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Post by mattyd on Nov 21, 2019 16:23:17 GMT
LET THE COUNTRY DECIDE...
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Post by foster on Nov 21, 2019 16:25:35 GMT
They don’t care about debt, as john Maynard Keynes said, ”in the long run we’re all dead” the ironic thing about Labours policies is they’re supposed to help the less well off, but, in the long run they’re going to be terrible for that demographic when the long term consequences hit, and they will. Labours policies will just make everyone poorer. 100% right. The austerity measures we will need to fix the Armageddon they will plunge us into will effect virtually all of us. Next two years will probably see us going into recession in any case. Doesn't matter who is in charge. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2019 16:26:59 GMT
I just dont know what people are so scared about regarding Labour.The tories have and are constantly lying about absolutely everything so in truth you dont know what to believe. As in Labours case they are promising to attempt to put right what the tories have done and of course it will come at a cost but what do expect.Under the tories their only option is to tax the people as they have no other income.Under Labour they propose to hit the wealthy ,buy back some businesses in to public ownership which will in turn in the long run benefit the people as government will have more flexibility and money to put back into society. And then people get scared about the debt ,they should be more scared about putting a decent dinner on their families plates,jobs,higher wages all of which are killing SOT .Lowest wages of any city in the UK and people think the tories are going to pout right what they have in turn done to the city.Other cities of similar ilk to Stoke are also suffering but not as much as ours. Stoke-on-Trent north has been a Labour constituency since before my Parents we're born. Regardless of who runs the government, local MP's have a duty to support their own people within said constituencies and unfortunately, Labour have done fuck all for us. And that is including when Labour were the majority government. For the past dozen years or so the tories have been in control in the city more than Labour. You cannot compare the present Labour opposition to Blairs ,thy are a totally different beast. tory =Johnson-May-Thatcher-Heath all have damaged the country and this city. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 16:38:32 GMT
Might come in handy for the second referendum... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 16:53:15 GMT
Stoke-on-Trent north has been a Labour constituency since before my Parents we're born. Regardless of who runs the government, local MP's have a duty to support their own people within said constituencies and unfortunately, Labour have done fuck all for us. And that is including when Labour were the majority government. For the past dozen years or so the tories have been in control in the city more than Labour. You cannot compare the present Labour opposition to Blairs ,thy are a totally different beast. tory =Johnson-May-Thatcher-Heath all have damaged the country and this city. Did Labour damage the country and this city in the late 70's? |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2019 16:54:46 GMT
`Corbyn is at Fenton town hall tomorrow at 10.30
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2019 16:57:56 GMT
For the past dozen years or so the tories have been in control in the city more than Labour. You cannot compare the present Labour opposition to Blairs ,thy are a totally different beast. tory =Johnson-May-Thatcher-Heath all have damaged the country and this city. Did Labour damage the country and this city in the late 70's? In what respect? |
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2019 17:04:10 GMT
Jess Philips doesn't seem to agree, it's more of a wish list that you hope some get done, think she'll be getting a rap across the knuckles? If Jess Phillips is unhappy that's usually a good barometer that Labour have got things right...... But how can you tell if she is or not with her dulcet tone |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 21, 2019 17:09:49 GMT
They don’t care about debt, as john Maynard Keynes said, ”in the long run we’re all dead” the ironic thing about Labours policies is they’re supposed to help the less well off, but, in the long run they’re going to be terrible for that demographic when the long term consequences hit, and they will. Labours policies will just make everyone poorer. 100% right. The austerity measures we will need to fix the Armageddon they will plunge us into will effect virtually all of us. Project Fear  |
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2019 17:11:02 GMT
Priti Vacant at it again. Poverty not down to Government now. The deep distaste this apalling woman has for the less well off is sickening. Interesting the BBC have deleted this video as well. Twats. Well having no money and a massive deficit and a huge recession as well as having no gold reserves to spend either when taking office isn't going to help, and it was a coalition for 5 years and Tories now for 4, so where do they keep getting this 10 years of Tory Government from ? It' many factors that have got us to where we are now and not just these last few years. |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2019 17:29:07 GMT
`Corbyn is at Fenton town hall tomorrow at 10.30 Cool. I'll be at work. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 17:38:19 GMT
