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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 10:06:36 GMT
Of the current political UK leaders it seems like this man is the best. More common sense, less baggage, clear. He is the "Phil Brown" of Politics. However Fiona Bruce allowing that particular guest to go in on him like that was poor form and will only enhance his cult like following. I didn't know that. How is he? Genuinely don't see the analogy. In comparison to the current candidates for the leadership of the UK role he is head and shoulders above any of them...if it was a fair interview situation he would get the job ( in my opinion). If Corbyn Swinson get anywhere near there hands on power I don't think that the country will move forward dynamically in the brave new world....too introspective and negative about Britain. Obviously Sturgeon has one aim in mind...so at least she is consistent and showing leadership....not sure it is the best way to deal with the current big issue for THE UK... Brexit. Boris will get support from Brexiteers either through trust or default. In the clip I posted Farage is the only one who addresses honestly the elephant in the room.... broken politics, democracy and trust.... |
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2019 10:07:16 GMT
why are lefties on twitter whining about "personal attacks" by Johnson on corbyn ? i didn't hear one personal attack, its not personal to ask someone how they would vote in a 2nd referendum, maybe had johnson said "how are you going to vote, come on, tell us, you beardy, rodent looking twat"... that would be personal, but i think the general public should know where Corbyn stands on brexit, its not unfair to ask him that at all. What does it matter which way he votes? As long as he respects the result of a 2nd referendum and doesn't campaign one way or another then it doesn't matter at all. This is far more important... more 'ever closer domination' by the US. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 10:09:44 GMT
Of the current political UK leaders it seems like this man is the best. More common sense, less baggage, clear. He is the "Phil Brown" of Politics. However Fiona Bruce allowing that particular guest to go in on him like that was poor form and will only enhance his cult like following. agree with the 2nd part of your post, thats what these people don't get, they think by having him on and "dressing him down" they're damaging him, quite the contrary, Farage may have been covered in hysterical virtue signallers spittle in the studio, but millions of people at home will have been nodding along with him as he delivered his ripostes, a masterful display from inside the belly of the beast aka the death star aka the bbc. |
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2019 10:11:28 GMT
He is the "Phil Brown" of Politics. However Fiona Bruce allowing that particular guest to go in on him like that was poor form and will only enhance his cult like following. I didn't know that. How is he? Genuinely don't see the analogy. In comparison to the current candidates for the leadership of the UK role he is head and shoulders above any of them...if it was a fair interview situation he would get the job ( in my opinion). If Corbyn Swinson get anywhere near there hands on power I don't think that the country will move forward dynamically in the brave new world....too introspective and negative about Britain. Obviously Sturgeon has one aim in mind...so at least she is consistent and showing leadership....not sure it is the best way to deal with the current big issue for THE UK... Brexit. Boris will get support from Brexiteers either through trust or default. In the clip I posted Farage is the only one who addresses honestly the elephant in the room.... broken politics, democracy and trust.... It's easy to point the finger when you have zero responsibility or accountability. It's not hard to criticise any of the other parties when you know full well that you'll never be in their position or have to answer to anything. Even trickydicky73 could do it. |
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2019 10:14:15 GMT
He is the "Phil Brown" of Politics. However Fiona Bruce allowing that particular guest to go in on him like that was poor form and will only enhance his cult like following. agree with the 2nd part of your post, thats what these people don't get, they think by having him on and "dressing him down" they're damaging him, quite the contrary, Farage may have been covered in hysterical virtue signallers spittle in the studio, but millions of people at home will have been nodding along with him as he delivered his ripostes, a masterful display from inside the belly of the beast aka the death star aka the bbc. Maybe that's what they want to happen.... Split the vote and get more people voting for him and not for the Tories. I don't think they go in there with the sole intention of discrediting him. They will be aware of the public reaction. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 10:20:39 GMT
why are lefties on twitter whining about "personal attacks" by Johnson on corbyn ? i didn't hear one personal attack, its not personal to ask someone how they would vote in a 2nd referendum, maybe had johnson said "how are you going to vote, come on, tell us, you beardy, rodent looking twat"... that would be personal, but i think the general public should know where Corbyn stands on brexit, its not unfair to ask him that at all. What does it matter which way he votes? As long as he respects the result of a 2nd referendum and doesn't campaign one way or another then it doesn't matter at all. This is far more important... more 'ever closer domination' by the US. if it doesn't matter then tell us! the man is a disgrace anyway, he's basically null and voiding the first referendum with his phoney 2nd referendum which will basically offer us two versions of remain, i'd admire him more if he just did what the insufferable swinson did and call for brexit to be stopped ll together, which is essentially what he's doing with his pretend 2nd referendum but without coming out and saying it so bluntly. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 20, 2019 10:24:31 GMT
