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Post by serpico on Dec 20, 2019 8:51:13 GMT
Bloody hell Momo. Are you seriously upset about these honours. Every party does it. Some more heinously than others - remember Blair’s “cash for honours” and Wilson’s “Lavender List”. You can even go back as far as ol’ shagger himself, Lloyd George. Fair enough to slam the honours system. But it ain’t a party political issue. The point I think hes making is that part of tory leaving the EU argument is the fact that they are undemocratic and not elected,and they have gone and done exactly what they say they are against in less than a week. But we still have a House of Lords, until its abolished governments still have to pick people to be in it, not sure why it’s such a big deal that he picked people who share his outlook, that’s pretty much what they all do ? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 20, 2019 8:55:58 GMT
Bloody hell Momo. Are you seriously upset about these honours. Every party does it. Some more heinously than others - remember Blair’s “cash for honours” and Wilson’s “Lavender List”. You can even go back as far as ol’ shagger himself, Lloyd George. Fair enough to slam the honours system. But it ain’t a party political issue. The point I think hes making is that part of tory leaving the EU argument is the fact that they are undemocratic and not elected,and they have gone and done exactly what they say they are against in less than a week. Good point. That's why the fight for democracy isn't simply leaving the EU. I think that most people know this but want to carry on the party Political points..... the so called Left leaning people should wake up and recognise that this system doesn't actually work for them. The only real power that Labour have had in 50 years has been Blair....and the left say that he was really a Tory. Perhaps the system should change |
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Post by Kilo on Dec 20, 2019 9:32:05 GMT
Bloody hell Momo. Are you seriously upset about these honours. Every party does it. Some more heinously than others - remember Blair’s “cash for honours” and Wilson’s “Lavender List”. You can even go back as far as ol’ shagger himself, Lloyd George. Fair enough to slam the honours system. But it ain’t a party political issue. The point I think hes making is that part of tory leaving the EU argument is the fact that they are undemocratic and not elected,and they have gone and done exactly what they say they are against in less than a week. It's clutching at straws. All the decision makers in the EU are unelected. If the democratically elected government of the UK wish to appoint a few people to do jobs that they think are best qualified, then it's not an issue. I have news for you, the chef at No. 10 and the cat are also unelected. |
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Post by serpico on Dec 20, 2019 21:17:40 GMT
any decent crumpet amongst this new crop ?
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Post by algor on Dec 20, 2019 23:35:50 GMT
Bloody hell Momo. Are you seriously upset about these honours. Every party does it. Some more heinously than others - remember Blair’s “cash for honours” and Wilson’s “Lavender List”. You can even go back as far as ol’ shagger himself, Lloyd George. Fair enough to slam the honours system. But it ain’t a party political issue. The point I think hes making is that part of tory leaving the EU argument is the fact that they are undemocratic and not elected,and they have gone and done exactly what they say they are against in less than a week. Driving out the scum from our political houses should be nothing to be ashamed of! The hard left should be routed wherever it is met. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 21, 2019 12:42:52 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 21, 2019 12:53:09 GMT
Every single constituency in Staffordshire is blue. 12 out of 12. View AttachmentMake a nice framed photo for Sheiky, that! 😁 |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2019 3:33:40 GMT
The final word?
