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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 16, 2019 20:33:34 GMT
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Post by foster on Nov 16, 2019 21:05:21 GMT
Instead of stating what you think you know, do some reading up on it like I said. It's quite incredible just how many times you get proven wrong when you come out acting like you know best. Just because you have read something does not mean you understand it, I have literally spent 20+ years dealing with companies who have branches or subsidiaries all over europe and the world they do not get to choose whether they pay local taxes, once you have an office or staff based in a country you are deemed to be have a permanent establishment for tax and you pay local tax. Amazon UK pay tax in the uk on their audited profits, they buy and sell to Amazon germany, amazon usa and are all part of the amazon group who are registered for tax in the USA, this means the profits are all added together and Amazon USA pays tax on the total profit less any local taxes already paid. It's quite incredible how you reading something does not equal you understanding it. It's on all the news.. UK news, EU news and even US news. I don't care what you've done in your life. Just do some basic reading and stop embarrassing yourself thicko. |
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Post by henry on Nov 16, 2019 21:39:09 GMT
Wonder how many campaign adds the tories will have to pull as they use a racist untrustworthy liar masquerading as an pm !! I fear for your sanity when Johnson gets a majority. Have you seen the scanners head exploding scene, thats Essex that is. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 16, 2019 21:53:10 GMT
If i was johnson i'd be going full on Trumpian right now, wrap myself in the flag and goad the left into calling me a racist/fascist, turn it into patriots Vs commies. Not saying i especially agree with it, but he could easily demolish Corbyn if he did this.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 16, 2019 21:53:11 GMT
Wonder how many campaign adds the tories will have to pull as they use a racist untrustworthy liar masquerading as an pm !! I fear for your sanity when Johnson gets a majority. I fear for all our sanity if Joris gets a majority, because that places us in a La La Land that even we haven’t ventured before, Ye’ CnutXx |
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Post by serpico on Nov 16, 2019 21:55:20 GMT
I fear for your sanity when Johnson gets a majority. I fear for all our sanity if Joris gets a majority, because that places us in a La La Land that even we haven’t ventured before, Ye’ CnutXx If only Boris was the guy you paint him as, alas he is not, he's a statist as well, just less so than Corbyn. |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 16, 2019 22:04:29 GMT
If i was johnson i'd be going full on Trumpian right now, wrap myself in the flag and goad the left into calling me a racist/fascist. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2019 0:19:28 GMT
Just because you have read something does not mean you understand it, I have literally spent 20+ years dealing with companies who have branches or subsidiaries all over europe and the world they do not get to choose whether they pay local taxes, once you have an office or staff based in a country you are deemed to be have a permanent establishment for tax and you pay local tax. Amazon UK pay tax in the uk on their audited profits, they buy and sell to Amazon germany, amazon usa and are all part of the amazon group who are registered for tax in the USA, this means the profits are all added together and Amazon USA pays tax on the total profit less any local taxes already paid. It's quite incredible how you reading something does not equal you understanding it. It's on all the news.. UK news, EU news and even US news. I don't care what you've done in your life. Just do some basic reading and stop embarrassing yourself thicko. Who to believe Forbes or Foster its a tough one but I will ignore the smartarse who doesnt understand what he has read. You are confusing the low amount of corporation tax paid on profits with the local taxes (paye, rates etc) paid, I suspect its because you just dont understand but at least you're not a thicko like me how lucky am I it seems I guessed one of the reasons for low corporation tax is the employee share schemes unless of course I not only understand what I am talking about, I alsi understand things I read too but enough bragging dont want to come across as a smarmy twat like you  |
