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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2019 22:29:55 GMT
You were never a leave voter, why the bullshit? It's s good angle though Numpty to argue fir Remain... predictable but good, well perhaps not..... just part of the " we've changed our mind " movement It's a tedious example of patronising the 'people who didn't know what they were voting for'. Tiresome. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 22:30:13 GMT
No such thing as a hard or soft BREXIT. The referendum was designed to make a decision in or out... not to make a " proportional divide"....all the talk about soft and hard is simply Remainers not accepting the result. If the result had been Remain by a 50 vote majority that would have been the end of the matter And this is where we will absolutely have to agree to disagree. I would recommend you look at all the statements issued before the referendum made by Farage, Johnson, Gove etc.. and if you still hold that opinion then there is no give in your opinion. Happy to disagree |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 20, 2019 22:30:39 GMT
I'm not sure that leavers do have a clearer view, once we have separated the "gerrit done" brigade there is a split on the spectrum of how "hard" do we come out. However for me, I would say 2016 leave voting me would have very much been in favour of hard brexit but that was then. I'm not sure if I got a letter or not, you may tell me every household got one if so then I will have done but I dont recall. 2019 me, this is where it probably gets more tricky as I feel I have a much clearer understanding of the implication of Brexit. I would want access to the SM as I dont think the CU would give us the ease of access to overseas labour we would need to currently support our industries and health services. No border(s) on the isle of Ireland. So in answer to your question I think I would lean towards very soft if it now has to be done. In favour of the Euro? - No idea, dont know enough about the impacts of accepting a "new" currency to have an opinion on it. You were never a leave voter, why the bullshit? I was 25 years old and didnt take kindly to Obama throwing his weight around. I believed we should stand on our own 2 feet as an independent nation. I voted to leave. Over the past 18 months I have spent much longer looking into things like the isle of Ireland, what the SM means and the impacts I personally feel will happen. I've changed my mind (yes it can and does happen) I dng expect you to change yours pr would question which way you voted. I would recommend you to look at both sides though and if you still feel the same then great, if not then welcome to my own unique feeling of enlightenment. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 22:36:55 GMT
Any thoughts on the LibDems legalisation of Cannabis ( if I've understood it correctly, Haven't had a chance to look yet)?...a vote winner?
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2019 22:38:42 GMT
You were never a leave voter, why the bullshit? I was 25 years old and didnt take kindly to Obama throwing his weight around. I believed we should stand on our own 2 feet as an independent nation. I voted to leave. Over the past 18 months I have spent much longer looking into things like the isle of Ireland, what the SM means and the impacts I personally feel will happen. I've changed my mind (yes it can and does happen) I dng expect you to change yours pr would question which way you voted. I would recommend you to look at both sides though and if you still feel the same then great, if not then welcome to my own unique feeling of enlightenment. In the great scheme of things you haven't looked too deeply into things if that's your reason for your opinion change. Like I said, you're a bull shitter, enjoy. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 22:38:51 GMT
You were never a leave voter, why the bullshit? I was 25 years old and didnt take kindly to Obama throwing his weight around. I believed we should stand on our own 2 feet as an independent nation. I voted to leave. Over the past 18 months I have spent much longer looking into things like the isle of Ireland, what the SM means and the impacts I personally feel will happen. I've changed my mind (yes it can and does happen) I dng expect you to change yours pr would question which way you voted. I would recommend you to look at both sides though and if you still feel the same then great, if not then welcome to my own unique feeling of enlightenment. Irrespective of changing minds we've had a referendum and have not implemented the result....not good for democracy.... people on both sides of the divide should be concerned about that. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 20, 2019 22:45:57 GMT
I was 25 years old and didnt take kindly to Obama throwing his weight around. I believed we should stand on our own 2 feet as an independent nation. I voted to leave. Over the past 18 months I have spent much longer looking into things like the isle of Ireland, what the SM means and the impacts I personally feel will happen. I've changed my mind (yes it can and does happen) I dng expect you to change yours pr would question which way you voted. I would recommend you to look at both sides though and if you still feel the same then great, if not then welcome to my own unique feeling of enlightenment. In the great scheme of things you haven't looked too deeply into things if that's your reason for your opinion change. Like I said, you're a bull shitter, enjoy. How on earth do you come to that conclusion? |
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2019 22:56:16 GMT
I was 25 years old and didnt take kindly to Obama throwing his weight around. I believed we should stand on our own 2 feet as an independent nation. I voted to leave. Over the past 18 months I have spent much longer looking into things like the isle of Ireland, what the SM means and the impacts I personally feel will happen. I've changed my mind (yes it can and does happen) I dng expect you to change yours pr would question which way you voted. I would recommend you to look at both sides though and if you still feel the same then great, if not then welcome to my own unique feeling of enlightenment. In the great scheme of things you haven't looked too deeply into things if that's your reason for your opinion change. Like I said, you're a bull shitter, enjoy. Look at you getting all worked up and protective because BJR lost an argument. I don't agree with you so you're a bullshitter. Haha. |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 20, 2019 23:00:20 GMT
In the great scheme of things you haven't looked too deeply into things if that's your reason for your opinion change. Like I said, you're a bull shitter, enjoy. How on earth do you come to that conclusion? Just a hunch  |
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Post by pearo on Nov 20, 2019 23:09:02 GMT
Just returned home from the meet the Stoke South candidates meeting at Florence Club. The Lib Dem candidate didn’t turn up as she was busy and lives in London. There was an extended half time break because a Labour supporter threatened to kill Jack Brereton, all of which was filmed for a BBC2 documentary on inner city politics.