He is the "Phil Brown" of Politics. However Fiona Bruce allowing that particular guest to go in on him like that was poor form and will only enhance his cult like following. I didn't know that. How is he? Genuinely don't see the analogy. In comparison to the current candidates for the leadership of the UK role he is head and shoulders above any of them...if it was a fair interview situation he would get the job ( in my opinion). If Corbyn Swinson get anywhere near there hands on power I don't think that the country will move forward dynamically in the brave new world....too introspective and negative about Britain. Obviously Sturgeon has one aim in mind...so at least she is consistent and showing leadership....not sure it is the best way to deal with the current big issue for THE UK... Brexit. Boris will get support from Brexiteers either through trust or default. In the clip I posted Farage is the only one who addresses honestly the elephant in the room.... broken politics, democracy and trust.... I know you're a fan and I can see the appeal for people. He's a one trick pony who is desperate to remain relevant. Sturgeon is similar but I think she does have a bit more substance on other area's. The issue that you have with NF is once he is taken away from the key issue that he has harped on about for years (EU membership/Immigration) you realise that he is a castle made of sand. Education, Transport, Climate, Health, Trade, Work and Pensions etc.. it all comes crashing down. Is he a success? Maybe. Does he know how to harvest votes on the back of immigration/EU membership? Absolutely. |
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2019 10:28:10 GMT
What does it matter which way he votes? As long as he respects the result of a 2nd referendum and doesn't campaign one way or another then it doesn't matter at all. This is far more important... more 'ever closer domination' by the US. if it doesn't matter then tell us! the man is a disgrace anyway, he's basically null and voiding the first referendum with his phoney 2nd referendum which will basically offer us two versions of remain, i'd admire him more if he just did what the insufferable swinson did and call for brexit to be stopped ll together, which is essentially what he's doing with his pretend 2nd referendum but without coming out and saying it so bluntly. Why would he offer two versions of remain? He would clearly offer to leave based on the existing deal struck by Boris/May (or a slightly improved one if possible), or remain. ...and why would he say which way he'd vote just so people mistakenly think he'd campaign for his personal preference (which he won't). It doesn't matter which way he'd vote but a lot of people wouldn't grasp that. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 10:30:00 GMT
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 10:36:35 GMT
if it doesn't matter then tell us! the man is a disgrace anyway, he's basically null and voiding the first referendum with his phoney 2nd referendum which will basically offer us two versions of remain, i'd admire him more if he just did what the insufferable swinson did and call for brexit to be stopped ll together, which is essentially what he's doing with his pretend 2nd referendum but without coming out and saying it so bluntly. Why would he offer two versions of remain? He would clearly offer to leave based on the existing deal struck by Boris/May (or a slightly improved one if possible), or remain. ...and why would he say which way he'd vote just so people mistakenly think he'd campaign for his personal preference (which he won't). It doesn't matter which way he'd vote but a lot of people wouldn't grasp that. he said he would renegotiate a deal and put it to a referendum against remain, Johnsons deal is already bad enough, after Corbyn and his band of idiots have had their way with it, it will be tantamount to remaining. i'd actually rather we stay fully in than the tories or labours half measures, seems to me we'll end up with the worst of both worlds, we should be coming out kit and caboodle, thats what we voted for in 2016. |
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2019 10:38:07 GMT
Why would he offer two versions of remain? He would clearly offer to leave based on the existing deal struck by Boris/May (or a slightly improved one if possible), or remain. ...and why would he say which way he'd vote just so people mistakenly think he'd campaign for his personal preference (which he won't). It doesn't matter which way he'd vote but a lot of people wouldn't grasp that. he said he would renegotiate a deal and put it to a referendum against remain, Johnsons deal is already bad enough, after Corbyn and his band of idiots have had their way with it, it will be tantamount to remaining. i'd actually rather we stay fully in than the tories or labours half measures, seems to me we'll end up with the worst of both worlds, we should be coming out kit and caboodle, thats what we voted for in 2016. Vote for milky jugs and put an end to this madness mate. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 10:44:30 GMT
