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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2019 13:37:59 GMT
The other ones are literally votes on twitter you know like the one that saw Ramsey get goal of the season over Adam or Crouch (cant remember which), an actual poll of voters rightly gets more publicity, people are becoming deranged.... |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 20, 2019 13:38:27 GMT
I know you're a fan and I can see the appeal for people. He's a one trick pony who is desperate to remain relevant. Sturgeon is similar but I think she does have a bit more substance on other area's. The issue that you have with NF is once he is taken away from the key issue that he has harped on about for years (EU membership/Immigration) you realise that he is a castle made of sand. Education, Transport, Climate, Health, Trade, Work and Pensions etc.. it all comes crashing down. Is he a success? Maybe. Does he know how to harvest votes on the back of immigration/EU membership? Absolutely. I don't necessarily think that he is a one trick pony...he happens to have driven the biggest political issue facing the UK for a generation and in so doing has drawn attention to the heart of our nation democracy. Obviously that is what he is known for. He had exposed the others as floundering, deceitful and lacking leadership and vision. During the second world war , U guess that you could criticise Churchill fir mainly talking about the war. I'm sure like all of us he has many many faults but his message was supported by 17.4 m people....and he is the leader of the biggest party that represents us in the EU I think we have to be careful when we say 17.4m supported HIS message. 17.4m voted to leave the EU in 2016 including myself, however 3 years on and having listened much more intently I would now rather remain (appreciate I have a minority view on this). However when placing my vote to leave I could only attribute a very small part of that to the views of Nigel Farage. He has also stood to be an MP on what 7 occasions now? He has had plenty of opportunities to widen his repertoire from solely immigration and the EU but never has, which shows to me he is exactly that: one trick pony. I like your Churchill point and have never really thought of it in that way. Again I would be wary of comparing WW2, The rise of Facism and the extermination of Jews to a political referendum held amongst a backdrop of lies (on both sides) but it is one I need to think more on. I kind of agree with him about how we have a 2 party system and things need to be changed etc, I cant say I have heard what he would recommend and if we were to get away from a 2 party system we would be moving more towards multiple party coalition governments? Which would all be a bit, EU? He does represent the biggest party for the UK in the EU but it is also worth remembering that the Lib Dems are the second largest UK representatives and EU results are very very rarely indicative of how the HOC is represented so we will need to see if that bounce carry's through. But we all get 1 vote and if you like what he is about and what he represents then give him your vote, I'm kind of envious of you as I personally feel politically homeless. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 13:38:34 GMT
Swinson, without hesitation, saying she would definitely murder potentially millions of people is an odd way for her to go.
Terrifying how little thought she showed.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 20, 2019 13:44:26 GMT
Yep I went a couple of months ago waited 6 hrs told to come back to clinic 3 days later told by clinic to come back if got worse admitted 2 days later after 6 hr wait again spent time on ward where at night only 3 staff to 60 patients. all this because of understaffing and a system falling to bits under this government. The NHS is not understaffed. It's the increase of population in this country. Google what the most popular new born babies are called these days. It'll tell you all you need to know fella. And your comments tell me all I need to know about you a far right racist ! |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 20, 2019 13:59:01 GMT
If she got in and cancelled brexit by email then there would be massive civil unrest, the mask of democracy will have fully slipped off exposing this parliamentary dictatorship. If she got in then it will have been the will of the people for her to get in. It would be more anti-democratic if she didn't do what was in her manifesto. However, she won't get in - so it doesn't really matter that much. Well after the referendum the will of the people was to Leave. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 13:59:12 GMT
Swinson, without hesitation, saying she would definitely murder potentially millions of people is an odd way for her to go. Terrifying how little thought she showed. She strikes me as somewhat sociopathic. |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 20, 2019 14:01:12 GMT
oh dear oh dear !! no antisemitism in our party is there!! Amjad Bashir, Tory candidate for Leeds North East suspended over anti-Semitism !! What are you saying Joey, that someone with a name like Amjad Bashir can be Ray Ceest? 😯 Whoda thunk it? |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 20, 2019 14:01:45 GMT
Swinson, without hesitation, saying she would definitely murder potentially millions of people is an odd way for her to go. Terrifying how little thought she showed. She strikes me as somewhat sociopathic. She's a loony. |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 20, 2019 14:03:39 GMT