Starkey, love him or loathe him, is capable of constructing a cogent argument. He ain’t always right but is always, IMO, worth listening to.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 22, 2019 8:04:16 GMT
The final word? Starkey, love him or loathe him, is capable of constructing a cogent argument. He ain’t always right but is always, IMO, worth listening to. That is a very good watch uncomfortable at times You can see why he's the boggey man of the left But it is very hard to disagree with |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 8:56:55 GMT
The final word? Starkey, love him or loathe him, is capable of constructing a cogent argument. He ain’t always right but is always, IMO, worth listening to. I'm half way through...,I agree with every word he says so far except about proportional representation. He is absolutely correct on Patriotism, acting in the National self interest and foreign aid ( and heads of Quangos)... something that the Labour party never understand. He is correct upon extremism and cultism.... Liberalism should not have been a cult...but unfortunately has become one on the media and universities" you must believe, don't question it " ( a bit like the EU)...Owen Jones and Ash do come over as ideological zealots who would exterminate opposition.. even ordinary working class "wrong thinkers". He's correct about the Civil service being politicised , the reasons that people chose Boris on persona compared to Boris and emphasis on the single issue of BREXIT...and people have not changed their minds. |
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2019 9:14:07 GMT
This is a whole different level of incompetence.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2019 10:24:50 GMT
The final word? Starkey, love him or loathe him, is capable of constructing a cogent argument. He ain’t always right but is always, IMO, worth listening to. I'm half way through...,I agree with every word he says so far except about proportional representation. He is absolutely correct on Patriotism, acting in the National self interest and foreign aid ( and heads of Quangos)... something that the Labour party never understand. He is correct upon extremism and cultism.... Liberalism should not have been a cult...but unfortunately has become one on the media and universities" you must believe, don't question it " ( a bit like the EU)...Owen Jones and Ash do come over as ideological zealots who would exterminate opposition.. even ordinary working class "wrong thinkers". He's correct about the Civil service being politicised , the reasons that people chose Boris on persona compared to Boris and emphasis on the single issue of BREXIT...and people have not changed their minds. Your comment about agreeing (or not) with his words is very astute (if you don’t mind me saying so). Meaning he sets out his argument articulately. Too much of political discourse today, whether it is politicians, media (not forgetting message boards), is bland and evasive which means argument rapidly descends to abusive ad hominem attacks. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 10:30:52 GMT
I'm half way through...,I agree with every word he says so far except about proportional representation. He is absolutely correct on Patriotism, acting in the National self interest and foreign aid ( and heads of Quangos)... something that the Labour party never understand. He is correct upon extremism and cultism.... Liberalism should not have been a cult...but unfortunately has become one on the media and universities" you must believe, don't question it " ( a bit like the EU)...Owen Jones and Ash do come over as ideological zealots who would exterminate opposition.. even ordinary working class "wrong thinkers". He's correct about the Civil service being politicised , the reasons that people chose Boris on persona compared to Boris and emphasis on the single issue of BREXIT...and people have not changed their minds. Your comment about agreeing (or not) with his words is very astute (if you don’t mind me saying so). Meaning he sets out his argument articulately. Too much of political discourse today, whether it is politicians, media (not forgetting message boards), is bland and evasive which means argument rapidly descends to abusive ad hominem attacks. He's absolutely right on the bloated House of Lords being unrepresentative ( full of Lib Dems). He is correct about abolishing the Supreme court, being a political court. And of course he is correct about the 2017-19 parliament acting against the people ( with some in a different era clearly bring traitors)..... he is correct that we should not take our parliamentary institutions and history for granted..... if it had continued in the same mode as in 2017-9.... acting against the people.... we would have been in real trouble... abolishment? He's correct about the Northern working class not wanting to be patronised.... Labour just don't get this at all...." We know what's best for you ( well at least it makes us feel more righteousness if you go along with us)". He is also correct about the British belief in freedom of speech.... which actually encourages difference ( eccentricity as he says , and therefore innovation)...compare this to the other growing ( and it is) ideology in this country , Islam, which demands conformity, rigid thinking and a lifestyle stuck in the 6th century. Interesting view on the fact that the NHS needs reform by different thinking. In fact he is the academic wing of the BREXIT party/ Farage..... agreement on virtually every point. |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2019 10:53:42 GMT
