark Hughes delivered he is also hugely culpable for the shocking slide into the position we find ourselves now. Half of me is grateful for him spearheading the greatest footballing side I've seen at Stoke in my lifetime but equally half of me remembers the thorough embarrassment of seeing us capitulate to repeated 4 or 5 goal drubbings. I'm not sure how to feel about Hughes but I can understand why there's still large sections of the support that consider him to be a failure. Until we cast off the flops he signed for record fees there will still be a majority that hold him to task for our relegation.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 9, 2019 10:12:19 GMT
Mark Hughes greatest failure was to let Huth go. I will never forgive him for that & just cannot understand his thinking behind it.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Oct 9, 2019 10:14:44 GMT
Unfortunately mate, you've made a bit of a twat of yourself there. Football management ain't a perfect science, but for 3 years Mark Hughes brought fantastic players, delivered amazing results and gave me some of the best memories I've had supporting Stoke since the first game I went to in 1972. If you want to focus on the negatives, that's fine by me. I prefer to remember the thrilling, beautiful football played by NZonzi, Shaqiri, Bojan and Arnautovic, and thrashing Liverpool, Manchester City and Manchester United. Good luck Mark, and thanks for the memories. All valid points but it's only half the story. For all of the good that Mark Hughes delivered he is also hugely culpable for the shocking slide into the position we find ourselves now. Half of me is grateful for him spearheading the greatest footballing side I've seen at Stoke in my lifetime but equally half of me remembers the thorough embarrassment of seeing us capitulate to repeated 4 or 5 goal drubbings. I'm not sure how to feel about Hughes but I can understand why there's still large sections of the support that consider him to be a failure. Until we cast off the flops he signed for record fees there will still be a majority that hold him to task for our relegation. Like I said, not a perfect science. Anybody who saw Gianelli Imbula play against us for Porto, or saw him hit the ground absolutely running in those first couple of games for us (Chelsea, Watford) would have thought we had a fantastic player on our hands. At the time, Pogba had been signed for £80 odd million - I genuinely thought we had a bargain. Trouble is, you sign a human being, not a machine. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, for all kinds of personal reasons. There is no way that anybody at the football club expected the outcomes on those three expensive signings. In terms of Premier League money, they were a relatively low risk, high reward gambles. For all three to fail so badly was certainly catastrophic for a club like Stoke. As for relegation, for what it's worth, I suspect he would probably have kept us up. But that of course is speculation and purely a personal opinion.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 9, 2019 10:30:59 GMT
Either you or me has missed the point of potterlogs post. I'm betting on you. Guess it must be me. Enlighten me Judging by potterlogs explanation I haven't missed the point at all and my comment remains my opinion. The good spell under Hughes wasn't worth the subsequent weakening he, amongst others, brought upon the club, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by lowlands on Oct 9, 2019 11:00:32 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special.
So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester
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Post by lordb on Oct 9, 2019 11:05:54 GMT
Mark Hughes greatest failure was to let Huth go. I will never forgive him for that & just cannot understand his thinking behind it. H e wanted to defend higher up the pitch & pass the ball out from the back Huth went to Leicester who defended very deep, he was sensational for them
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Post by musik on Oct 9, 2019 11:06:05 GMT
Standing ovation on December 14th?
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Post by lordb on Oct 9, 2019 11:08:02 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special. So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester 6.1 v Liverpool? comfortable victories over Arsenal & Spurs at other times? wins over Chelsea? come on, it wasn't just one month. for balance 2016 onward was just appalling
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Post by lowlands on Oct 9, 2019 11:10:54 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special. So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester 6.1 v Liverpool? comfortable victories over Arsenal & Spurs at other times? wins over Chelsea? come on, it wasn't just one month. for balance 2016 onward was just appalling
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Post by Davef on Oct 9, 2019 11:11:42 GMT
I only really remember one month of great football under Hughes and that was December 2015 when we beat Man City 2-0, Man Utd 2-0 Everton 4-3 drew with West Ham and lost to Palace. Other than that we were an average team in the premier league, which is better than where we are now obviously, but under Hughes we were nothing special. So in 2016 we finished 9th and 9 points from 8th whilst West Ham finished 7th and Southampton finished 6th oh and Leicester won the league. So 9th was nothing special compared to 3 teams similar to Stoke finishing in the top 7 West Ham, Southampton and Leicester Your memory is obviously failing you. From 1st February until the end of his first season we lost three games, away at Man City and Chelsea and at home to Spurs. We won eight games during that period and played some great football. From when Bojan broke into the side the following season we were pretty damn good. We won away at Spurs, played Arsenal off the park, and despite a few ups and downs ended the season hammering Spurs and, famously, Liverpool. Then there was the period you mentioned the following season when we played Man City off the park and beat both Man Utd and Everton over the Christmas period. We got to seventh at one point that season after a couple of good wins at Bournemouth and Watford.
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Post by lowlands on Oct 9, 2019 11:16:58 GMT
6.1 v Liverpool? comfortable victories over Arsenal & Spurs at other times? wins over Chelsea? come on, it wasn't just one month. for balance 2016 onward was just appalling Understand what you are saying, I was making the point we played well for a couple of weeks, we simply were not persistent enough. Examples litter our seasons such as 2014-15 Season beat Spurs at WHL 2-1 the following week lose at home 1-2 to Burnley. We never really knew what was going to happen next. Not saying it wasn't great fun it was but the consistency was never there that great teams have. The players we had at the time we should have achieved so much more than 3 top 9 finishes.
