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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 30, 2019 20:31:35 GMT
Gross misconduct according to the club statement mate Without knowing the ins and outs mutts it smells a little The 33 year old passenger is sacked as he is injured for another 12-14 months ( technically his career ) and that covers the remainder of his contract The two young drivers who were pissed and left the scene of the crime and who weren’t injured meaning they can be useful are technically slapped on the wrist because they have value Gross misconduct my arse Agreed. Lionel Hutz would get him a pay off!!
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Oct 30, 2019 20:44:12 GMT
Gross misconduct according to the club statement mate Without knowing the ins and outs mutts it smells a little The 33 year old passenger is sacked as he is injured for another 12-14 months ( technically his career ) and that covers the remainder of his contract The two young drivers who were pissed and left the scene of the crime and who weren’t injured meaning they can be useful are technically slapped on the wrist because they have value Gross misconduct my arse Pretty transparent isn't it?! Do clubs think everyone is fucking stupid. The 2 worse culprits are kept for the reasons you've stated. It's also the first time that I knew that these two tossers left their unconscious, club captain and teammates in the car when running off. Scumbags.
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Post by dreamtheater on Oct 30, 2019 20:44:34 GMT
I can think of quite a few more Professional football players Id like to see get sacked
along with ( of course) a certain chief executive
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 21:38:24 GMT
This is a brave move that on a wider scale sends out completely the wrong message.
If you drive with excess alcohol, have a road traffic collision, fail to stop at the scene and ultimately end up in Court with the District Judge saying the matters cross the custody threshold you get fined 6 weeks wages
But
If you are in the car that crashes, not committing any criminal offence, but are significantly injured then you are sacked for gross misconduct.
It glorifies that if you are young and have value you can do what you want.
They are either all sacked or none of them.
This will cause some serious unrest in the squad I guarantee you that.
Sneeky outside bet for relegation.
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Post by enuntio on Oct 30, 2019 21:42:51 GMT
Players can have to much power, but in this case, the players should go on an immediate strike and refuse to train, play, attend...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 21:50:02 GMT
You either sack them all or sack none.
Proper Shithouse trick.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 30, 2019 21:57:25 GMT
Cocu said afterwards that Keogh "feels responsible" for the incident. Are they using that as part of the reason as well?
Agree with the majority, it's shocking that the two who are drink driving pretty much get away with it because they have some value, the old bloke who they left unconscious in the back of the car gets sacked.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 30, 2019 22:19:10 GMT
Keogh was also bang out of order at the pub where the club bonding night was taking place prior to the main crash incident, he was abusive to staff, refused to pay the bill & was very vocal in boasting about they're earnings in comparison to what the pub staff would have been earning. Rumours were also rife of illegal substances having been found in or near the car after it had crashed. Any or all of those things if directly involving Keogh could constitute a Gross Misconduct matter in the eyes of Derby County.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 30, 2019 22:24:23 GMT
Keogh was also bang out of order at the pub where the club bonding night was taking place prior to the main crash incident, he was abusive to staff, refused to pay the bill & was very vocal in boasting about they're earnings in comparison to what the pub staff would have been earning. Rumours were also rife of illegal substances having been found in or near the car after it had crashed. Any or all of those things if directly involving Keogh could constant a Gross Misconduct matter in the eyes of Derby County. They might do in the eyes of Derby but unlikely to in the eyes of the law.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 30, 2019 22:40:41 GMT
Bring him home 😎
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Post by callas12 on Oct 30, 2019 22:45:58 GMT
Keogh was also bang out of order at the pub where the club bonding night was taking place prior to the main crash incident, he was abusive to staff, refused to pay the bill & was very vocal in boasting about they're earnings in comparison to what the pub staff would have been earning. Rumours were also rife of illegal substances having been found in or near the car after it had crashed. Any or all of those things if directly involving Keogh could constant a Gross Misconduct matter in the eyes of Derby County. They might do in the eyes of Derby but unlikely to in the eyes of the law. Adrian Mutu was sacked by Chelsea for a breach of contract after failing a drug test. Caused them a world of pain afterwards mind you but sure their decision got ultimately upheld. Theres clearly more than has been reported on going on behind the scenes here, for them to sack him for Gross Misconduct you'd imagine they'd be backed to the hilt by evidence to counteract any comeback & that a lawyer of some description had scrutinised it first.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 30, 2019 22:49:27 GMT
They might do in the eyes of Derby but unlikely to in the eyes of the law. Adrian Mutu was sacked by Chelsea for a breach of contract after failing a drug test. Caused them a world of pain afterwards mind you but sure their decision got ultimately upheld. Theres clearly more than has been reported on going on behind the scenes here, for them to sack him for Gross Misconduct you'd imagine they'd be backed to the hilt by evidence to counteract any comeback & that a lawyer of some description had scrutinised it first. Drugs are illegal, booze isn’t. You might be right and there may be other extenuating circumstances at play that we’re not aware of but on the face of it Keogh has an extremely strong case. If it’s factual that they offered to keep him on on lower wages they haven’t a leg to stand on
