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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:30:14 GMT
It's a prediction roger. Like when you said the Tories would get a massive majority in 2017....... Nah, it's the best you can hope for. Yeah we didn't win as well as we thought but it was enough to be Government....... again. Gove the coke head knows the score roger.... |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 29, 2019 13:30:19 GMT
It's a prediction roger. Like when you said the Tories would get a massive majority in 2017....... Nah, it's the best you can hope for. Yeah we didn't win as well as we thought but it was enough to be Government....... again. If you call the last two years Government you may need a new dictionary. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:30:49 GMT
It's a prediction roger. Like when you said the Tories would get a massive majority in 2017....... Nah, it's the best you can hope for. Yeah we didn't win as well as we thought but it was enough to be Government....... again. |
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 13:31:11 GMT
It's a prediction roger. Like when you said the Tories would get a massive majority in 2017....... Nah, it's the best you can hope for. Yeah we didn't win as well as we thought but it was enough to be Government....... again. I'll make a prediction Labour will not be anywhere near government come the next GE. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 13:32:19 GMT
Nah, it's the best you can hope for. Yeah we didn't win as well as we thought but it was enough to be Government....... again. I'll make a prediction Labour will not be anywhere near government come the next GE. Well Jezzbollah and imbelic shadow cabinet hasn't been in No 10 so every cloud and all that. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 29, 2019 13:33:30 GMT
It's a prediction roger. Like when you said the Tories would get a massive majority in 2017....... Nah, it's the best you can hope for. Yeah we didn't win as well as we thought but it was enough to be Government....... again. It didn't turn out to be enough to actually, erm ... 'govern' though did it? And is why Johnson has decided he's got no other choice to but try again for a 'proper' majority, this time. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 13:33:57 GMT
And we're off! Leafleting tonight!
This from the local Conservative WhatsApp.......
We are ON 💥 for a General Election on the 12th December as it seems Labour have folded and will back our Bill today.
This is probably the most crucial General Election in my lifetime (I wasn’t born in 1979!) - it offers the country:
1⃣ a chance to deliver Brexit and finally honour the referendum result
2⃣ a huge choice between the optimistic sensible Conservatism of Boris Johnson and the Marxist miserablism of Jeremy Corbyn
3⃣ a real chance for us to move forward and unite the country after all the division of the last few years
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 13:34:38 GMT
He's been railroaded into turning Labour into remain party. We already had a vote to leave when 'no deal' was definitely on the table. Tell me another EU Treaty that was put before the electorate. None is the answer. It's remain hiding behind a rigged peoples vote. Corbyn's Brexit is a customs union and single market access which comes with the EU's 4 freedoms. It's trying to reverse the ref result and calling it democracy. I think that means he's of the opinion that no deal is too damaging to the country to be conscionable. Which I agree with personally, but I take the point. No deal should be on the ballot too. In fairness though, if it is, Leavers would criticise it as trying to split the leave vote. It should be deal or no deal anything else would just be scandalous because you'er spot on it would split the leave vote with remain winning by default. Remain can not be one of the options on any future referendum. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:41:44 GMT
And we're off! Leafleting tonight!This from the local Conservative WhatsApp....... We are ON 💥 for a General Election on the 12th December as it seems Labour have folded and will back our Bill today. This is probably the most crucial General Election in my lifetime (I wasn’t born in 1979!) - it offers the country: 1⃣ a chance to deliver Brexit and finally honour the referendum result 2⃣ a huge choice between the optimistic sensible Conservatism of Boris Johnson and the Marxist miserablism of Jeremy Corbyn 3⃣ a real chance for us to move forward and unite the country after all the division of the last few years Careful roger, could be a slight frost this evening. Plays havoc with the zimmer frames and mobility scooters when you're all out and about.......  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:44:01 GMT
I think that means he's of the opinion that no deal is too damaging to the country to be conscionable. Which I agree with personally, but I take the point. No deal should be on the ballot too. In fairness though, if it is, Leavers would criticise it as trying to split the leave vote. It should be deal or no deal anything else would just be scandalous because you'er spot on it would split the leave vote with remain winning by default. Remain can not be one of the options on any future referendum. Why not? We're in a very different position now to where we were when the referendum was held. We have a lot more information about what leaving means, about the difficulties in negotiations, and about what the government would be looking to do with the UK after leaving. That Channel 4 Dispatches programme was incredibly worrying. I am very much against the EU as an institution, and I voted leave at the time, but if you're putting 'no deal' on the ballot, which was explicitly ruled out by every mainstream leave campaigner, then remain should be on it too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:52:11 GMT
