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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 14:51:11 GMT
It's not nonsense though, is it, it's backed up by the last 9 years this country has endured under a tory shithouse government. They've panned funding for education, the NHS, policing and public services, and all in the name of 'austerity', which research has proven is a shit way of building an economy up. Underfunding the NHS? How is £1 Billion every 72 hours underfunding? Well, because it needs more than that. |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 29, 2019 14:55:23 GMT
Underfunding the NHS? How is £1 Billion every 72 hours underfunding? Well, because it needs more than that. You sound like one of your year 6 kids  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 29, 2019 14:57:30 GMT
This election may not even get off the ground if 16/17 year olds and EU nationals will be given the vote. If they do then this Government is toast surely? It'd take 6 maybe 12 months to get all 16/17 year olds on to the electoral role apparently. I know that Labour are going to table this amendment but I can't for the life of me see how it will get through, when the Tories, SNP and Lib Dems are all desperate for an election before Christmas. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 15:01:22 GMT
This election may not even get off the ground if 16/17 year olds and EU nationals will be given the vote. If they do then this Government is toast surely? Why would EU nationals be given the vote in a domestic election? Anyone suggesting this is purely vote rigging. Countries with 16 year old voting age in general elections.... Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, Malta and Nicaragua. Never going to happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 15:01:59 GMT
Well, because it needs more than that. You sound like one of your year 6 kids It's simple enough that even they can figure it out |
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Post by Davef on Oct 29, 2019 15:02:31 GMT
Missing you already.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 15:02:49 GMT
Underfunding the NHS? How is £1 Billion every 72 hours underfunding? Well, because it needs more than that. How much more? Serious question. £1 billion every 48 hours? Every 24 hours? How much will it need in 50 years? Or 100 years time? £3 Billion a day?? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 15:14:08 GMT
Well, because it needs more than that. How much more? Serious question. £1 billion every 48 hours? Every 24 hours? How much will it need in 50 years? Or 100 years time? £3 Billion a day?? I have no idea. I understand the point that 'well it'll carry on going up forever' and yes, it will. For me, healthcare is a basic human right, and if the NHS is in the position it is now, where we don't have enough doctors, nurses, and those we do have are forced to work themselves to near death, it needs more money. It takes priority funding, and whatever it needs to deliver adequate care, it should get. Apart from anything, a healthier country means a better economy, even though that is a nothing reason compared with moral reasons. |
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Post by noustie on Oct 29, 2019 15:25:32 GMT
Well, because it needs more than that. How much more? Serious question. £1 billion every 48 hours? Every 24 hours? How much will it need in 50 years? Or 100 years time? £3 Billion a day?? Sorry jump in but the monetary values you're giving are obfuscating the point really - the size of the number doesn't really prove anything in itself in monetary form. UK population has increased 10% in last ten years and as per link so has NHS spending give or take: www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget However, that doesn’t take into account inflation and for a large part of that period spending increased by c.1% in comparison to average 3.5% since its inception. I’d say spending needs to increase in line with population growth in real terms or services will continue to go backwards. In usual times when majority of the population growth is through working tax paying migrants, along with the money they have to pay to access the NHS at the outset, should mean the increase in population doesn't negatively affect services unless that is the impression that the government wishes to portray. Sure the US trade deals involving their pharmaceuticals will help no end. |
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 15:27:59 GMT
The economy was in a shit state it needed to be sorted. Labour spunk money at every crackpot idea and soft touch bleeding heart "cause" we need serious people running this country not a country where being a lazy cnut pays more than working. So do you think the economy has been sorted then? And how is funding vital services 'bleeding heart'? Being a lazy Cnut does pay more, see almost everyone who is born into millions. Question 1: it's getting there still work to do in reducing debt. Question 2: Vital services ? NHS, Schools, policing etc no problem give them more. Needs money though... Lazy cnuts: I've worked hard to allow me to be lazy by choice, rich people are fortunate but hey ho that's life. There is a difference neither of us holds our hands out expecting money lazy cnuts do. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 15:28:07 GMT
Wacists! Hard Right! Posh Boys! Get the Tories out innit! I thought the 6th Form was on half term. I was responding to Franklin's sixth form post dodgepot, I remember you were full of beans pre 2017 then disappeared for about 3 months afterwards.  Don't worry comrade, when change arrives, Jeremy will only make you pay what you and your sort owe. I pay what HMRC ask me to pay. Those with more money will move their assets out of the UK. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 15:31:28 GMT
My prediction. GE not going to happen. Labour pushing for amendments which they know the Government couldn't support so they'll pull the bill.
