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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 21, 2019 11:15:39 GMT
Priti Vacant at it again. Poverty not down to Government now. The deep distaste this apalling woman has for the less well off is sickening. Interesting the BBC have deleted this video as well. Twats. List the top 5 reasons for poverty. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2019 11:16:06 GMT
I don't know the current thinking but the probation service in general used to be in favour of legalisation because they saw it as a slippery slope to harder drugs, then petty crime, then prostitution, then organised crime snd associated family issues etc. They believed that legalisation would drcriminalise and give it some control. I once worked with a school deputy head of s school who was sure that synthetic cannabis use had changed her son psychotically from which he never really recovered. I think that many people will think it wrong that the way to deal with a " problem" is to legalise it. I can't relate to the LibDems whatsoever but I guess that it is bold of them at least to open up the debate. I used to be an ardent advocate of legalisation but the older i get and the more damage i see it does to people I'm not sure anymore, whatever the law is it must be coherent, what we have now is pretty much the worst of both worlds, maybe it should be put to a referendum then we can have a proper debate on this issue .... or maybe not  I'm all for referendums... perhaps a good Idea if we honour the result though |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 21, 2019 11:36:52 GMT
I used to be an ardent advocate of legalisation but the older i get and the more damage i see it does to people I'm not sure anymore, whatever the law is it must be coherent, what we have now is pretty much the worst of both worlds, maybe it should be put to a referendum then we can have a proper debate on this issue .... or maybe not  I'm all for referendums... perhaps a good Idea if we honour the result though Labour have said if they were in power they'd strike a great deal to buy all the equipment & land to grow cannabis, but they'd then campaign against it's legalisation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 12:06:47 GMT
Priti Vacant at it again. Poverty not down to Government now. The deep distaste this apalling woman has for the less well off is sickening. Interesting the BBC have deleted this video as well. Twats. List the top 5 reasons for poverty. 1. Smoking. 2. SKY TV. 3. Laziness. 4. Fast food. 5. I Phone's and I Pad's. Obviously......... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 12:08:19 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend. Read the manifesto mate. They say it's costed independently. That's what they're produced for....... |
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 21, 2019 12:09:59 GMT
So JC wants to buy back Royal Mail because they are made to walk too fast and that's not on. So he wants less productivity to make more money while paying more wages. Even I would think of getting a job under Labour max of 4 days work but not a hard days work a nice cushy job that's not too taxing on me. Deliver one letter each then go home I'll vote for him now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2019 12:15:17 GMT
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 12:20:04 GMT
I don't know the current thinking but the probation service in general used to be in favour of legalisation because they saw it as a slippery slope to harder drugs, then petty crime, then prostitution, then organised crime snd associated family issues etc. They believed that legalisation would drcriminalise and give it some control. I once worked with a school deputy head of s school who was sure that synthetic cannabis use had changed her son psychotically from which he never really recovered. I think that many people will think it wrong that the way to deal with a " problem" is to legalise it. I can't relate to the LibDems whatsoever but I guess that it is bold of them at least to open up the debate. I used to be an ardent advocate of legalisation but the older i get and the more damage i see it does to people I'm not sure anymore, whatever the law is it must be coherent, what we have now is pretty much the worst of both worlds, maybe it should be put to a referendum then we can have a proper debate on this issue .... or maybe not I'd be incredibly interested to know what damages it does, and what evidence of the supposed damages you could share with us. Legalisation of Cannabis, either containing THC or mostly CBD, is right around the corner for this country. As soon as they find a way to substantially tax it (As LibDems are proposing). If Labour werent trying to please everybody, they could see the amount of money it would generate for the Country, and use that to actually pay for their ludicrous manifesto (Which currently includes borrowing an eye-watering amount of money in typical Labour non-chalant fashion). If this City is really made up of working class people, Labour shouldn't be touched with a barge-pole. |
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Post by thequietman on Nov 21, 2019 12:30:12 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend. Read the manifesto mate. They say it's costed independently. That's what they're produced for....... I've really been pondering who to vote for. Seems so many reasons not to vote for any particular candidate / party and very few positives re who to vote for.
Given that it's one of the safest seats in the country for our incumbent MP (Hilary Benn) I've been much of a mind to spoil my ballot paper.