And we're off! Leafleting tonight! This from the local Conservative WhatsApp....... We are ON 💥 for a General Election on the 12th December as it seems Labour have folded and will back our Bill today. This is probably the most crucial General Election in my lifetime (I wasn’t born in 1979!) - it offers the country: 1⃣ a chance to deliver Brexit and finally honour the referendum result 2⃣ a huge choice between the optimistic sensible Conservatism of Boris Johnson and the Marxist miserablism of Jeremy Corbyn 3⃣ a real chance for us to move forward and unite the country after all the division of the last few years unless you are a nurse, doctor, teacher, police officer, disabled, homeless, sick, poor, work in the public sector, elderly, in education, a parent, a minority, use the NHS, own a small business, work for a large business, a fan of the environment, an immigrant, an asylum seeker, LGBT, resident outside the southeast, pretty much anyone who isn't upper-middle class. Again, Corbyn has issues, but I can't think of one policy he has that sounds miserable or Marxist tbh. I despise this pathetic name-calling shite. Especially from a party that has caused so much pain and suffering for so many over the last 9 years. We have fucking food banks for fucks sake. In 2019. In the UK. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 29, 2019 13:53:36 GMT
It should be deal or no deal anything else would just be scandalous because you'er spot on it would split the leave vote with remain winning by default. Remain can not be one of the options on any future referendum. Why not? We're in a very different position now to where we were when the referendum was held. We have a lot more information about what leaving means, about the difficulties in negotiations, and about what the government would be looking to do with the UK after leaving. That Channel 4 Dispatches programme was incredibly worrying. I am very much against the EU as an institution, and I voted leave at the time, but if you're putting 'no deal' on the ballot, which was explicitly ruled out by every mainstream leave campaigner, then remain should be on it too. It wouldn't split the leave vote if it was a two part question. 1. Do you want to leave or remain? 2. If leave wins, do you want to leave with a) the deal b) on WTO terms? Although I think we're a million miles away from a second referendum at the moment. |
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 13:54:22 GMT
It should be deal or no deal anything else would just be scandalous because you'er spot on it would split the leave vote with remain winning by default. Remain can not be one of the options on any future referendum. Why not? We're in a very different position now to where we were when the referendum was held. We have a lot more information about what leaving means, about the difficulties in negotiations, and about what the government would be looking to do with the UK after leaving. That Channel 4 Dispatches programme was incredibly worrying. I am very much against the EU as an institution, and I voted leave at the time, but if you're putting 'no deal' on the ballot, which was explicitly ruled out by every mainstream leave campaigner, then remain should be on it too. I'm not worried it's only the constant whingers scaring you. It's nothing more than doom sayers and it's working try a bit of positivity. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:54:49 GMT
Why not? We're in a very different position now to where we were when the referendum was held. We have a lot more information about what leaving means, about the difficulties in negotiations, and about what the government would be looking to do with the UK after leaving. That Channel 4 Dispatches programme was incredibly worrying. I am very much against the EU as an institution, and I voted leave at the time, but if you're putting 'no deal' on the ballot, which was explicitly ruled out by every mainstream leave campaigner, then remain should be on it too. It wouldn't split the leave vote if it was a two part question. 1. Do you want to leave or remain? 2. If leave wins, do you want to leave with a) the deal b) on WTO terms? Although I think we're a million miles away from a second referendum at the moment. I can't imagine people would go for that, it'd still be 'splitting the leave vote', cause everyone who voted remain would vote for the deal. So even if leave won you'd be almost guaranteed to have the deal win. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:57:39 GMT