We trundle on towards January 31st.
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 15:31:54 GMT
Well, because it needs more than that. How much more? Serious question. £1 billion every 48 hours? Every 24 hours? How much will it need in 50 years? Or 100 years time? £3 Billion a day?? Excellent point it needs tightening up on who gets access. Only those with legitimate access should get help, either through NI or insurance. It needs to be done or it will fail before long its harsh but true. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 29, 2019 15:31:56 GMT
So the Conservatives are all for an election but not if EU citizens or 16-17 year olds are allowed to vote?
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Post by franklin66 on Oct 29, 2019 15:35:13 GMT
So the Conservatives are all for an election but not if EU citizens or 16-17 year olds are allowed to vote? Why should EU citizens have a vote !! Become a British citizen then vote away until then no. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2019 15:45:51 GMT
This election may not even get off the ground if 16/17 year olds and EU nationals will be given the vote. If they do then this Government is toast surely? Why would EU nationals be given the vote in a domestic election? Anyone suggesting this is purely vote rigging. Countries with 16 year old voting age in general elections.... Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, Malta and Nicaragua. Never going to happen. It is EU Nationals who live here and pay taxes into the kitty.....why shouldn't they have a vote? Vote rigging is when you try to prevent students from voting. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2019 15:47:02 GMT
So the Conservatives are all for an election but not if EU citizens or 16-17 year olds are allowed to vote? Why should EU citizens have a vote !! Become a British citizen then vote away until then no. Because they pay taxes. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 29, 2019 15:48:03 GMT
I was responding to Franklin's sixth form post dodgepot, I remember you were full of beans pre 2017 then disappeared for about 3 months afterwards. Don't worry comrade, when change arrives, Jeremy will only make you pay what you and your sort owe. Those with more money will move their assets out of the UK. You mean like this lot? www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/09/brexiters-put-money-offshore-tax-havenErg'ers, right wing Tories, greedy bastards. Those types of people? |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 29, 2019 15:54:50 GMT
My prediction. GE not going to happen. Labour pushing for amendments which they know the Government couldn't support so they'll pull the bill. We trundle on towards January 31st. Don't need Labour with SNP and Lib-dems. All it needs is a majority of 1! Labour had to say they want it faced with a probability it would pass anyway! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 15:56:38 GMT
So do you think the economy has been sorted then? And how is funding vital services 'bleeding heart'? Being a lazy Cnut does pay more, see almost everyone who is born into millions. Question 1: it's getting there still work to do in reducing debt. Question 2: Vital services ? NHS, Schools, policing etc no problem give them more. Needs money though... Lazy cnuts: I've worked hard to allow me to be lazy by choice, rich people are fortunate but hey ho that's life. There is a difference neither of us holds our hands out expecting money lazy cnuts do. 1. National debt has more than doubled under the Tories. 2. so you use the money for them. Spending money on public services increases standard of living and increases spending, improving economy. Austerity does not work. www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm'hey ho' isn't a reasonable explanation for why some people are born into millions and others can't afford food. And neither is 'the poor ones are lazy' cause it turns out, that is factually not true. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 15:58:31 GMT
I was responding to Franklin's sixth form post dodgepot, I remember you were full of beans pre 2017 then disappeared for about 3 months afterwards. Don't worry comrade, when change arrives, Jeremy will only make you pay what you and your sort owe. I pay what HMRC ask me to pay. Those with more money will move their assets out of the UK.One of the biggest arguments against Brexit. Rubbished by the right when used for that, but somehow is magically a brilliant argument when talking about higher taxes. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 29, 2019 16:04:42 GMT