If she got in and cancelled brexit by email then there would be massive civil unrest, the mask of democracy will have fully slipped off exposing this parliamentary dictatorship. Doubt it. If she were to get in then it would mean most people support her. If she got in do you reckon we could we have a second election shortly after, just to double check? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 14:07:22 GMT
I don't necessarily think that he is a one trick pony...he happens to have driven the biggest political issue facing the UK for a generation and in so doing has drawn attention to the heart of our nation democracy. Obviously that is what he is known for. He had exposed the others as floundering, deceitful and lacking leadership and vision. During the second world war , U guess that you could criticise Churchill fir mainly talking about the war. I'm sure like all of us he has many many faults but his message was supported by 17.4 m people....and he is the leader of the biggest party that represents us in the EU I think we have to be careful when we say 17.4m supported HIS message. 17.4m voted to leave the EU in 2016 including myself, however 3 years on and having listened much more intently I would now rather remain (appreciate I have a minority view on this). However when placing my vote to leave I could only attribute a very small part of that to the views of Nigel Farage. He has also stood to be an MP on what 7 occasions now? He has had plenty of opportunities to widen his repertoire from solely immigration and the EU but never has, which shows to me he is exactly that: one trick pony. I like your Churchill point and have never really thought of it in that way. Again I would be wary of comparing WW2, The rise of Facism and the extermination of Jews to a political referendum held amongst a backdrop of lies (on both sides) but it is one I need to think more on. I kind of agree with him about how we have a 2 party system and things need to be changed etc, I cant say I have heard what he would recommend and if we were to get away from a 2 party system we would be moving more towards multiple party coalition governments? Which would all be a bit, EU? He does represent the biggest party for the UK in the EU but it is also worth remembering that the Lib Dems are the second largest UK representatives and EU results are very very rarely indicative of how the HOC is represented so we will need to see if that bounce carry's through. But we all get 1 vote and if you like what he is about and what he represents then give him your vote, I'm kind of envious of you as I personally feel politically homeless. We could Look back on any vote in history, analyse it to death, decide people voted for different reasons etc. ...and then try to justify ignoring the result. The only people questioning the result are Remainers because they are unable yo accept that they didn't get their own way. The entitled.There is no groundswell of leaver opinion who are arguing that the result should be ignored...just Remainers. ..the real disgrace is that the biggest democratic exercise in British history has been ignored and there are attempts to thwart it ....the cause of any problems that we have at the moment rests at the door of Remainers. Farage was the biggest single politician who argued for and got the referendum and then went on to win it. Of course some will attempt to rewrite history. To be honest I'm not particularly bothered what happens to Farage and the BREXIT party...but the is saying what many people want to hear...the only reason he does not have more support is because we have been inculcated into believing in the two party system and often are forced to vote in one direction simply because we are convinced to fear the other lot ...eg Boris is a threat to the NHS. Jeremy is a disaster for the economy. I only bring Farage into this particular debate in terms of Leadership quality. I have no problem with referring to the second world war, it happened |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 20, 2019 14:08:19 GMT
If she got in then it will have been the will of the people for her to get in. It would be more anti-democratic if she didn't do what was in her manifesto. However, she won't get in - so it doesn't really matter that much. Well after the referendum the will of the people was to Leave. Yep, and we are leaving - unless the people decide to vote for a party that says otherwise. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2019 14:11:36 GMT
Swinson, without hesitation, saying she would definitely murder potentially millions of people is an odd way for her to go. Terrifying how little thought she showed. Its literally been a standard question for I don't know how many years, there are only two answers Yes or I would scrap all of our nuclear weapons (or three if you include the corbyn plan to use trident as taxis pro tip lucky 7 would be cheaper mate). Her answer is irrelevant she will never be PM. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 14:22:39 GMT
Swinson, without hesitation, saying she would definitely murder potentially millions of people is an odd way for her to go. Terrifying how little thought she showed. Its literally been a standard question for I don't know how many years, there are only two answers Yes or I would scrap all of our nuclear weapons (or three if you include the corbyn plan to use trident as taxis pro tip lucky 7 would be cheaper mate). Her answer is irrelevant she will never be PM. To say yes, with no hesitation whatsoever, no nuance or thought, to a question like that is the sign of someone who is either a maniac or doesn't understand what they are saying yes to. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 20, 2019 14:30:02 GMT