Why not? We're in a very different position now to where we were when the referendum was held. We have a lot more information about what leaving means, about the difficulties in negotiations, and about what the government would be looking to do with the UK after leaving. That Channel 4 Dispatches programme was incredibly worrying. I am very much against the EU as an institution, and I voted leave at the time, but if you're putting 'no deal' on the ballot, which was explicitly ruled out by every mainstream leave campaigner, then remain should be on it too. I'm not worried it's only the constant whingers scaring you. It's nothing more than doom sayers and it's working try a bit of positivity. Well I don't think that's a realistic thing to say. The government's own research told them that a no-deal would shrink the economy by up to 10%. That's the opposite of the 'doom-sayers', that's the people who want it saying it'll be more than a bit shit. We'd be tearing up every bit of trade we have, and having to renegotiate it again, and seeing how long it's taken the government to negotiate what is essentially a shit trade deal with one other trading block, I have no confidence they'd be able to do it with every other country on earth. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 13:57:45 GMT
And we're off! Leafleting tonight! This from the local Conservative WhatsApp....... We are ON 💥 for a General Election on the 12th December as it seems Labour have folded and will back our Bill today. This is probably the most crucial General Election in my lifetime (I wasn’t born in 1979!) - it offers the country: 1⃣ a chance to deliver Brexit and finally honour the referendum result 2⃣ a huge choice between the optimistic sensible Conservatism of Boris Johnson and the Marxist miserablism of Jeremy Corbyn 3⃣ a real chance for us to move forward and unite the country after all the division of the last few years unless you are a nurse, doctor, teacher, police officer, disabled, homeless, sick, poor, work in the public sector, elderly, in education, a parent, a minority, use the NHS, own a small business, work for a large business, a fan of the environment, an immigrant, an asylum seeker, LGBT, resident outside the southeast, pretty much anyone who isn't upper-middle class. Again, Corbyn has issues, but I can't think of one policy he has that sounds miserable or Marxist tbh. I despise this pathetic name-calling shite. Especially from a party that has caused so much pain and suffering for so many over the last 9 years. We have fucking food banks for fucks sake. In 2019. In the UK. I might just go through your regurgitated lefty nonsense ..... or maybe I won't. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 14:00:16 GMT
Optimistic unless you are a nurse, doctor, teacher, police officer, disabled, homeless, sick, poor, work in the public sector, elderly, in education, a parent, a minority, use the NHS, own a small business, work for a large business, a fan of the environment, an immigrant, an asylum seeker, LGBT, resident outside the southeast, pretty much anyone who isn't upper-middle class. Again, Corbyn has issues, but I can't think of one policy he has that sounds miserable or Marxist tbh. I despise this pathetic name-calling shite. Especially from a party that has caused so much pain and suffering for so many over the last 9 years. We have fucking food banks for fucks sake. In 2019. In the UK. I might just go through your regurgitated lefty nonsense ..... or maybe I won't. It's not nonsense though, is it, it's backed up by the last 9 years this country has endured under a tory shithouse government. They've panned funding for education, the NHS, policing and public services, and all in the name of 'austerity', which research has proven is a shit way of building an economy up. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 14:01:46 GMT
I know how Roger likes a "sources said" tweet....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 14:04:31 GMT
And we're off! Leafleting tonight!This from the local Conservative WhatsApp....... We are ON 💥 for a General Election on the 12th December as it seems Labour have folded and will back our Bill today. This is probably the most crucial General Election in my lifetime (I wasn’t born in 1979!) - it offers the country: 1⃣ a chance to deliver Brexit and finally honour the referendum result 2⃣ a huge choice between the optimistic sensible Conservatism of Boris Johnson and the Marxist miserablism of Jeremy Corbyn 3⃣ a real chance for us to move forward and unite the country after all the division of the last few years Careful roger, could be a slight frost this evening. Plays havoc with the zimmer frames and mobility scooters when you're all out and about....... No zimmers here mate. You must be thinking about your 70 year old leader. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 14:06:40 GMT
Careful roger, could be a slight frost this evening. Plays havoc with the zimmer frames and mobility scooters when you're all out and about....... No zimmers here mate. You must be thinking about your 70 year old leader. View Attachment3? Cracking turn out that day fair play..... |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 14:07:39 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 29, 2019 14:09:44 GMT
It wouldn't split the leave vote if it was a two part question. 1. Do you want to leave or remain? 2. If leave wins, do you want to leave with a) the deal b) on WTO terms? Although I think we're a million miles away from a second referendum at the moment. I can't imagine people would go for that, it'd still be 'splitting the leave vote', cause everyone who voted remain would vote for the deal. So even if leave won you'd be almost guaranteed to have the deal win. That is the only way you're going to get 'remain' on to the paper, without unfairly splitting the leave vote. And if the country did vote to leave, why shouldn't the people who want to remain, then have a say in how we leave? |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 14:09:46 GMT