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Post by foster on Nov 17, 2019 8:03:07 GMT
It's on all the news.. UK news, EU news and even US news. I don't care what you've done in your life. Just do some basic reading and stop embarrassing yourself thicko. Who to believe Forbes or Foster its a tough one but I will ignore the smartarse who doesnt understand what he has read. You are confusing the low amount of corporation tax paid on profits with the local taxes (paye, rates etc) paid, I suspect its because you just dont understand but at least you're not a thicko like me how lucky am I it seems I guessed one of the reasons for low corporation tax is the employee share schemes unless of course I not only understand what I am talking about, I alsi understand things I read too but enough bragging dont want to come across as a smarmy twat like you Zzzzzzzzz |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2019 8:10:36 GMT
www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniedenning/2019/02/22/why-amazon-pays-no-corporate-taxes/Who to believe Forbes or Foster its a tough one but I will ignore the smartarse who doesnt understand what he has read. You are confusing the low amount of corporation tax paid on profits with the local taxes (paye, rates etc) paid, I suspect its because you just dont understand but at least you're not a thicko like me how lucky am I it seems I guessed one of the reasons for low corporation tax is the employee share schemes unless of course I not only understand what I am talking about, I alsi understand things I read too but enough bragging dont want to come across as a smarmy twat like you Zzzzzzzzz Ha, ha, ha, ha. You’ve just been owned. There is still a very good response to FYD (actually two) - but it seems to be beyond you. I’ll post something later, but I’ll give you the opportunity to think further about while what FYD says is true, it is still absolutely wrong!!!!! |
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Post by foster on Nov 17, 2019 8:25:05 GMT
Ha, ha, ha, ha. You’ve just been owned. There is still a very good response to FYD (actually two) - but it seems to be beyond you. I’ll post something later, but I’ll give you the opportunity to think further about while what FYD says is true, it is still absolutely wrong!!!!! I'll just post some links and everyone can make up their own minds as to whether these companies have been avoiding paying local taxes or not. Then we can get back to the GE www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/us/politics/tech-giants-taxes-oecd.htmlwww.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/03/tech-giants-facebook-oecd-digital-tax-must-become-reality"Global tech companies have been accused of finding ways to avoid tax. It is said they do this by paying most of their taxes in the EU countries where they have headquarters, rather than where they make their sales. Often, they have offices in countries like Ireland or Luxembourg, where there are very low tax rates. It can mean the firms end up paying very little tax in countries such as France or the UK, despite having lots of customers there." www.bbc.com/news/business-48928782www.zdnet.com/article/g20-to-progress-digital-tax-plans-targeting-tech-giants-report/Edit: You may also notice that the article fyd posted was both US based and in relation to paying US fed taxes. These are irrelevant to this discussion. I'm no tax expert but if I'm incorrect then so are all the links and sources referenced above...as is what has been in the news the past year. Maybe fyd knows better than the NY times, the BBC and the G20, but I doubt it. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 17, 2019 8:54:51 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Nov 17, 2019 9:01:50 GMT
She's no Katherine Jenkins |
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Post by serpico on Nov 17, 2019 9:24:59 GMT
Socialists think they can just “take a bigger slice of the pie” and redistribute it, But all that happens is the pie eventually gets smaller and smaller, they don’t see the unseen consequences, all they care about is calling for higher taxes because it makes them feel morally superior, but in the end it doesn’t make the less wealthy better off, in fact they’re he ones hit with higher prices and job lay offs.
