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Post by thevoid on Nov 21, 2019 18:49:15 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn Jim McDonnel ,Dianne Abbot The thought of them in charge of the country scares the shit out of me SO Johnson and his right wing lying nutcases give you confidence !! Lesser of two evils. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2019 18:55:21 GMT
Krishnan Guru-Murthy Retweeted Louisa Compton Boris Johnson said he was in favour of debates and his team have been in detailed talks with us for weeks about format and rules right up until yesterday. They insisted they were engaged and wanted to take on Jeremy Corbyn on our channel. Corbyn said yes. Offer still stands. Krishnan Guru-Murthy added, Louisa ComptonVerified account @louisa_compton Gutted we’ve had to cancel a planned Leaders debate on @channel4 for this Sunday. @jeremycorbyn had agreed to take part but, after many weeks of intense discussion, we were unable to secure agreement from @borisjohnson team. @krishgm wld have presented 1/2 Show this thread 9:30 am - 21 Nov 2019 a lot of calls for him to be empty chaired and also the tories running scared after gove interview last night1 he's a liar a racist a chlorinated chicken and frit!! get them out of power vote tactically vote against the tory candidate in your area for whoever has the best chance to oust them!! stop this fool from being the pm for 5 more years!!! Channel 4 have themselves to blame, Jon Snow fuck the tories, murphy with his fawning selfie with Jezza and their head of news saying they have to call Boris a liar why go somewhere that will try and stitch him up. |
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 21, 2019 18:55:38 GMT
SO Johnson and his right wing lying nutcases give you confidence !! I’m confident they won’t bankrupt the Nation They did it before and will again they will tax the life out of the country and borrow beyond their means and who pays.... |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2019 18:56:39 GMT
SO Johnson and his right wing lying nutcases give you confidence !! Lesser of two evils. I'd have said the lesser of evil and incompetent and just incompetent but thats me  |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 21, 2019 19:03:27 GMT
Corbyn’s campaign and manifesto is based on a fraud Still the man will not tell us how he is going to negotiate this great brexit deal with not telling us how labour will campaign The reality is the EU will give us a deal ten times worse than mays because they know that labour will campaign for remain anyway. If Corbyn actually told us the truth half his voters would desert him hence him keeping quiet Like I said a fraud. It’s a brexit election wether he likes it or not. You can’t take him seriously over anything else until he comes clean. But seriously, What other choice do we have. Joris🤣 |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 21, 2019 19:08:01 GMT
SO Johnson and his right wing lying nutcases give you confidence !! Lesser of two evils. It’s not though is it. It’s the bully telling you what to do & just accepting it cause you’re too scared to fight back. Bonzo is a vile right wing bully, who believes the monarchy is beyond reproach. If that’s not the enemy of democracy I don’t know what is. |
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 21, 2019 19:10:13 GMT
The choice is clear it's either vote for economic growth from the Tories or for economic destruction and theft from Labour.
Labour plan to take 10% of every company with 250 employees or more and give it to the workers. They cant sell the shares though so how that benefits them is beyond me.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 19:23:52 GMT
And votes for EU citizens and 16 year olds.
That should fix the final say. Salop is right, Corbyn is a fraud. Benn and Foot will be spinning in their graves.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Nov 21, 2019 20:07:35 GMT
Even as someone who hates everything about this current Tory government, some of those firgues in the labour manifesto are bloody huge.
Would recommend reading each manifesto and some of the factchecking that comes with them ( make sure you choose the factchecker wisely) 😂
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 21, 2019 20:12:30 GMT
Even as someone who hates everything about this current Tory government, some of those firgues in the labour manifesto are bloody huge. Would recommend reading each manifesto and some of the factchecking that comes with them ( make sure you choose the factchecker wisely) 😂 Those greedy billionaires who labour hate so much will be the same people borrowing them 400billion not sure they will lol I have a feeling the interest rate will be horrific. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 21, 2019 20:15:26 GMT
Labour's Bedroom Tax....