You sound like one of your year 6 kids It's simple enough that even they can figure it out Have you not taught them about money management, process control, reduction of waste etc. yet though |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 16:05:51 GMT
My prediction. GE not going to happen. Labour pushing for amendments which they know the Government couldn't support so they'll pull the bill. We trundle on towards January 31st. Don't need Labour with SNP and Lib-dems. All it needs is a majority of 1! Labour had to say they want it faced with a probability it would pass anyway! Deputy Speaker Hoyle doesn't have to choose the amendments. Just a straight, old fashioned election. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 29, 2019 16:05:55 GMT
Well, because it needs more than that. How much more? Serious question. £1 billion every 48 hours? Every 24 hours? How much will it need in 50 years? Or 100 years time? £3 Billion a day?? Stop treating illegal immigrants and health tourists for free as a starting point, why are we picking up the bills for them ? |
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Post by Northy on Oct 29, 2019 16:07:24 GMT
How much more? Serious question. £1 billion every 48 hours? Every 24 hours? How much will it need in 50 years? Or 100 years time? £3 Billion a day?? Sorry jump in but the monetary values you're giving are obfuscating the point really - the size of the number doesn't really prove anything in itself in monetary form. UK population has increased 10% in last ten years and as per link so has NHS spending give or take: www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget However, that doesn’t take into account inflation and for a large part of that period spending increased by c.1% in comparison to average 3.5% since its inception. I’d say spending needs to increase in line with population growth in real terms or services will continue to go backwards. In usual times when majority of the population growth is through working tax paying migrants, along with the money they have to pay to access the NHS at the outset, should mean the increase in population doesn't negatively affect services unless that is the impression that the government wishes to portray. Sure the US trade deals involving their pharmaceuticals will help no end. you also need to add in the obscene PFI payments that Blair saddled it with, which are yet to peak |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 16:07:55 GMT
Why would EU nationals be given the vote in a domestic election? Anyone suggesting this is purely vote rigging. Countries with 16 year old voting age in general elections.... Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, Malta and Nicaragua. Never going to happen. It is EU Nationals who live here and pay taxes into the kitty.....why shouldn't they have a vote? Vote rigging is when you try to prevent students from voting. So what. When I work abroad I pay into their kitty but they don't give me a vote in general elections. Students can register at home and at uni or request a postal vote. Typical Labour tin hat thinking. |
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Post by Davef on Oct 29, 2019 16:09:07 GMT
Why should EU citizens have a vote !! Become a British citizen then vote away until then no. Because they pay taxes. If you lived, worked and paid taxes in France, Spain, Germany, Italy or anywhere else in the EU, would you be able to vote in their domestic elections? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 16:11:58 GMT
It's simple enough that even they can figure it out Have you not taught them about money management, process control, reduction of waste etc. yet though Where I work they don't need money management to be honest. They'll get daddy to sort it for them. But really, in any system there is waste, so a government saying 'we'll stop waste' is bollocks. The NHS probably does have waste, but it also has a huge lack of funding to vital services. NHS employees say themselves they don't want a top-down reshuffle again, they want more funding, more hospitals, more staff and more equipment. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 29, 2019 16:12:48 GMT
"There is nothing illegal about their arrangements." Serious question Mo how much extra tax do you pay? HMRC take cheques and you can over pay so how extra do you send? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 16:15:55 GMT
How much more? Serious question. £1 billion every 48 hours? Every 24 hours? How much will it need in 50 years? Or 100 years time? £3 Billion a day?? Stop treating illegal immigrants and health tourists for free as a starting point, why are we picking up the bills for them ? Health tourism costs nowt. |
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