Anyway, according to the pro Eu left, investment is going to dry up and businesses are going to up sticks and leave the UK when we depart the Eu, so why the hell do they want to create even bigger disincentives by upping taxes on businesses?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 17, 2019 9:45:38 GMT
A campaign poster. Assuming at a niche market me thinks. She's no Katherine Jenkins It could be Hugh Jenkins |
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Post by serpico on Nov 17, 2019 10:15:37 GMT
Marr touching on a point about regime uncertainty in his interview with Corbyn, nobody will want to invest in an industry with such an unpredictable government that has absolutely no concerns with destroying private property rights, this labour government would be very dangerous.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2019 10:18:13 GMT
Ha, ha, ha, ha. You’ve just been owned. There is still a very good response to FYD (actually two) - but it seems to be beyond you. I’ll post something later, but I’ll give you the opportunity to think further about while what FYD says is true, it is still absolutely wrong!!!!! I'll just post some links and everyone can make up their own minds as to whether these companies have been avoiding paying local taxes or not. Then we can get back to the GE www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/us/politics/tech-giants-taxes-oecd.htmlwww.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/03/tech-giants-facebook-oecd-digital-tax-must-become-reality"Global tech companies have been accused of finding ways to avoid tax. It is said they do this by paying most of their taxes in the EU countries where they have headquarters, rather than where they make their sales. Often, they have offices in countries like Ireland or Luxembourg, where there are very low tax rates. It can mean the firms end up paying very little tax in countries such as France or the UK, despite having lots of customers there." www.bbc.com/news/business-48928782www.zdnet.com/article/g20-to-progress-digital-tax-plans-targeting-tech-giants-report/Edit: You may also notice that the article fyd posted was both US based and in relation to paying US fed taxes. These are irrelevant to this discussion. I'm no tax expert but if I'm incorrect then so are all the links and sources referenced above...as is what has been in the news the past year. Maybe fyd knows better than the NY times, the BBC and the G20, but I doubt it. I mean this literally says what I have been telling you, when it is talking about local taxes on profits it means corporation tax or its equivalent, they have no choice on whether to pay payroll taxes or rates etc etc etc. Corporation tax is based on profits not sales or customers and as I have also said several times it is outdated in the modern global world and should be replaced with a tax on sales, higher rates, tax on employees or some other method if you want companies to contribute more. And again having an office in a country like Ireland or Luxemburg doesnt mean you just choose to pay your taxes there it also means the business transaction has to happen there so for example you buy a CD from amazon Uk who themselves buy the CD from amazon ireland or luxemburg who have originally bought the CD from the supplier. The CD costing you £10 probably costs them £5 or £6 before shipping, warehousing, overheads etc etc so the profit per CD is split between the different entities. I could go on about transfer pricing, double tax relief, taxing group profits but enough schooling for today. So sometimes reading something doesnt mean you have an indepth knowledge of the subject. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2019 10:27:48 GMT
Ha, ha, ha, ha. You’ve just been owned. There is still a very good response to FYD (actually two) - but it seems to be beyond you. I’ll post something later, but I’ll give you the opportunity to think further about while what FYD says is true, it is still absolutely wrong!!!!! Wrong how dare you  That of course depends on whether you mean wrong tecnically or morally as one is definitely not wrong the other is upto your own viewpoint. Equally you should note the UK will benefit from similar arrangements for other companies, I for example know of a company that reports and pays taxes on hundreds of millions of sales of goods that ship direct from its parent company in Asia without them ever setting foot in the UK, no tax benefit to them but they are just registered in the UK with no staff or warehouses in europe, so whatever you take from another country they may then take back from the UK. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 17, 2019 10:28:45 GMT
He doesn't answer questions anyway. It is probably a new method to try and get a response. Yes you're right, I think that there is only Farage who answers questions. Have you seen Diane Abbott and Emily Thornbery being interviewed? They look shell shocked/ like a stunned rabbit at the simplest question and you can see their brain working overtime on how NOT to tell the truth, give a straightforward answer. Mitchell is correct on this ridiculous phrasing of a question though. The BBC/ interviewers have gone much too far in thinking that it is all about them/ their agenda. Farage is very good in how he conducts himself and i can see the appeal, however part of me also thinks he is a coward. He seems to want Brexit on his terms but wants someone else to deliver it. I find his stance quite worrying and deceptive. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 17, 2019 10:33:29 GMT