Your comment about agreeing (or not) with his words is very astute (if you don’t mind me saying so). Meaning he sets out his argument articulately. Too much of political discourse today, whether it is politicians, media (not forgetting message boards), is bland and evasive which means argument rapidly descends to abusive ad hominem attacks. He's absolutely right on the bloated House of Lords being unrepresentative ( full of Lib Dems). He is correct about abolishing the Supreme court, being a political court. And of course he is correct about the 2017-19 parliament acting against the people ( with some in a different era clearly bring traitors)..... he is correct that we should not take our parliamentary institutions and history for granted..... if it had continued in the same mode as in 2017-9.... acting against the people.... we would have been in real trouble... abolishment? He's correct about the Northern working class not wanting to be patronised.... Labour just don't get this at all...." We know what's best for you ( well at least it makes us feel more righteousness if you go along with us)". He is also correct about the British belief in freedom of speech.... which actually encourages difference ( eccentricity as he says , and therefore innovation)...compare this to the other growing ( and it is) ideology in this country , Islam, which demands conformity, rigid thinking and a lifestyle stuck in the 6th century. Interesting view on the fact that the NHS needs reform by different thinking. In fact he is the academic wing of the BREXIT party/ Farage..... agreement on virtually every point. I got the impression he wasn’t much impressed with Nigel! And he ain’t perfect. Islam remained the centre of the scientific world until the 14th century. Thankfully as far as the West was concerned, because that was the basis of the Age of Enlightenment in the 16th and 17th century when the West became the dominant force in the world and the world of Islam entered its long period of decline - economically and intellectually. Of course oil reversed the former, but sadly, religion still restricts the latter. |
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Post by felonious on Dec 22, 2019 11:01:41 GMT
Every single constituency in Staffordshire is blue. 12 out of 12. Make a nice framed photo for Sheiky, that! 😁 One for the dartboard more like  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 11:04:00 GMT
He's absolutely right on the bloated House of Lords being unrepresentative ( full of Lib Dems). He is correct about abolishing the Supreme court, being a political court. And of course he is correct about the 2017-19 parliament acting against the people ( with some in a different era clearly bring traitors)..... he is correct that we should not take our parliamentary institutions and history for granted..... if it had continued in the same mode as in 2017-9.... acting against the people.... we would have been in real trouble... abolishment? He's correct about the Northern working class not wanting to be patronised.... Labour just don't get this at all...." We know what's best for you ( well at least it makes us feel more righteousness if you go along with us)". He is also correct about the British belief in freedom of speech.... which actually encourages difference ( eccentricity as he says , and therefore innovation)...compare this to the other growing ( and it is) ideology in this country , Islam, which demands conformity, rigid thinking and a lifestyle stuck in the 6th century. Interesting view on the fact that the NHS needs reform by different thinking. In fact he is the academic wing of the BREXIT party/ Farage..... agreement on virtually every point. I got the impression he wasn’t much impressed with Nigel! And he ain’t perfect. Islam remained the centre of the scientific world until the 14th century. Thankfully as far as the West was concerned, because that was the basis of the Age of Enlightenment in the 16th and 17th century when the West became the dominant force in the world and the world of Islam entered its long period of decline - economically and intellectually. Of course oil reversed the former, but sadly, religion still restricts the latter. I was going to include that about the history of Islam and its enlightened period.... unfortunately history also shows a clash between Islam and the West...and I think that this is happening now. He doesn't mention UKIP or Farage in the video and I would imagine that he would find a reason to distance himself from him/ them( I've searched for his view of Farage). i think that he likes an old school Tory party in power.....but on virtually everything he says he is in agreement in Farage....the door to the new era that he alludes to that has let in Boris, has been opened by Farage. No Farage, no Brexit, no change |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2019 11:14:24 GMT