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Nov 21, 2019 20:18:36 GMT
Even as someone who hates everything about this current Tory government, some of those firgues in the labour manifesto are bloody huge. Would recommend reading each manifesto and some of the factchecking that comes with them ( make sure you choose the factchecker wisely) 😂 Those greedy billionaires who labour hate so much will be the same people borrowing them 400billion not sure they will lol I have a feeling the interest rate will be horrific. I mean I think it’s perfectly reasonable to tax people who have that much more as they’re currently getting away with murder. You’ve also got to bear in mind that this Tory government have made victims of a lot of people who are either vulnerable or on low incomes |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2019 20:20:51 GMT
as a few have pointed out a negotiation is just that a negotiation and how the hell can you decide on how to vote on it till you know whats on offer! Totally different point. Corbyn should be telling us A. I will negotiate a great deal and campaign for it in line with the referendum result B. I will negotiate a great deal but campaign for remain because that’s our party position. Option a May suit some labour leavers Option b causes most labour leavers to not vote labour because the see the fraud. It cannot be a good deal if you campaign against at your own deal At least jo Swinson is open about her anti democratic stance. This policy alone causes labour to lose If this manifesto is as reckless as some people say and if Corbyn's Brexit policy is so open to ridicule, you'd think Johnson would literally be falling over himself in his haste to ask him similar questions on Channel 4 this Sunday. He's pulled out like a pussy. Strange that isn't it? |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 21, 2019 20:22:15 GMT
It’s not though is it. It’s the bully telling you what to do & just accepting it cause you’re too scared to fight back. Bonzo is a vile right wing bully, who believes the monarchy is beyond reproach. If that’s not the enemy of democracy I don’t know what is. What is your definition of democracy now ? refusing to accept the result of a democratic once in a lifetime referendum is that democracy ? |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2019 20:45:24 GMT
Totally different point. Corbyn should be telling us A. I will negotiate a great deal and campaign for it in line with the referendum result B. I will negotiate a great deal but campaign for remain because that’s our party position. Option a May suit some labour leavers Option b causes most labour leavers to not vote labour because the see the fraud. It cannot be a good deal if you campaign against at your own deal At least jo Swinson is open about her anti democratic stance. This policy alone causes labour to lose If this manifesto is as reckless as some people say and if Corbyn's Brexit policy is so open to ridicule, you'd think Johnson would literally be falling over himself in his haste to ask him similar questions on Channel 4 this Sunday. He's pulled out like a pussy. Strange that isn't it? His brexit policy doesn’t need more ridicule. It’s in the manifesto in black n white  |
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Post by redstriper on Nov 21, 2019 20:52:42 GMT
Those greedy billionaires who labour hate so much will be the same people borrowing them 400billion not sure they will lol I have a feeling the interest rate will be horrific. I mean I think it’s perfectly reasonable to tax people who have that much more as they’re currently getting away with murder. You’ve also got to bear in mind that this Tory government have made victims of a lot of people who are either vulnerable or on low incomes For each billionaire that leaves (and they will if corbyn gets in and starts targeting them) assuming they pay similar tax to the coates family at 156 million pa - labour will need to up the tax bill to 52,000 middle income families by £3,000 each just to make up the shortfall. Plus they would be taking their export income and 4000 stoke jobs with them, their investment in the club and all the spin off businesses, and their charitable foundations. Another cracking labour idea that would be an absolute disaster for the country as a whole and this city in particular. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 21, 2019 20:52:56 GMT
If this manifesto is as reckless as some people say and if Corbyn's Brexit policy is so open to ridicule, you'd think Johnson would literally be falling over himself in his haste to ask him similar questions on Channel 4 this Sunday. He's pulled out like a pussy. Strange that isn't it? His brexit policy doesn’t need more ridicule. It’s in the manifesto in black n white Johnson doesn’t need the debate to bolster his position. Which is why he won’t do it. He gains nothing from it. It’s not a question of courage, but strategy. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2019 21:01:02 GMT
His brexit policy doesn’t need more ridicule. It’s in the manifesto in black n white Johnson doesn’t need the debate to bolster his position. Which is why he won’t do it. He gains nothing from it. It’s not a question of courage, but strategy. Corbyn had ample chance to say we believe and respect the vote but think we can get a better deal for you. Repeatedley asked by Boris Basically it said we are giving you a choice of remain or whatever shit we can get. And labour don’t want the deal anyway The rest of the manifesto becomes white noise |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2019 21:08:10 GMT
His brexit policy doesn’t need more ridicule. It’s in the manifesto in black n white Johnson doesn’t need the debate to bolster his position. Which is why he won’t do it. He gains nothing from it. It’s not a question of courage, but strategy. You'd have thought he'd be chomping at the bit to take on this manifesto. The reality is the Tories are just offering more of the same. Rinse and repeat the past 9 years for the next five. The same people gaining, the same people falling behind. Beyond Brexit they have nothing. Not a good look against the most radical set of policies proposed in generations. The strategy is get brexit done and nothing past that. Any deviation from that ground and the Tories are scared shitless. Hope versus Drudgery and fear. |