Corbyn offering free dental check ups now, don't people who are on lower incomes already have this ?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 17, 2019 10:33:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on Nov 17, 2019 10:38:00 GMT
If i was johnson i'd be going full on Trumpian right now, wrap myself in the flag and goad the left into calling me a racist/fascist, turn it into patriots Vs commies. Not saying i especially agree with it, but he could easily demolish Corbyn if he did this. I think that would turn off far more than it turns on. British psyche is to be wary (at the very least) of flag waving types. That's why our politicians don't do it. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2019 10:38:15 GMT
Yes you're right, I think that there is only Farage who answers questions. Have you seen Diane Abbott and Emily Thornbery being interviewed? They look shell shocked/ like a stunned rabbit at the simplest question and you can see their brain working overtime on how NOT to tell the truth, give a straightforward answer. Mitchell is correct on this ridiculous phrasing of a question though. The BBC/ interviewers have gone much too far in thinking that it is all about them/ their agenda. Farage is very good in how he conducts himself and i can see the appeal, however part of me also thinks he is a coward. He seems to want Brexit on his terms but wants someone else to deliver it. I find his stance quite worrying and deceptive. I don't. I think that the reason that he was able to mobilise the Brexit party so easily, quickly and effectively for the EU elections is because he is the one person who is clear on Brexit and is saying what we believe to be true, despite what the media say. Simply the anti Lib anti Dems are against the democratic result, Labour are too busy trying to play party politics and get the Tories and / or the rich, the Conservatives are plagued by in fighting and a lack of trust from the electorate having failed to deliver BREXIT in 3 years. ....and yes we do want someone to conduct themselves properly if they hope to represent the UK on the world stage.... just like you would hope that any business would. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2019 10:43:23 GMT
Ha, ha, ha, ha. You’ve just been owned. There is still a very good response to FYD (actually two) - but it seems to be beyond you. I’ll post something later, but I’ll give you the opportunity to think further about while what FYD says is true, it is still absolutely wrong!!!!! Wrong how dare you That of course depends on whether you mean wrong tecnically or morally as one is definitely not wrong the other is upto your own viewpoint. Equally you should note the UK will benefit from similar arrangements for other companies, I for example know of a company that reports and pays taxes on hundreds of millions of sales of goods that ship direct from its parent company in Asia without them ever setting foot in the UK, no tax benefit to them but they are just registered in the UK with no staff or warehouses in europe, so whatever you take from another country they may then take back from the UK. Ok - here’s my take. Why is this wrong? Because wealth is siphoned from one country to the benefit of another. Because it is unfair on local competitors who have to pay tax on the profits they generate. So it is unquestionably morally wrong. But not illegal. IMO, that makes it wrong. Period. Of course, you are quite correct in the double standards being applied. The UK is the biggest beneficiary of this activity. The world’s largest offshore bank being the City of London. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 17, 2019 10:54:22 GMT
Free dental from Jezza! Cheers mate. I can afford private but I'll take a freebie.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 17, 2019 11:07:22 GMT
Farage is very good in how he conducts himself and i can see the appeal, however part of me also thinks he is a coward. He seems to want Brexit on his terms but wants someone else to deliver it. I find his stance quite worrying and deceptive. I don't. I think that the reason that he was able to mobilise the Brexit party so easily, quickly and effectively for the EU elections is because he is the one person who is clear on Brexit and is saying what we believe to be true, despite what the media say. Simply the anti Lib anti Dems are against the democratic result, Labour are too busy trying to play party politics and get the Tories and / or the rich, the Conservatives are plagued by in fighting and a lack of trust from the electorate having failed to deliver BREXIT in 3 years. They are all playing party politics, that is just the way it is. Labour are more focused on their own agenda in my view. The Cons have failed to deliver anything in 10 years of government but the rich still get richer. The Cons are using Corbyn to distract the public from their own failures. They should try starting an argument without mentioning Corbyn in the 1st sentence, i just stop listening as soon as someone goes on the attack rather than tell people what their plan is. Labour are the only party who want to transform the country which is what most people want and why many voted Brexit in the 1st place. Labour as a whole to me are made up of decent people who are balanced and not too far right nor to far left. The Tories are just vile and i don't believe the majority of them give a shit about anyone but themselves. Farage is a Tory and i believe he is no different. I am not a fan of Corbyn but the party as a whole are where i feel i am most aligned. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 17, 2019 11:15:07 GMT