If she got in and cancelled brexit by email then there would be massive civil unrest, the mask of democracy will have fully slipped off exposing this parliamentary dictatorship. Doubt it. If she were to get in then it would mean most people support her. Probably not 'most people' in our FPTP system |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2019 14:51:18 GMT
Its literally been a standard question for I don't know how many years, there are only two answers Yes or I would scrap all of our nuclear weapons (or three if you include the corbyn plan to use trident as taxis pro tip lucky 7 would be cheaper mate). Her answer is irrelevant she will never be PM. To say yes, with no hesitation whatsoever, no nuance or thought, to a question like that is the sign of someone who is either a maniac or doesn't understand what they are saying yes to. Again it really is a Yes or I will scrap the nuclear weapons answer, ok you might want some description of the exact circumstances however I am pretty certain by saying yes she does not mean she will use then if someone says her bum looks big in that skirt or its the wrong time of the month or if England get knocked out of the Euros on a dodgy decision, it would only be if another country had launched or was about to launch them at the UK. Anyway its not Jo Swinson you need to worry about its AI programs start watching the terminator films and taking notes but ignore 4 and 5  |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Nov 20, 2019 14:59:48 GMT
Yep I went a couple of months ago waited 6 hrs told to come back to clinic 3 days later told by clinic to come back if got worse admitted 2 days later after 6 hr wait again spent time on ward where at night only 3 staff to 60 patients. all this because of understaffing and a system falling to bits under this government. The NHS is not understaffed. It's the increase of population in this country. Google what the most popular new born babies are called these days. It'll tell you all you need to know fella. An increase in population means more money (through taxes) and more staff for the NHS. Blaming the increasing population for the problems of the NHS is like a shop owner blaming his bankruptcy on his shop being too busy for him to process all of the money coming in on his own. He obviously should have invested in expanding and hiring in line with his popularity, just like the government should have increased funding and access in line with the population growth. They obviously thought it was an area that they could have recouped a few pennies and it's gone to shit. Similar to the police. Don't let them convince you that it's the fault of immigrants though. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2019 15:11:24 GMT
Tony Benn once said that he was leaving Parliament to spend more time in politics. Farage has been one of the major figures in UK politics over the last 5 years, leading with his chin. He is a EU MEP, not many people are also in our Parliament. I referred to Farage in this instance purely in terms of leadership qualities , determination, clarity.. .he leaves the others standing..... admittedly only when a person actually gets into power do we see what they are really like. Farage isn't leaving parliament, he's refusing to enter. I think the general public refused his entry. On seven different occasions. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2019 15:11:34 GMT
The NHS is not understaffed. It's the increase of population in this country. Google what the most popular new born babies are called these days. It'll tell you all you need to know fella. An increase in population means more money (through taxes) and more staff for the NHS. Blaming the increasing population for the problems of the NHS is like a shop owner blaming his bankruptcy on his shop being too busy for him to process all of the money coming in on his own. He obviously should have invested in expanding and hiring in line with his popularity, just like the government should have increased funding and access in line with the population growth. They obviously thought it was an area that they could have recouped a few pennies and it's gone to shit. Similar to the police. Don't let them convince you that it's the fault of immigrants though. How many new housing estates have you seen pop up the last ten years. Loads. Everywhere. How many of them come with a primary school or doctors surgery Not many. Add the increased population. Not enough extra facilities have been built to accommodate them. Housing schools hospitals etc. This is a problem that labour and Tory have equal blame |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 15:13:25 GMT
I can understand Morrison's/ anywhere having a policy of " no political/ religious/ other canvassing etc on their private premises and we do not know what happened before this. It could equally apply to the Bollox to Brexit party.....but I think that the guards could have dealt with it in a better manner.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 20, 2019 15:14:14 GMT
To say yes, with no hesitation whatsoever, no nuance or thought, to a question like that is the sign of someone who is either a maniac or doesn't understand what they are saying yes to. Again it really is a Yes or I will scrap the nuclear weapons answer, ok you might want some description of the exact circumstances however I am pretty certain by saying yes she does not mean she will use then if someone says her bum looks big in that skirt or its the wrong time of the month or if England get knocked out of the Euros on a dodgy decision, it would only be if another country had launched or was about to launch them at the UK. Anyway its not Jo Swinson you need to worry about its AI programs start watching the terminator films and taking notes but ignore 4 and 5  All you need to do is watch Terminator 3. The day a female cybernetic organism is sent back in time to ensure an AI defense network is activated, we are fucked  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 15:24:38 GMT