he said he would renegotiate a deal and put it to a referendum against remain, Johnsons deal is already bad enough, after Corbyn and his band of idiots have had their way with it, it will be tantamount to remaining. i'd actually rather we stay fully in than the tories or labours half measures, seems to me we'll end up with the worst of both worlds, we should be coming out kit and caboodle, thats what we voted for in 2016. Vote for milky jugs and put an end to this madness mate. If she got in and cancelled brexit by email then there would be massive civil unrest, the mask of democracy will have fully slipped off exposing this parliamentary dictatorship. |
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Post by foster on Nov 20, 2019 10:50:16 GMT
Vote for milky jugs and put an end to this madness mate. If she got in and cancelled brexit by email then there would be massive civil unrest, the mask of democracy will have fully slipped off exposing this parliamentary dictatorship. Doubt it. If she were to get in then it would mean most people support her. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 10:59:21 GMT
I didn't know that. How is he? Genuinely don't see the analogy. In comparison to the current candidates for the leadership of the UK role he is head and shoulders above any of them...if it was a fair interview situation he would get the job ( in my opinion). If Corbyn Swinson get anywhere near there hands on power I don't think that the country will move forward dynamically in the brave new world....too introspective and negative about Britain. Obviously Sturgeon has one aim in mind...so at least she is consistent and showing leadership....not sure it is the best way to deal with the current big issue for THE UK... Brexit. Boris will get support from Brexiteers either through trust or default. In the clip I posted Farage is the only one who addresses honestly the elephant in the room.... broken politics, democracy and trust.... I know you're a fan and I can see the appeal for people. He's a one trick pony who is desperate to remain relevant. Sturgeon is similar but I think she does have a bit more substance on other area's. The issue that you have with NF is once he is taken away from the key issue that he has harped on about for years (EU membership/Immigration) you realise that he is a castle made of sand. Education, Transport, Climate, Health, Trade, Work and Pensions etc.. it all comes crashing down. Is he a success? Maybe. Does he know how to harvest votes on the back of immigration/EU membership? Absolutely. I don't necessarily think that he is a one trick pony...he happens to have driven the biggest political issue facing the UK for a generation and in so doing has drawn attention to the heart of our nation democracy. Obviously that is what he is known for. He had exposed the others as floundering, deceitful and lacking leadership and vision. During the second world war , U guess that you could criticise Churchill fir mainly talking about the war. I'm sure like all of us he has many many faults but his message was supported by 17.4 m people....and he is the leader of the biggest party that represents us in the EU |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 20, 2019 11:42:29 GMT
Vote for milky jugs and put an end to this madness mate. If she got in and cancelled brexit by email then there would be massive civil unrest, the mask of democracy will have fully slipped off exposing this parliamentary dictatorship. If she got in then it will have been the will of the people for her to get in. It would be more anti-democratic if she didn't do what was in her manifesto. However, she won't get in - so it doesn't really matter that much. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 20, 2019 11:51:04 GMT
Of the current political UK leaders it seems like this man is the best. More common sense, less baggage, clear. I'm not one of those who believe the Brexit Party should not be represented in politcial discussions, but shouldn't Question Time be inviting BP candidates who are willing to face the public in a general election? Anyone can shout from the sidelines - I might apply to be a guest! The country needs people willing to take to the field and get us out of the current stalemate. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 12:08:27 GMT
Of the current political UK leaders it seems like this man is the best. More common sense, less baggage, clear. I'm not one of those who believe the Brexit Party should not be represented in politcial discussions, but shouldn't Question Time be inviting BP candidates who are willing to face the public in a general election? Anyone can shout from the sidelines - I might apply to be a guest! The country needs people willing to take to the field and get us out of the current stalemate. Tony Benn once said that he was leaving Parliament to spend more time in politics. Farage has been one of the major figures in UK politics over the last 5 years, leading with his chin. He is a EU MEP, not many people are also in our Parliament. I referred to Farage in this instance purely in terms of leadership qualities , determination, clarity.. .he leaves the others standing..... admittedly only when a person actually gets into power do we see what they are really like. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 20, 2019 12:14:02 GMT