Other than that it was a bit of a dull evening.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 23:09:08 GMT
Needs stopping/ investigating...the rules only allow you to register for yourself.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 5:43:13 GMT
Ok so we can agree that we can question the result are you happy for MP's to scrutinise the deal that the leader of the conservative party brought back? Or do you feel that once that deal was negotiated and approved by the EU then MP's should have just voted it through regardless? It hasn't been implemented yet because Brexit is like Heinz beans with 57 varieties and I dont really think you can disagree with left leaning MP's not voting through a deal which was done to gain approval by the ERG in the right leaning conservative party, surely. The referendum question was absolutely nothing to do with deals. That's just the agenda now set by Remainers. The referendum was about leaving or remaining in the EU and the criteria of not being in the EU were made clear by both sides before the referendum..No SM, no CU , no European court jurisdiction, control of borders, laws, policies, money etc As Philip Hammond among others made clear. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 5:49:32 GMT
So in 2016 we had a democratic vote whereby the majority of voters voted to leave the EU, and now the Liberal Democrats want to smear shit all over the democratic process and cancel Brexit? How very liberal and democratic of them. And Labour want to give us a second referendum, which they promise to honour this time. Honour the first one, cunts. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2019 7:07:36 GMT
I don't know if the figures are true but if so it's financial irresponsibility... it's much easier to make decisions with other people's money.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 21, 2019 7:47:25 GMT
Any thoughts on the LibDems legalisation of Cannabis ( if I've understood it correctly, Haven't had a chance to look yet)?...a vote winner? Interesting that they didn’t go for a more limited policy of legalising use for medicinal purposes which would have broader appeal. Assuming they thought this through, this has to be a pitch for the young voters Labour are targeting because older folk are much less likely to support it. The only problem for them is whether that group care much about voting - particularly on a cold winter’s day when they could be happily stoned watching at home some shit on Netflix. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 21, 2019 7:59:42 GMT
I don't know if the figures are true but if so it's financial irresponsibility... it's much easier to make decisions with other people's money. In fairness, Corbyn is not intending to use PFI to finance his spending. However, he, and his chancellor, seem to fail to understand that debt requires financing as well as repaying. It’s not very reassuring- particularly for someone like me who believes, like Bill Clinton, that managing the economy effectively is the cornerstone of any Government. Fuck that up and everything else is fucked. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 21, 2019 8:15:12 GMT
A transition to what? Not a deal, surely?! Yes, a transition towards an arrangement, a unique one for the UK....but that is SEPARATE from the referendum question and should/ could happen after leaving... they are two separate things... Farage spoke about a holding position....if we don't get a "deal"...so be it....the current " deal" could be interpreted as a treaty that may have political and economic implications That's just typical Farage bluster and bullshit. What on earth is a "holding position"? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2019 8:27:02 GMT
Yes, a transition towards an arrangement, a unique one for the UK....but that is SEPARATE from the referendum question and should/ could happen after leaving... they are two separate things... Farage spoke about a holding position....if we don't get a "deal"...so be it....the current " deal" could be interpreted as a treaty that may have political and economic implications That's just typical Farage bluster and bullshit. What on earth is a "holding position"? A position immediately following leave ( what the referendum was about) until a more permanent arrangement can be agreed |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 21, 2019 8:30:46 GMT
I don't know if the figures are true but if so it's financial irresponsibility... it's much easier to make decisions with other people's money. The figures seem a tad low google things like pfi timebomb at the end of all that we dont even own the hospitals ! |
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Post by Davef on Nov 21, 2019 8:39:11 GMT
That's just typical Farage bluster and bullshit. What on earth is a "holding position"? A position immediately following leave ( what the referendum was about) until a more permanent arrangement can be agreed And how does he/you think that would be achieved? |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 9:40:09 GMT
Any thoughts on the LibDems legalisation of Cannabis ( if I've understood it correctly, Haven't had a chance to look yet)?...a vote winner? You can smell it everywhere you go these days, it might as well be legalised. I’ve always been of the opinion you need to either fully legalise or ban it and enforce the law properly, same for all drugs. |