Farage isn't leaving parliament, he's refusing to enter. I think the general public refused his entry. On seven different occasions. Actually Sheikh this criticism of Farage always amuses me in the BREXIT debate. He has been elected to a higher Parliament, the EU Parliament, for 30 years. Either the EU is important or it isn't, has precedence or doesn't. And he leads the biggest Uk party in that Parliament. If " Leavers/ EU supporters" had a marojity we wouldn't hear the end of it and they'd have a point. For someone like Farage to get elected to Parliament would be s big ask.... it's much easier to say Diane Abbott or Rees Mogg to be elected to their safe seats.,. whether they've influenced British politics as much as Farage is a different question. Your genuine quest for fairness and justice we will never get anywhere until we break the two party system. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2019 15:45:33 GMT
I think the general public refused his entry. On seven different occasions. Actually Sheikh this criticism of Farage always amuses me in the BREXIT debate. He has been elected to a higher Parliament, the EU Parliament, for 30 years. Either the EU is important or it isn't, has precedence or doesn't. And he leads the biggest Uk party in that Parliament. If " Leavers/ EU supporters" had a marojity we wouldn't hear the end of it and they'd have a point. For someone like Farage to get elected to Parliament would be s big ask.... it's much easier to say Diane Abbott or Rees Mogg to be elected to their safe seats.,. whether they've influenced British politics as much as Farage is a different question. Your genuine quest for fairness and justice we will never get anywhere until we break the two party system. There's no doubt he's influenced debate in this country and can be (not always) an effective operator but despite standing in some of the biggest 'leave' seats in the country over the years the public have always given him the bird when it comes to being an MP. That woman was right last night him taking his salary and claiming amongst the top expenses in the European Parliament just exposes him for the hypocrite he is. Does he wear a bib when he gets on the gravy train? |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 20, 2019 15:48:00 GMT
I think we have to be careful when we say 17.4m supported HIS message. 17.4m voted to leave the EU in 2016 including myself, however 3 years on and having listened much more intently I would now rather remain (appreciate I have a minority view on this). However when placing my vote to leave I could only attribute a very small part of that to the views of Nigel Farage. He has also stood to be an MP on what 7 occasions now? He has had plenty of opportunities to widen his repertoire from solely immigration and the EU but never has, which shows to me he is exactly that: one trick pony. I like your Churchill point and have never really thought of it in that way. Again I would be wary of comparing WW2, The rise of Facism and the extermination of Jews to a political referendum held amongst a backdrop of lies (on both sides) but it is one I need to think more on. I kind of agree with him about how we have a 2 party system and things need to be changed etc, I cant say I have heard what he would recommend and if we were to get away from a 2 party system we would be moving more towards multiple party coalition governments? Which would all be a bit, EU? He does represent the biggest party for the UK in the EU but it is also worth remembering that the Lib Dems are the second largest UK representatives and EU results are very very rarely indicative of how the HOC is represented so we will need to see if that bounce carry's through. But we all get 1 vote and if you like what he is about and what he represents then give him your vote, I'm kind of envious of you as I personally feel politically homeless. We could Look back on any vote in history, analyse it to death, decide people voted for different reasons etc. ...and then try to justify ignoring the result. The only people questioning the result are Remainers because they are unable yo accept that they didn't get their own way. The entitled.There is no groundswell of leaver opinion who are arguing that the result should be ignored...just Remainers. ..the real disgrace is that the biggest democratic exercise in British history has been ignored and there are attempts to thwart it ....the cause of any problems that we have at the moment rests at the door of Remainers. Farage was the biggest single politician who argued for and got the referendum and then went on to win it. Of course some will attempt to rewrite history. To be honest I'm not particularly bothered what happens to Farage and the BREXIT party...but the is saying what many people want to hear...the only reason he does not have more support is because we have been inculcated into believing in the two party system and often are forced to vote in one direction simply because we are convinced to fear the other lot ...eg Boris is a threat to the NHS. Jeremy is a disaster for the economy. I only bring Farage into this particular debate in terms of Leadership quality. I have no problem with referring to the second world war, it happened I would say they have a right to question that result though don't they? They have a right to hold all the promises to scrutiny. I also dont think we can say that it has bee ignored it has held centre stage on the news for the past 3 and half years. This whole argument that MP's have thwarted the will of the people is nonsense. Yes they stood on a manifesto