Now I've decided I shall do exactly that ... unless I hear a particular quote from a candidate. If any one of them says on tv "I like your manifesto, put it to the testo" they'll get my vote. Seems as good a reason as any.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 12:34:11 GMT
Read the manifesto mate. They say it's costed independently. That's what they're produced for....... I've really been pondering who to vote for. Seems so many reasons not to vote for any particular candidate / party and very few positives re who to vote for. Given that it's one of the safest seats in the country for our incumbent MP (Hilary Benn) I've been much of a mind to spoil my ballot paper. Now I've decided I shall do exactly that ... unless I hear a particular quote from a candidate. If any one of them says on tv "I like your manifesto, put it to the testo" they'll get my vote. Seems as good a reason as any.
Takes 20 minutes to run the rule over a manifesto mate and a bit longer if you want to delve into the specifics. Haven't seen Labour's yet but will look at it, started to look at the the Lib Dems last night but I find the "Stop Brexit" slush fund of £50b a bit spurious to say the least...... |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2019 12:36:24 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2019 12:38:45 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend. Jess Philips doesn't seem to agree, it's more of a wish list that you hope some get done, think she'll be getting a rap across the knuckles? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 12:39:17 GMT
Notice I said "they say" not "I say". Because I haven't read it yet. Probably best aiming your extreme right wing Guido Fawkes links at the Labour Party not me...... |
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2019 12:39:35 GMT
Lib undems lying again  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 12:40:00 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend. Jess Philips doesn't seem to agree, it's more of a wish list that you hope some get done, think she'll be getting a rap across the knuckles? If Jess Phillips is unhappy that's usually a good barometer that Labour have got things right...... |
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Post by thequietman on Nov 21, 2019 12:46:38 GMT
I've really been pondering who to vote for. Seems so many reasons not to vote for any particular candidate / party and very few positives re who to vote for. Given that it's one of the safest seats in the country for our incumbent MP (Hilary Benn) I've been much of a mind to spoil my ballot paper. Now I've decided I shall do exactly that ... unless I hear a particular quote from a candidate. If any one of them says on tv "I like your manifesto, put it to the testo" they'll get my vote. Seems as good a reason as any.
Takes 20 minutes to run the rule over a manifesto mate and a bit longer if you want to delve into the specifics. Haven't seen Labour's yet but will look at it, started to look at the the Lib Dems last night but I find the "Stop Brexit" slush fund of £50b a bit spurious to say the least...... Being serious, there's positives in every manifesto Prestwich. And negatives too, of course, depending on your viewpoints.
But I take them all very much with a pinch of salt. They might give a flavour of a particular party's intentions but the hard fact is that they're electioneering documents. Not exactly irrelevant, but large parts of manifestos even from winning parties are then either conveniently forgotten about or not given debating time / motions in parliament, let alone becoming law.
If I was in a more marginal constituency, I'd certain take a deeper interest. What I've seen and heard so far puts me off every single party, though. This time around I'll stick with the spoil / Sultans of Ping F.C. option.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2019 12:55:50 GMT
Notice I said "they say" not "I say". Because I haven't read it yet. Probably best aiming your extreme right wing Guido Fawkes links at the Labour Party not me...... Extreme right wing rofl. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 21, 2019 13:02:57 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend. Read the manifesto mate. They say it's costed independently. That's what they're produced for....... I had a Labour twat on my doorstep a couple of hours ago, normally I would slam the door in their face but I asked him how they're going to fund all these grand policies and the complete off the cuff waffle that came out of his mouth was laughable, like he wasn't expecting to be challenged. I'm no Tory, but Labour are so far from the answer imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:08:57 GMT
Read the manifesto mate. They say it's costed independently. That's what they're produced for....... I had a Labour twat on my doorstep a couple of hours ago, normally I would slam the door in their face but I asked him how they're going to fund all these grand policies and the complete off the cuff waffle that came out of his mouth was laughable, like he wasn't expecting to be challenged. I'm no Tory, but Labour are so far from the answer imo. If you're coming to that conclusion without looking at the manifesto that is entirely up to you of course..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:13:29 GMT
Notice I said "they say" not "I say". Because I haven't read it yet. Probably best aiming your extreme right wing Guido Fawkes links at the Labour Party not me...... Extreme right wing rofl. You keep on reading it, says a lot to be fair..... |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 21, 2019 13:14:34 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 13:15:44 GMT