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Post by felonious on Nov 21, 2019 9:50:51 GMT
Needs stopping/ investigating...the rules only allow you to register for yourself. So 850 young people were too apathetic to register to vote yet young people are screaming that old people are screwing their future up |
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Post by felonious on Nov 21, 2019 9:54:50 GMT
I don't know if the figures are true but if so it's financial irresponsibility... it's much easier to make decisions with other people's money. The figures seem a tad low google things like pfi timebomb at the end of all that we dont even own the hospitals ! ..... and this from a "prudent" Labour government. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2019 10:17:39 GMT
A position immediately following leave ( what the referendum was about) until a more permanent arrangement can be agreed And how does he/you think that would be achieved? Through genuine negotiation made in good faith I would imagine Not having a hidden agenda so that we remain |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 10:26:41 GMT
Any thoughts on the LibDems legalisation of Cannabis ( if I've understood it correctly, Haven't had a chance to look yet)?...a vote winner? You can smell it everywhere you go these days, it might as well be legalised. I’ve always been of the opinion you need to either fully legalise or ban it and enforce the law properly, same for all drugs. It's mandatory in Sneyd Green. I got stoned walking home last night. Which was nice. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2019 10:33:32 GMT
Yes, a transition towards an arrangement, a unique one for the UK....but that is SEPARATE from the referendum question and should/ could happen after leaving... they are two separate things... Farage spoke about a holding position....if we don't get a "deal"...so be it....the current " deal" could be interpreted as a treaty that may have political and economic implications That's just typical Farage bluster and bullshit. What on earth is a "holding position"? A short term, usually ninety minutes, measure. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2019 10:44:59 GMT
Priti Vacant at it again.
Poverty not down to Government now. The deep distaste this apalling woman has for the less well off is sickening.
Interesting the BBC have deleted this video as well. Twats.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 21, 2019 10:49:12 GMT
Is Labours plan to have us drowning in debt? Because I have no idea where they're finding all this supposed money they're PROMISING to spend.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2019 10:51:54 GMT
Any thoughts on the LibDems legalisation of Cannabis ( if I've understood it correctly, Haven't had a chance to look yet)?...a vote winner? You can smell it everywhere you go these days, it might as well be legalised. I’ve always been of the opinion you need to either fully legalise or ban it and enforce the law properly, same for all drugs. I don't know the current thinking but the probation service in general used to be in favour of legalisation because they saw it as a slippery slope to harder drugs, then petty crime, then prostitution, then organised crime snd associated family issues etc. They believed that legalisation would drcriminalise and give it some control. I once worked with a school deputy head of s school who was sure that synthetic cannabis use had changed her son psychotically from which he never really recovered. I think that many people will think it wrong that the way to deal with a " problem" is to legalise it. I can't relate to the LibDems whatsoever but I guess that it is bold of them at least to open up the debate. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2019 11:03:07 GMT
You can smell it everywhere you go these days, it might as well be legalised. I’ve always been of the opinion you need to either fully legalise or ban it and enforce the law properly, same for all drugs. I don't know the current thinking but the probation service in general used to be in favour of legalisation because they saw it as a slippery slope to harder drugs, then petty crime, then prostitution, then organised crime snd associated family issues etc. They believed that legalisation would drcriminalise and give it some control. I once worked with a school deputy head of s school who was sure that synthetic cannabis use had changed her son psychotically from which he never really recovered. I think that many people will think it wrong that the way to deal with a " problem" is to legalise it. I can't relate to the LibDems whatsoever but I guess that it is bold of them at least to open up the debate. I used to be an ardent advocate of legalisation but the older i get and the more damage i see it does to people I'm not sure anymore, whatever the law is it must be coherent, what we have now is pretty much the worst of both worlds, maybe it should be put to a referendum then we can have a proper debate on this issue .... or maybe not  |
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