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Post by Davef on Oct 9, 2019 11:20:20 GMT
Understand what you are saying, I was making the point we played well for a couple of weeks, we simply were not persistent enough. Examples litter our seasons such as 2014-15 Season beat Spurs at WHL 2-1 the following week lose at home 1-2 to Burnley. We never really knew what was going to happen next. Not saying it wasn't great fun it was but the consistency was never there that great teams have. The players we had at the time we should have achieved so much more than 3 top 9 finishes. But we were a mid-table Premier League team, not one challenging for a Champions League place. That's what happens with mid-table teams.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 9, 2019 11:26:50 GMT
He would deserve a small ripple I wold have thought, if he returns here. It went tits up, everyone got angry but taken in the round there were some fabulous days. He was a big part of what by and large was a great ten years.
Would be churlish if there was any real negative response to him.
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 9, 2019 11:28:19 GMT
Say what you like about LMH but the shower of shit I've seen since his departure makes him look even better. If he was not sacked we would not be where we are now.
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Post by spiderpuss on Oct 9, 2019 11:29:35 GMT
With Mark Hughes it's always "what happens next", yes there will be some good football. Yes it probably will be entertaining. After a while there's the awful expensive signings and that's when it all goes wrong.
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Post by lowlands on Oct 9, 2019 11:30:39 GMT
Understand what you are saying, I was making the point we played well for a couple of weeks, we simply were not persistent enough. Examples litter our seasons such as 2014-15 Season beat Spurs at WHL 2-1 the following week lose at home 1-2 to Burnley. We never really knew what was going to happen next. Not saying it wasn't great fun it was but the consistency was never there that great teams have. The players we had at the time we should have achieved so much more than 3 top 9 finishes. But we were a mid-table Premier League team, not one challenging for a Champions League place. That's what happens with mid-table teams. I agree but disagree that Hughes was this super manager and lets be honest we should have won a trophy with the team we had, we just imploded in the semi final and eventually in 2018. Hughes simply was not good enough to prevent our demise. He bought some crappy players towards the end of his time. However on saying that I think letting Hughes go when we did was bloody madness with no replacement. Still believe Hughes would have got the 2 wins we needed to stay up, he should have gone much earlier than the January - straight after the West Ham defeat when Arnie had a laugh on our behalf
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Post by Davef on Oct 9, 2019 11:37:04 GMT
But we were a mid-table Premier League team, not one challenging for a Champions League place. That's what happens with mid-table teams. I agree but disagree that Hughes was this super manager and lets be honest we should have won a trophy with the team we had, we just imploded in the semi final and eventually in 2018. Hughes simply was not good enough to prevent our demise. He bought some crappy players towards the end of his time. However on saying that I think letting Hughes go when we did was bloody madness with no replacement. Still believe Hughes would have got the 2 wins we needed to stay up, he should have gone much earlier than the January - straight after the West Ham defeat when Arnie had a laugh on our behalf I don't think anyone has said that Hughes was a super manager. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest that there were no, or very few, good times with him as our manager. As for imploding in the Semi-Final, well, we lost the first leg, won at Anfield and lost the tie on penalties. We would've faced Manchester City in the final which would have been a mammoth task, regardless of how well we played against them in the league game at Stoke earlier in the season or the team we had.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 9, 2019 11:37:15 GMT
Because for a while he had us playing the best football I’ve ever seen at Stoke and brought in some extremely talented players. It ended badly, but LMH is not the reason for our current predicament, pretty much every big decision by the board since his sacking has been catastrophic. So his signings of saido, wimmer and imbula have not left the club is a mess? As bad as they are, that wasn't the reason we're currently bottom of the championship. He did a good job with us to be fair as time will eventually show, 3 ninth place finishes, free flowing football, players we could have only dreamed about a few years earlier, anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
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Post by werrington on Oct 9, 2019 12:01:39 GMT
Because for a while he had us playing the best football I’ve ever seen at Stoke and brought in some extremely talented players. It ended badly, but LMH is not the reason for our current predicament, pretty much every big decision by the board since his sacking has been catastrophic. So his signings of saido, wimmer and imbula have not left the club is a mess? You do realise Wimmer turned West Brom down and signed for us instead.....you know that bloke Pulis wanted to sign him also Nope thought you didn’t
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Post by thevoid on Oct 9, 2019 12:10:15 GMT
Hughes was very fortunate that Pulis left him a squad that was well drilled or he would likely have gone much sooner. Hughes did a good job getting players in to complement what was already here (whether it was accidental or not), but as soon as the Pulis players left the fight seemed to leave with them. Whelan and Walters leaving seemed to finish us off. Hughes would probably do well for a season or 2 at Middlesbrough as long as he didn't over stay his welcome. A bit like Pulis at Boro you mean?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 9, 2019 12:17:13 GMT
So his signings of saido, wimmer and imbula have not left the club is a mess? You do realise Wimmer turned West Brom down and signed for us instead.....you know that bloke Pulis wanted to sign him also Nope thought you didn’t Nonsense, Tony was only chasing him to hoodwink us into doing it and it worked that's what I heard off me mate who had trials down at Stoke back in the 70's anyway.
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