Read the manifesto mate. They say it's costed independently. That's what they're produced for....... I had a Labour twat on my doorstep a couple of hours ago, normally I would slam the door in their face but I asked him how they're going to fund all these grand policies and the complete off the cuff waffle that came out of his mouth was laughable, like he wasn't expecting to be challenged. I'm no Tory, but Labour are so far from the answer imo. I have said for years, it's good cop, bad cop. Labour give you sweeteners on public services, workers rights etc, but end up spending too much, then the Tories get in and cut public services and give you a sweetener with lower taxes. You would almost think it was deliberate. Get your rosettes here. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 21, 2019 13:16:13 GMT
I had a Labour twat on my doorstep a couple of hours ago, normally I would slam the door in their face but I asked him how they're going to fund all these grand policies and the complete off the cuff waffle that came out of his mouth was laughable, like he wasn't expecting to be challenged. I'm no Tory, but Labour are so far from the answer imo. If you're coming to that conclusion without looking at the manifesto that is entirely up to you of course..... I'm disenfranchised, I don't want to be, but I don't trust any of them unfortunately. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 13:17:14 GMT
Notice I said "they say" not "I say". Because I haven't read it yet. Probably best aiming your extreme right wing Guido Fawkes links at the Labour Party not me...... Extreme right wing rofl. Is it the little tache? 😜 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:17:34 GMT
Takes 20 minutes to run the rule over a manifesto mate and a bit longer if you want to delve into the specifics. Haven't seen Labour's yet but will look at it, started to look at the the Lib Dems last night but I find the "Stop Brexit" slush fund of £50b a bit spurious to say the least...... Being serious, there's positives in every manifesto Prestwich. And negatives too, of course, depending on your viewpoints. But I take them all very much with a pinch of salt. They might give a flavour of a particular party's intentions but the hard fact is that they're electioneering documents. Not exactly irrelevant, but large parts of manifestos even from winning parties are then either conveniently forgotten about or not given debating time / motions in parliament, let alone becoming law. If I was in a more marginal constituency, I'd certain take a deeper interest. What I've seen and heard so far puts me off every single party, though. This time around I'll stick with the spoil / Sultans of Ping F.C. option.
Absolutely. You have to make a judgement call. Do the sums add up? Do you believe that the party will follow through on their promises? Are you ideologically opposed/in agreement with what's in there. That's all you can do, but at least it's a judgement then and not "He's such a laugh I'll vote for him" or whatever ridiculous reason people have...... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:18:56 GMT
I had a Labour twat on my doorstep a couple of hours ago, normally I would slam the door in their face but I asked him how they're going to fund all these grand policies and the complete off the cuff waffle that came out of his mouth was laughable, like he wasn't expecting to be challenged. I'm no Tory, but Labour are so far from the answer imo. I have said for years, it's good cop, bad cop. Labour give you sweeteners on public services, workers rights etc, but end up spending too much, then the Tories get in and cut public services and give you a sweetener with lower taxes. You would almost think it was deliberate. Get your rosettes here. Never see a Tory canvasser in the 13 years I've lived at my current house. We get Labour, Lib Dems and Greens every time, even had the Brexit Party this year which was fun for 5 minutes...... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:19:42 GMT
If you're coming to that conclusion without looking at the manifesto that is entirely up to you of course..... I'm disenfranchised, I don't want to be, but I don't trust any of them unfortunately. Spoil your ballot paper then, it's the democratic thing to do...... |
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Post by Rip Roaring Potter on Nov 21, 2019 13:21:46 GMT
I had a Labour twat on my doorstep a couple of hours ago, normally I would slam the door in their face but I asked him how they're going to fund all these grand policies and the complete off the cuff waffle that came out of his mouth was laughable, like he wasn't expecting to be challenged. I'm no Tory, but Labour are so far from the answer imo. If you're coming to that conclusion without looking at the manifesto that is entirely up to you of course..... Your only arguement is to so far imply nobody else knows anything, has read nothing and they're ignorant in a typical sarcastic and belittling left-wing way. Have a bit of substance to you. He stated that he actually spoke to a Labour Member on his door step and you're saying that it doesn't matter what the canvasser said to his face, because GeneralFaye may or may not of read a document. Tell him he didn't even know what he voted for in the first place as you lot normally do while you're at it. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 13:21:48 GMT
I'm disenfranchised, I don't want to be, but I don't trust any of them unfortunately. Spoil your ballot paper then, it's the democratic thing to do...... What if he doesn't want to vote Labour? 😜 |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 21, 2019 13:23:14 GMT
I'm disenfranchised, I don't want to be, but I don't trust any of them unfortunately. Spoil your ballot paper then, it's the democratic thing to do...... The democratic thing to do... well, isn't that an interesting phrase to use going on current events |
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