I didn't know that. How is he? Genuinely don't see the analogy. In comparison to the current candidates for the leadership of the UK role he is head and shoulders above any of them...if it was a fair interview situation he would get the job ( in my opinion). If Corbyn Swinson get anywhere near there hands on power I don't think that the country will move forward dynamically in the brave new world....too introspective and negative about Britain. Obviously Sturgeon has one aim in mind...so at least she is consistent and showing leadership....not sure it is the best way to deal with the current big issue for THE UK... Brexit. Boris will get support from Brexiteers either through trust or default. In the clip I posted Farage is the only one who addresses honestly the elephant in the room.... broken politics, democracy and trust.... It's easy to point the finger when you have zero responsibility or accountability. It's not hard to criticise any of the other parties when you know full well that you'll never be in their position or have to answer to anything. Even trickydicky73 could do it. Of course.... what do you expect him to do? He is arguing for what he believes in and leading from the front. It isn't his fault that the other players seem incompetent, untrustworthy , deceitful, liars, career politicians, Party loyalists, anti democratic , evasive, don't answer straight questions,lacking vision and leadership ability.....The vast majority of people in this country are totally disillusioned with the state of our politics...as Farage says " not fit for purpose, Broken" |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2019 12:16:16 GMT
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Post by Davef on Nov 20, 2019 12:27:35 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 20, 2019 12:43:40 GMT
YouGov is an awful misnomer, as it has nothing to do with our national government. It’s owned by The committed right wing Steve Shakespeare. At a time when we need unbiased representation, YouGov are a source of propaganda. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 12:44:25 GMT
If she got in and cancelled brexit by email then there would be massive civil unrest, the mask of democracy will have fully slipped off exposing this parliamentary dictatorship. Doubt it. If she were to get in then it would mean most people support her. If only a fraction of the 17.4 million went pitch fork it would cause massive civil unrest. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 12:44:52 GMT
Polls suddenly reliable again 😄
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 20, 2019 13:02:53 GMT
Doubt it. If she were to get in then it would mean most people support her. If only a fraction of the 17.4 million went pitch fork it would cause massive civil unrest. In Civil war, numbers don’t guarantee anything... |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 20, 2019 13:03:34 GMT
oh dear oh dear !! no antisemitism in our party is there!!
Amjad Bashir, Tory candidate for Leeds North East suspended over anti-Semitism !!
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Post by serpico on Nov 20, 2019 13:08:51 GMT
If only a fraction of the 17.4 million went pitch fork it would cause massive civil unrest. In Civil war, numbers don’t guarantee anything... I never mentioned civil war, but maybe it could go that way, North V South, flat caps & woodbines Vs Lattes & quinoa. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 20, 2019 13:18:21 GMT
YouGov is an awful misnomer, as it has nothing to do with our national government. It’s owned by The committed right wing Steve Shakespeare. At a time when we need unbiased representation, YouGov are a source of propaganda. for those of you who want to complain about this this is the bbc complaints line number 03700 100 222 |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 20, 2019 13:18:58 GMT
I'm not one of those who believe the Brexit Party should not be represented in politcial discussions, but shouldn't Question Time be inviting BP candidates who are willing to face the public in a general election? Anyone can shout from the sidelines - I might apply to be a guest! The country needs people willing to take to the field and get us out of the current stalemate. Tony Benn once said that he was leaving Parliament to spend more time in politics. Farage has been one of the major figures in UK politics over the last 5 years, leading with his chin. He is a EU MEP, not many people are also in our Parliament. I referred to Farage in this instance purely in terms of leadership qualities , determination, clarity.. .he leaves the others standing..... admittedly only when a person actually gets into power do we see what they are really like. Tony Benn was in parliament for 47 years - Nigel Farage has been in parliament for 0 years. Farage isn't leaving parliament, he's refusing to enter. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2019 13:25:56 GMT
I didn't know that. How is he? Genuinely don't see the analogy. In comparison to the current candidates for the leadership of the UK role he is head and shoulders above any of them...if it was a fair interview situation he would get the job ( in my opinion). If Corbyn Swinson get anywhere near there hands on power I don't think that the country will move forward dynamically in the brave new world....too introspective and negative about Britain. Obviously Sturgeon has one aim in mind...so at least she is consistent and showing leadership....not sure it is the best way to deal with the current big issue for THE UK... Brexit. Boris will get support from Brexiteers either through trust or default. In the clip I posted Farage is the only one who addresses honestly the elephant in the room.... broken politics, democracy and trust.... It's easy to point the finger when you have zero responsibility or accountability. It's not hard to criticise any of the other parties when you know full well that you'll never be in their position or have to answer to anything. Even trickydicky73 could do it. The liberals got away with it for years until the coalition |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2019 13:35:14 GMT
oh dear oh dear !! no antisemitism in our party is there!! Amjad Bashir, Tory candidate for Leeds North East suspended over anti-Semitism !! |
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