Labour manifesto here read for yourself don't let the tory boys lie to you !! edit. you can also download the costing's from this site unlike the lying tories who are relying on the magic money tree yet again!! The thing is, i know the tories are lying shits, most people take it as a given, but, philosophically, i cannot support labour as I genuinely think their policies would bring the nation to its knees, it may not be immediate (or maybe it will ?) but, as ive previously said, they'll go after rich folk to fund all their policies and attempt to "redistribute the wealth", all that will happen is the rich folk that stick around will either get less wealthy (and thus, eventually have less wealth to tax) or simply move their assets elsewhere where the government can't get their hands on it, then where will the money come from to pay for all these big government programs ?... the middle class will end up burdened by it, and history shows, you destroy the middle class and you'll destroy the country, state socialism doesn't work and its terrible for the less well off. High corporation taxes will just be counter productive as studies have shown the higher they go (above 28%) the less revenue you bring in, plus why would we want to scare off investors with high taxes at a time when we leave the EU ? we need to be as attractive as we can. by the way, the costings is not worth reading or debating, government programs always come in over cost, its a sodding joke at this point. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 17:43:52 GMT
Btw the tories are basically socialist-lite at this point anyway, they're bad enough, if we went full state socialism this nation will turn into a moribund power, services will be shit, massive strikes, shit piling up in the street you name it... and who's ready for rationed broadband ?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 21, 2019 17:44:09 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 21, 2019 18:13:19 GMT
They don’t care about debt, as john Maynard Keynes said, ”in the long run we’re all dead” the ironic thing about Labours policies is they’re supposed to help the less well off, but, in the long run they’re going to be terrible for that demographic when the long term consequences hit, and they will. Labours policies will just make everyone poorer. 100% right. The austerity measures we will need to fix the Armageddon they will plunge us into will effect virtually all of us. The bankers had us over. Any other expenditure was just pocket money. £@#& the bankers & Their mate Bonzo... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 18:13:28 GMT
Did Labour damage the country and this city in the late 70's? In what respect? The Winter of Discontent? Was that the Tories? |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 21, 2019 18:14:31 GMT
Btw the tories are basically socialist-lite at this point anyway, they're bad enough, if we went full state socialism this nation will turn into a moribund power, services will be shit, massive strikes, shit piling up in the street you name it... and who's ready for rationed broadband ? Ok Boomer |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 18:17:41 GMT
I see Jezza is buying the students again. Oh, and thanks for giving us another "final say" on the Brexit. Fucking shameless.
I actually don't mind some Labour policies, but I can't support them due to their "stance" on Brexit.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 18:22:28 GMT
see chlorinated chicken Johnson is to frit!!
Channel 4 News presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy, who was due to host a debate between party leaders on Sunday, says it's been cancelled because talks with Boris Johnson fell through.
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Post by chad on Nov 21, 2019 18:24:06 GMT
I just dont know what people are so scared about regarding Labour. Jeremy Corbyn Jim McDonnel ,Dianne Abbot The thought of them in charge of the country scares the shit out of me |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 18:27:53 GMT
Btw the tories are basically socialist-lite at this point anyway, they're bad enough, if we went full state socialism this nation will turn into a moribund power, services will be shit, massive strikes, shit piling up in the street you name it... and who's ready for rationed broadband ? Ok Boomer breadlines or iPads, choose wisely. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 18:32:45 GMT
Krishnan Guru-Murthy Retweeted Louisa Compton
Boris Johnson said he was in favour of debates and his team have been in detailed talks with us for weeks about format and rules right up until yesterday. They insisted they were engaged and wanted to take on Jeremy Corbyn on our channel. Corbyn said yes. Offer still stands.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy added,
Louisa ComptonVerified account @louisa_compton
Gutted we’ve had to cancel a planned Leaders debate on @channel4 for this Sunday. @jeremycorbyn had agreed to take part but, after many weeks of intense discussion, we were unable to secure agreement from @borisjohnson team. @krishgm wld have presented 1/2
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a lot of calls for him to be empty chaired and also the tories running scared after gove interview last night1
he's a liar a racist a chlorinated chicken and frit!! get them out of power vote tactically vote against the tory candidate in your area for whoever has the best chance to oust them!! stop this fool from being the pm for 5 more years!!!
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2019 18:34:13 GMT
Corbyn’s campaign and manifesto is based on a fraud
Still the man will not tell us how he is going to negotiate this great brexit deal with not telling us how labour will campaign
The reality is the EU will give us a deal ten times worse than mays because they know that labour will campaign for remain anyway.
If Corbyn actually told us the truth half his voters would desert him hence him keeping quiet
Like I said a fraud.