to implement Brexit but as it is with Brexit it comes down to the "type" of Brexit that is on offer. To expect MP's to vote through any old tosh is unrealistic. The amount of vitriol thrown at some MP's who have voted against this deal because it either to "right" or "not right enough" is ridiculous really. However when a second reading is approved and then pulled because of the amendments that would have no doubt been tagged on it tells you everything you need to know about the deal itself. What thay does give though, to people such as Johnson and NF is a golden bullet for soundbite bingo: Denying the will of the people Get Brexit done Dither and delay Clean break The list is endless and resonates with people because as you rightly pointed out it is "what people want to hear" and so we have the rise of populism and round and round we're going to go. As before I do like your Churchill reference on WW2 and nobody is denying it happened. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 16:20:04 GMT
Actually Sheikh this criticism of Farage always amuses me in the BREXIT debate. He has been elected to a higher Parliament, the EU Parliament, for 30 years. Either the EU is important or it isn't, has precedence or doesn't. And he leads the biggest Uk party in that Parliament. If " Leavers/ EU supporters" had a marojity we wouldn't hear the end of it and they'd have a point. For someone like Farage to get elected to Parliament would be s big ask.... it's much easier to say Diane Abbott or Rees Mogg to be elected to their safe seats.,. whether they've influenced British politics as much as Farage is a different question. Your genuine quest for fairness and justice we will never get anywhere until we break the two party system. There's no doubt he's influenced debate in this country and can be (not always) an effective operator but despite standing in some of the biggest 'leave' seats in the country over the years the public have always given him the bird when it comes to being an MP. That woman was right last night him taking his salary and claiming amongst the top expenses in the European Parliament just exposes him for the hypocrite he is. Does he wear a bib when he gets on the gravy train? Personally I don't think that he is a hypocrite. He is doing the exact job that Brexiteers expect of him in the EU....to be an almost lone voice in questioning the project .... it's all the others who are excited to be on the gravy train and are revelling in their role" long may it continue" they cry... Farage is trying to stop it ...as much as his opponents try to undermine his stance. As I've said it bis difficult to get elected unless you are in the main 3 parties..... elected often through fear. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 16:24:11 GMT
We could Look back on any vote in history, analyse it to death, decide people voted for different reasons etc. ...and then try to justify ignoring the result. The only people questioning the result are Remainers because they are unable yo accept that they didn't get their own way. The entitled.There is no groundswell of leaver opinion who are arguing that the result should be ignored...just Remainers. ..the real disgrace is that the biggest democratic exercise in British history has been ignored and there are attempts to thwart it ....the cause of any problems that we have at the moment rests at the door of Remainers. Farage was the biggest single politician who argued for and got the referendum and then went on to win it. Of course some will attempt to rewrite history. To be honest I'm not particularly bothered what happens to Farage and the BREXIT party...but the is saying what many people want to hear...the only reason he does not have more support is because we have been inculcated into believing in the two party system and often are forced to vote in one direction simply because we are convinced to fear the other lot ...eg Boris is a threat to the NHS. Jeremy is a disaster for the economy. I only bring Farage into this particular debate in terms of Leadership quality. I have no problem with referring to the second world war, it happened I would say they have a right to question that result though don't they? They have a right to hold all the promises to scrutiny. I also dont think we can say that it has bee ignored it has held centre stage on the news for the past 3 and half years. This whole argument that MP's have thwarted the will of the people is nonsense. Yes they stood on a manifesto to implement Brexit but as it is with Brexit it comes down to the "type" of Brexit that is on offer. To expect MP's to vote through any old tosh is unrealistic. The amount of vitriol thrown at some MP's who have voted against this deal because it either to "right" or "not right enough" is ridiculous really. However when a second reading is approved and then pulled because of the amendments that would have no doubt been tagged on it tells you everything you need to know about the deal itself. What thay does give though, to people such as Johnson and NF is a golden bullet for soundbite bingo: Denying the will of the people Get Brexit done Dither and delay Clean break The list is endless and resonates with people because as you rightly pointed out it is "what people want to hear" and so we have the rise of populism and round and round we're going to go. As before I do like your Churchill reference on WW2 and nobody is denying it happened. Nothing wrong with questioning a result, everything wrong with not implementing it. Never been done previously in a modern democracy.... possibly has in a developing country. The country, particularly the underdog, will suffer the most. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2019 16:35:17 GMT