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Post by trainstobrazil on Oct 30, 2019 22:50:46 GMT
It’s amazing that the two drivers have not been sent to prison.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 30, 2019 22:56:03 GMT
Adrian Mutu was sacked by Chelsea for a breach of contract after failing a drug test. Caused them a world of pain afterwards mind you but sure their decision got ultimately upheld. Theres clearly more than has been reported on going on behind the scenes here, for them to sack him for Gross Misconduct you'd imagine they'd be backed to the hilt by evidence to counteract any comeback & that a lawyer of some description had scrutinised it first. Drugs are illegal, booze isn’t. You might be right and there may be other extenuating circumstances at play that we’re not aware of but on the face of it Keogh has an extremely strong case. If it’s factual that they offered to keep him on on lower wages they haven’t a leg to stand on Yeah agreed its that offering him a lower wage to keep him & essentially run his contract down bit which is the confusing part. Cant imagine he'd of done it this way but if Mel Morris has got upperty coz Keogh rejected the lower wage offer & has just sacked him out of anger at what he's done as an after thought then as you mention Keogh could still hold the ace cards when it comes to any kind of appeal. Doubt it's the last we'll here of this saga.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 30, 2019 23:05:24 GMT
Of course there will be lots of comments/suspicions into the DCFC affair which may be justified/unjustified.
My thoughts at this point in time are that the employer (a football club) has found it reasonable to dismiss someone who was under contract for gross misconduct and make an unequivocal public statement
I think back several months and wonder why the behaviour of a certain local player didn’t face exactly the same consequences because of his actions.
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Post by Gifton on Oct 30, 2019 23:46:02 GMT
You have to think that might be career over for him.
Certainly one of the better players our academy has produced when looking at the career he has had.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 0:01:30 GMT
I not sure if it shows my lack of football knowledge or the talent of transfer team
But I have opened this wondering if he is one of the dynamic hungry young leader league one shitters who we have signed to not play.
He seems a useless bellend could we not afford his wages?
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Post by jeycov on Oct 31, 2019 6:18:29 GMT
What action will be taken to Lawrence and Bennett I wonder? Yes just because they can return to play this season does that make any difference All 3 stupid beyond belief, keoghs injuries probably from not wearing a seat belt ? The other 2 were actually driving
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 31, 2019 6:48:21 GMT
As these two scumbags that ran away are now ex teammates there is nothing stopping him from pursuing a case in civil law against them for loss of earning and damages for injuries for now and the future as he was not the driver of the car with them being found guilty in court he has a great chance of winning substantial damages and the two players would have the smirks wiped off there faces
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 31, 2019 7:21:24 GMT
Of course there will be lots of comments/suspicions into the DCFC affair which may be justified/unjustified. My thoughts at this point in time are that the employer (a football club) has found it reasonable to dismiss someone who was under contract for gross misconduct and make an unequivocal public statement I think back several months and wonder why the behaviour of a certain local player didn’t face exactly the same consequences because of his actions. I think you’ll find the answer in the coming months.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2019 16:19:23 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 31, 2019 19:31:40 GMT
Given the look of him she should have replaced “scape” with “billy” 🤣
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 12, 2019 18:36:45 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 28, 2019 14:55:41 GMT
No surprise considering the club oversaw the appeal🙄
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 28, 2019 15:20:59 GMT
I imagine he will be taking it further.
"Keogh has one final route of appeal, and is expected to take his case to the English Football League with the assistance of the PFA. Alternatively, he could pursue it through a regular employment tribunal."
He's got to be in a good shout whichever way he goes.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 28, 2019 15:25:37 GMT
And meanwhile, Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett carry on as if nothing has happened.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 20, 2021 10:33:00 GMT
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Post by ash on Jan 20, 2021 10:47:55 GMT
Sounds fair enough to me. How can they sack Keogh for his involvement but not dismiss the two drivers that were both drunk get given a far lesser sanction by Derby. This was purely a way of Derby not having to cover the cost of his wages whilst injured as he had no real sale value yet the younger players did. I hope they lose the appeal and end up having to pay all of the costs!
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Post by Veritas on Jan 20, 2021 10:49:27 GMT
Quite right too, I don't approve of what he did but you can't just ignore due process and sack someone despite what people call for on here every time McClean farts.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 20, 2021 10:51:37 GMT
I’d love to know who’s stumping up the cash for that.
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