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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 13:26:26 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend. They don’t care about debt, as john Maynard Keynes said, ”in the long run we’re all dead” the ironic thing about Labours policies is they’re supposed to help the less well off, but, in the long run they’re going to be terrible for that demographic when the long term consequences hit, and they will. Labours policies will just make everyone poorer. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:27:58 GMT
Spoil your ballot paper then, it's the democratic thing to do...... What if he doesn't want to vote Labour? 😜 It was the "I'm disenfranchised.....I don't trust any of them" bit that gave it away mate.....  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:32:24 GMT
If you're coming to that conclusion without looking at the manifesto that is entirely up to you of course..... Your only arguement is to so far imply nobody else knows anything, has read nothing and they're ignorant in a typical sarcastic and belittling left-wing way. Have a bit of substance to you. He stated that he actually spoke to a Labour Member on his door step and you're saying that it doesn't matter what the canvasser said to his face, because GeneralFaye may or may not of read a document. Tell him he didn't even know what he voted for in the first place as you lot normally do while you're at it. I didn't say that at all, but someone canvassing before the manifesto is out isn't going to be able to give detailed information on policy and costings until they're announced are they? If that was a week's time I would absolutely expect them to have at least a basic understanding of what's on offer or they shouldn't be knocking on doors and speaking to people. But I had a Lib Dem canvasser knock on the door on Saturday morning who said they were trying to gauge how people would be voting, when I politely said "Not Lib Dem although I did vote for them under Charles Kennedy" she walked off without engaging. It happens rightly or wrongly. Not sure what you mean by "you lot", you sound angry to be honest are you ok? |
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 13:47:32 GMT
Your only arguement is to so far imply nobody else knows anything, has read nothing and they're ignorant in a typical sarcastic and belittling left-wing way. Have a bit of substance to you. He stated that he actually spoke to a Labour Member on his door step and you're saying that it doesn't matter what the canvasser said to his face, because GeneralFaye may or may not of read a document. Tell him he didn't even know what he voted for in the first place as you lot normally do while you're at it. I didn't say that at all, but someone canvassing before the manifesto is out isn't going to be able to give detailed information on policy and costings until they're announced are they? If that was a week's time I would absolutely expect them to have at least a basic understanding of what's on offer or they shouldn't be knocking on doors and speaking to people. But I had a Lib Dem canvasser knock on the door on Saturday morning who said they were trying to gauge how people would be voting, when I politely said "Not Lib Dem although I did vote for them under Charles Kennedy" she walked off without engaging. It happens rightly or wrongly. Not sure what you mean by "you lot", you sound angry to be honest are you ok? You did say it, just not in those words and you know full well what you implied with your reply. I also didnt realise the manifesto was completely thought of just today. The canvassers would of been prepared obviously, their manifesto has been debated by the party for weeks, possibly even months. As a paying member of a political party, you get to engage in these kind of decisions. Canvassers will be paying members of the Labour party, and therefore will have had some knowledge of what their parties beliefs are and how they'll execute a number of those beliefs into society etc, otherwise how can they ask you to vote for them? I mean by you lot, "The left". I'm not angry though, I just find it slightly embarrassing how you and other left wing voters sneer at anyone else's political views and brand them uneducated on matters, either directly or, as was the case with yourself, subliminally. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 14:03:29 GMT
Massive Redistribution of wealth sounds like a great idea on paper, but in practice it will just result in the overall pie getting smaller, This is why big governments always fail, it destroys that which sustains it, once you’ve soaked the rich and milked them via high taxes where does the money come from ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 14:12:09 GMT
I didn't say that at all, but someone canvassing before the manifesto is out isn't going to be able to give detailed information on policy and costings until they're announced are they? If that was a week's time I would absolutely expect them to have at least a basic understanding of what's on offer or they shouldn't be knocking on doors and speaking to people. But I had a Lib Dem canvasser knock on the door on Saturday morning who said they were trying to gauge how people would be voting, when I politely said "Not Lib Dem although I did vote for them under Charles Kennedy" she walked off without engaging. It happens rightly or wrongly. Not sure what you mean by "you lot", you sound angry to be honest are you ok? You did say it, just not in those words and you know full well what you implied with your reply. I also didnt realise the manifesto was completely thought of just today. The canvassers would of been prepared obviously, their manifesto has been debated by the party for weeks, possibly even months. As a paying member of a political party, you get to engage in these kind of decisions. Canvassers will be paying members of the Labour party, and therefore will have had some knowledge of what their parties beliefs are and how they'll execute a number of those beliefs into society etc, otherwise how can they ask you to vote for them? I mean by you lot, "The left". I'm not angry though, I just find it slightly embarrassing how you and other left wing voters sneer at anyone else's political views and brand them uneducated on matters, either directly or, as was the case with yourself, subliminally. I'll let GeneralFaye decide whether he thought I was sneering and branding him uneducated, but I most certainly wasn't. It has nothing to do with political views, I would say the same to anyone of any political persuasion. If you want to get an understanding of what a party stands for in an election campaign read the manifesto...... |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 14:41:11 GMT
Priti Vacant at it again. Poverty not down to Government now. The deep distaste this apalling woman has for the less well off is sickening. Interesting the BBC have deleted this video as well. Twats. List the top 5 reasons for poverty. This government This government This government This government and oh yes this government !!! |
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 15:00:01 GMT
List the top 5 reasons for poverty. This government This government This government This government and oh yes this government !!! Nothing to do with Labour forcing us into a recession then? 🙈😂 |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 15:05:47 GMT
Labour manifesto here read for yourself don't let the tory boys lie to you !! edit. you can also download the costing's from this site unlike the lying tories who are relying on the magic money tree yet again!!