I can understand Morrison's/ anywhere having a policy of " no political/ religious/ other canvassing etc on their private premises and we do not know what happened before this. It could equally apply to the Bollox to Brexit party.....but I think that the guards could have dealt with it in a better manner. I suspect one security guard will be looking for new employment soon. Disgraceful behaviour. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 16:35:35 GMT
Actually Sheikh this criticism of Farage always amuses me in the BREXIT debate. He has been elected to a higher Parliament, the EU Parliament, for 30 years. Either the EU is important or it isn't, has precedence or doesn't. And he leads the biggest Uk party in that Parliament. If " Leavers/ EU supporters" had a marojity we wouldn't hear the end of it and they'd have a point. For someone like Farage to get elected to Parliament would be s big ask.... it's much easier to say Diane Abbott or Rees Mogg to be elected to their safe seats.,. whether they've influenced British politics as much as Farage is a different question. Your genuine quest for fairness and justice we will never get anywhere until we break the two party system. There's no doubt he's influenced debate in this country and can be (not always) an effective operator but despite standing in some of the biggest 'leave' seats in the country over the years the public have always given him the bird when it comes to being an MP. had he ran as a conservative he probably would have been elected to parliament, people take the piss but it's not easy as a member of a minor party to break the monopoly of the main parties, not only is the system rigged towards them but also the public play along with it because they assume minor parties don't have a chance so its basically a wasted vote, all things considered he's done pretty damn well despite never being elected to parliament, in fact he might not have been as influential inside the system as he has been outside it. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 20, 2019 16:40:32 GMT
I would say they have a right to question that result though don't they? They have a right to hold all the promises to scrutiny. I also dont think we can say that it has bee ignored it has held centre stage on the news for the past 3 and half years. This whole argument that MP's have thwarted the will of the people is nonsense. Yes they stood on a manifesto to implement Brexit but as it is with Brexit it comes down to the "type" of Brexit that is on offer. To expect MP's to vote through any old tosh is unrealistic. The amount of vitriol thrown at some MP's who have voted against this deal because it either to "right" or "not right enough" is ridiculous really. However when a second reading is approved and then pulled because of the amendments that would have no doubt been tagged on it tells you everything you need to know about the deal itself. What thay does give though, to people such as Johnson and NF is a golden bullet for soundbite bingo: Denying the will of the people Get Brexit done Dither and delay Clean break The list is endless and resonates with people because as you rightly pointed out it is "what people want to hear" and so we have the rise of populism and round and round we're going to go. As before I do like your Churchill reference on WW2 and nobody is denying it happened. Nothing wrong with questioning a result, everything wrong with not implementing it. Never been done previously in a modern democracy.... possibly has in a developing country. The country, particularly the underdog, will suffer the most. Ok so we can agree that we can question the result are you happy for MP's to scrutinise the deal that the leader of the conservative party brought back? Or do you feel that once that deal was negotiated and approved by the EU then MP's should have just voted it through regardless? It hasn't been implemented yet because Brexit is like Heinz beans with 57 varieties and I dont really think you can disagree with left leaning MP's not voting through a deal which was done to gain approval by the ERG in the right leaning conservative party, surely. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2019 16:44:03 GMT
There's no doubt he's influenced debate in this country and can be (not always) an effective operator but despite standing in some of the biggest 'leave' seats in the country over the years the public have always given him the bird when it comes to being an MP. That woman was right last night him taking his salary and claiming amongst the top expenses in the European Parliament just exposes him for the hypocrite he is. Does he wear a bib when he gets on the gravy train? Personally I don't think that he is a hypocrite. He is doing the exact job that Brexiteers expect of him in the EU....to be an almost lone voice in questioning the project .... it's all the others who are excited to be on the gravy train and are revelling in their role" long may it continue" they cry... Farage is trying to stop it ...as much as his opponents try to undermine his stance. As I've said it bis difficult to get elected unless you are in the main 3 parties..... elected often through fear. This is not questioning the project Big John. This is just being a big daft tool whilst he continues to feather his nest at the expense of taxpayers  |
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Post by mattyd on Nov 20, 2019 17:07:58 GMT
Would love to see Abacus and Javid go head to head. Did somebody mention Abacus?  Frightening stuff!!...That ‘rather splendid afro’ has got a lot to answer for  She is confident that she will get 70% of her own constituents votes come the election. But prays to god no one else gets more. |
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