I might just go through your regurgitated lefty nonsense ..... or maybe I won't. It's not nonsense though, is it, it's backed up by the last 9 years this country has endured under a tory shithouse government. They've panned funding for education, the NHS, policing and public services, and all in the name of 'austerity', which research has proven is a shit way of building an economy up. Underfunding the NHS? How is £1 Billion every 72 hours underfunding? |
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 14:10:02 GMT
I might just go through your regurgitated lefty nonsense ..... or maybe I won't. It's not nonsense though, is it, it's backed up by the last 9 years this country has endured under a tory shithouse government. They've panned funding for education, the NHS, policing and public services, and all in the name of 'austerity', which research has proven is a shit way of building an economy up. The economy was in a shit state it needed to be sorted. Labour spunk money at every crackpot idea and soft touch bleeding heart "cause" we need serious people running this country not a country where being a lazy cnut pays more than working. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 14:11:16 GMT
I can't imagine people would go for that, it'd still be 'splitting the leave vote', cause everyone who voted remain would vote for the deal. So even if leave won you'd be almost guaranteed to have the deal win. That is the only way you're going to get 'remain' on to the paper, without unfairly splitting the leave vote. And if the country did vote to leave, why shouldn't the people who want to remain, then have a say in how we leave? "If" ?? The country DID vote leave. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 29, 2019 14:21:53 GMT
That is the only way you're going to get 'remain' on to the paper, without unfairly splitting the leave vote. And if the country did vote to leave, why shouldn't the people who want to remain, then have a say in how we leave? "If" ?? The country DID vote leave. We're discussing a hypothetical second referendum that I said was a million miles away Rog. I thought you'd already realised that ... |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 29, 2019 14:26:50 GMT
And we're off! Leafleting tonight! This from the local Conservative WhatsApp....... We are ON 💥 for a General Election on the 12th December as it seems Labour have folded and will back our Bill today. This is probably the most crucial General Election in my lifetime (I wasn’t born in 1979!) - it offers the country: 1⃣ a chance to deliver Brexit and finally honour the referendum result 2⃣ a huge choice between the optimistic sensible Conservatism of Boris Johnson and the Marxist miserablism of Jeremy Corbyn 3⃣ a real chance for us to move forward and unite the country after all the division of the last few years Imagine being in power all through the "division of the last few years", then using that division as a call to arms to put the same people back in power to help solve the division. Quite often I think there's no way members of political parties truly believe some of the guff that is the party line. However, this seems to show that they swallow it whole. It's worse than we thought doctor. |
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 14:39:08 GMT
I'm not worried it's only the constant whingers scaring you. It's nothing more than doom sayers and it's working try a bit of positivity. Well I don't think that's a realistic thing to say. The government's own research told them that a no-deal would shrink the economy by up to 10%. That's the opposite of the 'doom-sayers', that's the people who want it saying it'll be more than a bit shit. We'd be tearing up every bit of trade we have, and having to renegotiate it again, and seeing how long it's taken the government to negotiate what is essentially a shit trade deal with one other trading block, I have no confidence they'd be able to do it with every other country on earth. I do but that's just my view. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 29, 2019 14:48:08 GMT
This election may not even get off the ground if 16/17 year olds and EU nationals will be given the vote. If they do then this Government is toast surely?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 14:50:30 GMT
It's not nonsense though, is it, it's backed up by the last 9 years this country has endured under a tory shithouse government. They've panned funding for education, the NHS, policing and public services, and all in the name of 'austerity', which research has proven is a shit way of building an economy up. The economy was in a shit state it needed to be sorted. Labour spunk money at every crackpot idea and soft touch bleeding heart "cause" we need serious people running this country not a country where being a lazy cnut pays more than working. So do you think the economy has been sorted then? And how is funding vital services 'bleeding heart'? Being a lazy Cnut does pay more, see almost everyone who is born into millions. |
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