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 15:21:34 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 15:25:35 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2019 15:27:20 GMT
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 15:27:39 GMT
Labour manifesto here read for yourself don't let the tory boys lie to you !! edit. you can also download the costing's from this site unlike the lying tories who are relying on the magic money tree yet again!! Just curious. And I really hope you can answer this without your bright red binoculars on. Do you think, that raising Corporation tax by 7pct is going to encourage businesses, foreign or domestically owned, to invest further in the UK and boost our economy, OR will they say bollocks to paying that much more in tax and set up elsewhere costing jobs up and down the country, aswell as the government losing out on the current 19% tax they pay into our system? (Which we so badly need to pay for everything Jeremov Corbynski has promised) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 15:36:00 GMT
Labour manifesto here read for yourself don't let the tory boys lie to you !! edit. you can also download the costing's from this site unlike the lying tories who are relying on the magic money tree yet again!! Just curious. And I really hope you can answer this without your bright red binoculars on. Do you think, that raising Corporation tax by 7pct is going to encourage businesses, foreign or domestically owned, to invest further in the UK and boost our economy, OR will they say bollocks to paying that much more in tax and set up elsewhere costing jobs up and down the country, aswell as the government losing out on the current 19% tax they pay into our system? (Which we so badly need to pay for everything Jeremov Corbynski has promised) They probably won't be moving to China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, India, Phillipines, Brazil, Mexico or Canada where the corporation tax or domestic equivalent would be almost identical (or in some cases more) than what Labour are proposing...... |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 15:40:44 GMT
This government This government This government This government and oh yes this government !!! Nothing to do with Labour forcing us into a recession then? 🙈😂 how many times do we have to tell you the recession was caused by sub prime loans in America and tory bankers buying this toxic debt and putting the whole banking system at risk and labour having to come in and bail them out!! |
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 15:42:37 GMT
Just curious. And I really hope you can answer this without your bright red binoculars on. Do you think, that raising Corporation tax by 7pct is going to encourage businesses, foreign or domestically owned, to invest further in the UK and boost our economy, OR will they say bollocks to paying that much more in tax and set up elsewhere costing jobs up and down the country, aswell as the government losing out on the current 19% tax they pay into our system? (Which we so badly need to pay for everything Jeremov Corbynski has promised) They probably won't be moving to China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, India, Phillipines, Brazil, Mexico or Canada where the corporation tax or domestic equivalent would be almost identical (or in some cases more) than what Labour are proposing...... For anyone that is interested, there is 2 countries out of those you listed that would actually pay the same, or more than the 26% proposed by Labour. TYPICAL LABOUR BULLSHIT. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 15:49:12 GMT
They probably won't be moving to China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, India, Phillipines, Brazil, Mexico or Canada where the corporation tax or domestic equivalent would be almost identical (or in some cases more) than what Labour are proposing...... For anyone that is interested, there is 2 countries out of those you listed that would actually pay the same, or more than the 26% proposed by Labour. TYPICAL LABOUR BULLSHIT. They're all 25% or above, and it's not 2 that are more than 26% (Germany has a system whereby Corporation Tax is 15% but with municipal charges it totals between 30-33%, Japan has an additional 4.4% local corporate charge on top of the 24% etc.) Up until 2011 throughout our history corporation tax has been 26% or above. You think a company will move lock stock and barrel over 1%? I doubt it...... |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 21, 2019 15:49:20 GMT
Just curious. And I really hope you can answer this without your bright red binoculars on. Do you think, that raising Corporation tax by 7pct is going to encourage businesses, foreign or domestically owned, to invest further in the UK and boost our economy, OR will they say bollocks to paying that much more in tax and set up elsewhere costing jobs up and down the country, aswell as the government losing out on the current 19% tax they pay into our system? (Which we so badly need to pay for everything Jeremov Corbynski has promised) They probably won't be moving to China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, India, Phillipines, Brazil, Mexico or Canada where the corporation tax or domestic equivalent would be almost identical (or in some cases more) than what Labour are proposing...... But the cost of personal would be considerably less in China India Brazil Mexico Indonesia Ect that is currently off set by cheaper corporation tax You raise uk tax to the above countries level and then there cheaper labour comes into play |
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 15:53:32 GMT
They probably won't be moving to China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, India, Phillipines, Brazil, Mexico or Canada where the corporation tax or domestic equivalent would be almost identical (or in some cases more) than what Labour are proposing...... But the cost of personal would be considerably less in China India Brazil Mexico Indonesia Ect that is currently off set by cheaper corporation tax You raise uk tax to the above countries level and then there cheaper labour comes into play Much cheaper seen as Labour will be raising the minimum wage that companies will have to pay to its workers in this country, whilst only being able to work them for 32 hours a week. Completely missing the bigger picture mate, pissing in the wind. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2019 15:57:32 GMT