I got the impression he wasn’t much impressed with Nigel! And he ain’t perfect. Islam remained the centre of the scientific world until the 14th century. Thankfully as far as the West was concerned, because that was the basis of the Age of Enlightenment in the 16th and 17th century when the West became the dominant force in the world and the world of Islam entered its long period of decline - economically and intellectually. Of course oil reversed the former, but sadly, religion still restricts the latter. I was going to include that about the history of Islam and its enlightened period.... unfortunately history also shows a clash between Islam and the West...and I think that this is happening now. He doesn't mention UKIP or Farage in the video and I would imagine that he would find a reason to distance himself from him/ them( I've searched for his view of Farage). i think that he likes an old school Tory party in power.....but on virtually everything he says he is in agreement in Farage....the door to the new era that he alludes to that has let in Boris, has been opened by Farage. No Farage, no Brexit, no change I agree - No Farage, No Brexit. As I’ve said before he is the dominant UK political force in the 21st century. But, as you know, I can’t stand the man!!! On the decline of Islam, it’s worth also mentioning the Reformation and its critical role in the enlightenment. Lest we forget, the Catholic Church welcomed scientific thought as much as Islam. Check out what happened to Galileo if there is any doubt. The reformation created the space in which science and philosophy (and art) could flourish leading to today’s secular western society. What Islam desperately needs is its own reformation to separate religion and the State. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 11:27:09 GMT
I was going to include that about the history of Islam and its enlightened period.... unfortunately history also shows a clash between Islam and the West...and I think that this is happening now. He doesn't mention UKIP or Farage in the video and I would imagine that he would find a reason to distance himself from him/ them( I've searched for his view of Farage). i think that he likes an old school Tory party in power.....but on virtually everything he says he is in agreement in Farage....the door to the new era that he alludes to that has let in Boris, has been opened by Farage. No Farage, no Brexit, no change I agree - No Farage, No Brexit. As I’ve said before he is the dominant UK political force in the 21st century. But, as you know, I can’t stand the man!!! On the decline of Islam, it’s worth also mentioning the Reformation and its critical role in the enlightenment. Lest we forget, the Catholic Church welcomed scientific thought as much as Islam. Check out what happened to Galileo if there is any doubt. The reformation created the space in which science and philosophy (and art) could flourish leading to today’s secular western society. What Islam desperately needs is its own reformation to separate religion and the State. Another good thing about Starkey's video...he points out the folly of trying to impose an ideology on a people without respect for their history.. Momentum, the EU and Islam are guilty of this. I'm aware of the achievements of Islam in the past and the negativities of the Christian and Catholic church, not dissimilar to Islam. 1970s pre revolutionary Iran seemed a free and joyous place.. when Islam did exist,was the main religion but did not have the dominant ideology within the country that is raising its head at times today. I suspect that was the case when the " Muslim world" had its great period of enlightenment....it isn't where Islam is today. History might record the current era as the Christian era but most of the scientific development has little to do with Christianity.. some of it ,such as Darwenism may even be in spite of Christianity. I think that our culture/art and to some extent morality and law owes something to Christianity/ Judaism. The label may read the same but the reality is different ( a bit like the " Labour" party, the " LibDems" or the attempt to equate the"EU" with "Europe" |
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 18:02:12 GMT
Labour would do well to keep these celebrities away from future election campaigns, it’s not 1997 anymore and these celebrities are more likely to push voters away, particularly after being insulted by them
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Post by kingdong on Dec 23, 2019 22:55:51 GMT
Here is a pretty good analysis on why Labour lost the election.
It's on a really good channel on Youtube called Triggernometry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 2:17:01 GMT
any decent crumpet amongst this new crop ? I think she, herself would be the top of my list by a mile, outstanding. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 26, 2019 15:16:44 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 5, 2020 13:44:11 GMT
So it seems the 88% of tory facebook ads were lies stat much loved and repeated, or repetted as he would probably say  by Essex was 100% made up bollocks who would have thought it..... |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 5, 2020 15:30:04 GMT
So it seems the 88% of tory facebook ads were lies stat much loved and repeated, or repetted as he would probably say by Essex was 100% made up bollocks who would have thought it..... Christ on a bike I'm amazed 12 % of ads were true Anyone who believes a single thing off faceless book needs to give there head a serious wobble |
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 11:50:14 GMT
any decent crumpet amongst this new crop ? I think she, herself would be the top of my list by a mile, outstanding. She's got that young Emma Thompson look about her, and the nice girl next door look going on. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 6, 2020 16:36:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 18:09:04 GMT
I think she, herself would be the top of my list by a mile, outstanding. She's got that young Emma Thompson look about her, and the nice girl next door look going on. 100% And snazzy knees and all  |
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by Essex was 100% made up bollocks who would have thought it.....