It’s a brexit election wether he likes it or not. You can’t take him seriously over anything else until he comes clean.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 18:34:28 GMT
I just dont know what people are so scared about regarding Labour. Jeremy Corbyn Jim McDonnel ,Dianne Abbot The thought of them in charge of the country scares the shit out of me SO Johnson and his right wing lying nutcases give you confidence !! |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 18:37:45 GMT
Corbyn’s campaign and manifesto is based on a fraud Still the man will not tell us how he is going to negotiate this great brexit deal with not telling us how labour will campaign The reality is the EU will give us a deal ten times worse than mays because they know that labour will campaign for remain anyway. If Corbyn actually told us the truth half his voters would desert him hence him keeping quiet Like I said a fraud. It’s a brexit election wether he likes it or not. You can’t take him seriously over anything else until he comes clean. as a few have pointed out a negotiation is just that a negotiation and how the hell can you decide on how to vote on it till you know whats on offer! |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 21, 2019 18:41:58 GMT
Corbyn’s campaign and manifesto is based on a fraud Still the man will not tell us how he is going to negotiate this great brexit deal with not telling us how labour will campaign The reality is the EU will give us a deal ten times worse than mays because they know that labour will campaign for remain anyway. If Corbyn actually told us the truth half his voters would desert him hence him keeping quiet Like I said a fraud. It’s a brexit election wether he likes it or not. You can’t take him seriously over anything else until he comes clean. It's amazing how he thinks he can come up with a brand new Brexit deal in the space of 3 months, he's fucking delusional. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2019 18:42:27 GMT
Corbyn’s campaign and manifesto is based on a fraud Still the man will not tell us how he is going to negotiate this great brexit deal with not telling us how labour will campaign The reality is the EU will give us a deal ten times worse than mays because they know that labour will campaign for remain anyway. If Corbyn actually told us the truth half his voters would desert him hence him keeping quiet Like I said a fraud. It’s a brexit election wether he likes it or not. You can’t take him seriously over anything else until he comes clean. as a few have pointed out a negotiation is just that a negotiation and how the hell can you decide on how to vote on it till you know whats on offer! Totally different point. Corbyn should be telling us A. I will negotiate a great deal and campaign for it in line with the referendum result B. I will negotiate a great deal but campaign for remain because that’s our party position. Option a May suit some labour leavers Option b causes most labour leavers to not vote labour because the see the fraud. It cannot be a good deal if you campaign against at your own deal At least jo Swinson is open about her anti democratic stance. This policy alone causes labour to lose |
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Post by chad on Nov 21, 2019 18:47:39 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn Jim McDonnel ,Dianne Abbot The thought of them in charge of the country scares the shit out of me SO Johnson and his right wing lying nutcases give you confidence !! I’m confident they won’t bankrupt the Nation |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 18:47:43 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn Jim McDonnel ,Dianne Abbot The thought of them in charge of the country scares the shit out of me SO Johnson and his right wing lying nutcases give you confidence !! As i've just said, most people accept that Johnson and his people are far from perfect, its not about the personalities its about the philosophy of the labour lot, their answer to everything is higher taxes or nationalisation, they're big state socialist authoritarians who despise private property rights, they would change this country for the worse if they got into power, and as we leave the eu we need to attract investment, not push it away with punitive high taxes which in the end the people of this country will pay for, not the corporations or big businesses, get ready for higher prices then price controls and thus shortages, this isn't scaremongering, it will be a reality, we've seen it before. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 18:48:18 GMT
Corbyn’s campaign and manifesto is based on a fraud Still the man will not tell us how he is going to negotiate this great brexit deal with not telling us how labour will campaign The reality is the EU will give us a deal ten times worse than mays because they know that labour will campaign for remain anyway. If Corbyn actually told us the truth half his voters would desert him hence him keeping quiet Like I said a fraud. It’s a brexit election wether he likes it or not. You can’t take him seriously over anything else until he comes clean. He has no guts whatsoever. OK, Labour is mostly Remain, but why not say he is at heart a Leaver, or even that he was but has reluctantly changed his mind? The audacity of him saying that he will give the public the final say! We already did that, Jezza. He doesn't even see the irony of the statement. That screams delusional thinking to me. If Labour has such great policies, why do we need to be in the EU? Are they a comfort blanket and someone to blame if it all goes wrong again? He could have been a hero, but as you say, he is looking like a fraud and a coward. |
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