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Post by pearo on Nov 21, 2019 15:57:51 GMT
Nothing to do with Labour forcing us into a recession then? 🙈😂 how many times do we have to tell you the recession was caused by sub prime loans in America and tory bankers buying this toxic debt and putting the whole banking system at risk and labour having to come in and bail them out!! How many times do we have to tell you that the recession was caused by John Prescott spending £20 billion on a NHS computer system that never saw the light of day, Gordon Brown selling the nation’s gold reserve at rock bottom prices and Tony Bliar taking the nation into an illegal war. Do you remember the note “ The money has all gone” |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 15:57:54 GMT
They probably won't be moving to China, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, India, Phillipines, Brazil, Mexico or Canada where the corporation tax or domestic equivalent would be almost identical (or in some cases more) than what Labour are proposing...... But the cost of personal would be considerably less in China India Brazil Mexico Indonesia Ect that is currently off set by cheaper corporation tax You raise uk tax to the above countries level and then there cheaper labour comes into play How do other countries with a 25%/26% tax manage then just out of interest? |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 21, 2019 15:59:36 GMT
International Trade Secretary Liz Truss was challenged over her party's record on housing on BBC Politics Live earlier.
Asked how many of the 200,000 new homes promised as part of a government schemes announced in 2014 were actually built, Ms Truss said she didn't have the exact numbers.
But the BBC's Andrew Neil pointed out it wasn't difficult to remember the figure - as it was zero.
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Post by mattyd on Nov 21, 2019 16:07:48 GMT
She is confident that she will get 70% of her own constituents votes come the election. But prays to god no one else gets more. The idea that this woman could be in charge of the country’s security or the country’s finances or the country’s NHS is just unbelievable. How on earth did the Labour Party come to this |
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Post by mattyd on Nov 21, 2019 16:09:42 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend. They don’t care about debt, as john Maynard Keynes said, ”in the long run we’re all dead” the ironic thing about Labours policies is they’re supposed to help the less well off, but, in the long run they’re going to be terrible for that demographic when the long term consequences hit, and they will. Labours policies will just make everyone poorer. 100% right. The austerity measures we will need to fix the Armageddon they will plunge us into will effect virtually all of us. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2019 16:10:31 GMT
I just dont know what people are so scared about regarding Labour.The tories have and are constantly lying about absolutely everything so in truth you dont know what to believe. As in Labours case they are promising to attempt to put right what the tories have done and of course it will come at a cost but what do expect.Under the tories their only option is to tax the people as they have no other income.Under Labour they propose to hit the wealthy ,buy back some businesses in to public ownership which will in turn in the long run benefit the people as government will have more flexibility and money to put back into society.
And then people get scared about the debt ,they should be more scared about putting a decent dinner on their families plates,jobs,higher wages all of which are killing SOT .Lowest wages of any city in the UK and people think the tories are going to pout right what they have in turn done to the city.Other cities of similar ilk to Stoke are also suffering but not as much as ours.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 21, 2019 16:13:32 GMT
They don’t care about debt, as john Maynard Keynes said, ”in the long run we’re all dead” the ironic thing about Labours policies is they’re supposed to help the less well off, but, in the long run they’re going to be terrible for that demographic when the long term consequences hit, and they will. Labours policies will just make everyone poorer. 100% right. The austerity measures we will need to fix the Armageddon they will plunge us into will effect virtually all of us. 100% horse shit. When people who want to remain speak they are scaremongers. Who is doing the scaremongering now. Twist and crawl. |
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Post by mattyd on Nov 21, 2019 16:21:30 GMT
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Post by mattyd on Nov 21, 2019 16:22:37 GMT
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 16:23:05 GMT
I just dont know what people are so scared about regarding Labour.The tories have and are constantly lying about absolutely everything so in truth you dont know what to believe. As in Labours case they are promising to attempt to put right what the tories have done and of course it will come at a cost but what do expect.Under the tories their only option is to tax the people as they have no other income.Under Labour they propose to hit the wealthy ,buy back some businesses in to public ownership which will in turn in the long run benefit the people as government will have more flexibility and money to put back into society. And then people get scared about the debt ,they should be more scared about putting a decent dinner on their families plates,jobs,higher wages all of which are killing SOT .Lowest wages of any city in the UK and people think the tories are going to pout right what they have in turn done to the city.Other cities of similar ilk to Stoke are also suffering but not as much as ours. Stoke-on-Trent north has been a Labour constituency since before my Parents we're born. Regardless of who runs the government, local MP's have a duty to support their own people within said constituencies and unfortunately, Labour have done fuck all for us. And that is including when Labour were the majority government. |
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Stiil propping up the banks fella. 