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Post by lommack on Nov 21, 2019 21:11:17 GMT
His brexit policy doesn’t need more ridicule. It’s in the manifesto in black n white Johnson doesn’t need the debate to bolster his position. Which is why he won’t do it. He gains nothing from it. It’s not a question of courage, but strategy. I heard the Tory manifesto is being unleashed on the poor, sick and vulnerable on Sunday? You'd have thought he would have been shouting it from the roof tops? Perhaps a little bit too much information for his mammoth intellect to handle. Either that or Cummings has sundays off |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 21, 2019 21:15:22 GMT
It’s not though is it. It’s the bully telling you what to do & just accepting it cause you’re too scared to fight back. Bonzo is a vile right wing bully, who believes the monarchy is beyond reproach. If that’s not the enemy of democracy I don’t know what is. What is your definition of democracy now ? refusing to accept the result of a democratic once in a lifetime referendum is that democracy ? Has Bonzo promised you Brexit or something else... |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 21, 2019 21:16:42 GMT
Johnson doesn’t need the debate to bolster his position. Which is why he won’t do it. He gains nothing from it. It’s not a question of courage, but strategy. You'd have thought he'd be chomping at the bit to take on this manifesto. The reality is the Tories are just offering more of the same. Rinse and repeat the past 9 years for the next five. The same people gaining, the same people falling behind. Beyond Brexit they have nothing. Not a good look against the most radical set of policies proposed in generations. The strategy is get brexit done and nothing past that. Any deviation from that ground and the Tories are scared shitless. Hope versus Drudgery and fear. If he, or rather DC, thought he needed to do it, he would. But if they think he doesn’t he won’t. It simply a question of strategy. Of course, they may be wrong. Corbyn could well benefit from this as he did two years ago. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 21, 2019 21:18:24 GMT
What is your definition of democracy now ? refusing to accept the result of a democratic once in a lifetime referendum is that democracy ? Has Bonzo promised you Brexit or something else... He hasn't promised me anything  however the Marxist brothers have promised everyone free broadband  |
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Post by foster on Nov 21, 2019 21:20:30 GMT
I’m confident they won’t bankrupt the Nation They did it before and will again they will tax the life out of the country and borrow beyond their means and who pays.... Great to hear the argument that public services grow on trees. |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 21, 2019 21:24:27 GMT
It’s not though is it. It’s the bully telling you what to do & just accepting it cause you’re too scared to fight back. Bonzo is a vile right wing bully, who believes the monarchy is beyond reproach. If that’s not the enemy of democracy I don’t know what is. Bath mate, give up while you can. |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 21, 2019 21:25:29 GMT
Has Bonzo promised you Brexit or something else... He hasn't promised me anything however the Marxist brothers have promised everyone free broadband Free broad band???????? No such thing as free. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 21:28:32 GMT
Its a testament to the power of party politics that we have the same people who have been warning about a big brother society arguing in favour of government run broadband service! i mean, comon! ... they must know that even if saint Corbyn and his benevolent band of comrades implements this at some point their political enemy will be in control of it ? have to say out of all labours bad ideas this has to be the worst, not only will it fuck the market up and cost taxpayers way more than they estimate, we'll have shit broadband and it will be in the control of the state! just an awful idea... hands off the internet you authoritarian scumbags!
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 21, 2019 21:31:48 GMT
And votes for EU citizens and 16 year olds. That should fix the final say. Salop is right, Corbyn is a fraud. Benn and Foot will be spinning in their graves. He's a fuck off big dangerous fraud. He'll fuck this country up if allowed. Thankfully he won't get the chance. Corbyn is finished. |
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Post by foster on Nov 21, 2019 21:36:57 GMT
It’s not though is it. It’s the bully telling you what to do & just accepting it cause you’re too scared to fight back. Bonzo is a vile right wing bully, who believes the monarchy is beyond reproach. If that’s not the enemy of democracy I don’t know what is. Bath mate, give up while you can. He's right though isn't he? Are you a Boris fanboy? I mean, you already showed your right wing colours yesterday, and your heartless comments the day before about letting people with cancer die just to save a few quid. I'm wondering what more you have to offer the conversation? |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 21:38:46 GMT
what i hate the most about this labour party is they're forcing me to vote Tory even though i don't really want to, they're war mongering, corporatist neo-liberals and I'll hate myself for it but they'll do less damage than labour will with their awful stale, state socialism which i don't think benefits anyone in the long run, its all about damage limitation for me now. We're in desperate need of new dynamic political parties.
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however the Marxist brothers have promised everyone free broadband 