If i was johnson i'd be going full on Trumpian right now, wrap myself in the flag and goad the left into calling me a racist/fascist, turn it into patriots Vs commies. Not saying i especially agree with it, but he could easily demolish Corbyn if he did this. Depends if you are the type of person that falls for all that Trumpian bullshit, i know my mum is. Its just football hooligan level showboating with no substance. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 17, 2019 11:23:28 GMT
Wrong how dare you That of course depends on whether you mean wrong tecnically or morally as one is definitely not wrong the other is upto your own viewpoint. Equally you should note the UK will benefit from similar arrangements for other companies, I for example know of a company that reports and pays taxes on hundreds of millions of sales of goods that ship direct from its parent company in Asia without them ever setting foot in the UK, no tax benefit to them but they are just registered in the UK with no staff or warehouses in europe, so whatever you take from another country they may then take back from the UK. Ok - here’s my take. Why is this wrong? Because wealth is siphoned from one country to the benefit of another. Because it is unfair on local competitors who have to pay tax on the profits they generate. So it is unquestionably morally wrong. But not illegal. IMO, that makes it wrong. Period. Of course, you are quite correct in the double standards being applied. The UK is the biggest beneficiary of this activity. The world’s largest offshore bank being the City of London. All these companies pay tax on the profits they generate your problem is how they split the profit between their locations ? This will always be a problem as its quite rare now for goods to be made and sold in the same country. There are quite strict rules in place determining how the price is determined between group companies in different countries 5%-7.5% profit is the norm, how do you determine the cost of the CD you buy from amazon uk when it has passed through another amazon entity who because they order in millions or hundreds of thousands get a better price than buying in smaller quantities, they warehouse it, ship it etc etc, how do you want to split the £2 or £3 profit on a CD sale ? Taxation is not meant to be moral its meant to raise money take a ludicrous example, we both open shops you work 6am-10pm every day and make a profit of £20,000 I open for 15 mins a day and spend the rest of my time pissing about on here or in wetherspoons I make a loss of £20,000. The government takes 20% (might be 19% now I forget) of your hard profits and it gives me 20% back of my losses as an IOU back doesn't seem very moral too me ! Like I have said corporation tax is outdated if you want to raise more tax it has to be replaced with a tax on sales, higher rates, vehicle tax, payroll tax or whatever but equally raise it too high and the way the world is becoming more interconnected with more and more free trade agreements means these companies can just do away with their facilities and staff and ship directly... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 17, 2019 11:24:00 GMT
I don't. I think that the reason that he was able to mobilise the Brexit party so easily, quickly and effectively for the EU elections is because he is the one person who is clear on Brexit and is saying what we believe to be true, despite what the media say. Simply the anti Lib anti Dems are against the democratic result, Labour are too busy trying to play party politics and get the Tories and / or the rich, the Conservatives are plagued by in fighting and a lack of trust from the electorate having failed to deliver BREXIT in 3 years. They are all playing party politics, that is just the way it is. Labour are more focused on their own agenda in my view. The Cons have failed to deliver anything in 10 years of government but the rich still get richer. The Cons are using Corbyn to distract the public from their own failures. They should try starting an argument without mentioning Corbyn in the 1st sentence, i just stop listening as soon as someone goes on the attack rather than tell people what their plan is. Labour are the only party who want to transform the country which is what most people want and why many voted Brexit in the 1st place. Labour as a whole to me are made up of decent people who are balanced and not too far right nor to far left. The Tories are just vile and i don't believe the majority of them give a shit about anyone but themselves. Farage is a Tory and i believe he is no different. I am not a fan of Corbyn but the party as a whole are where i feel i am most aligned. I don't think Farage is playing party politics in do much as he would ( have to) support any party that promised to deliver a proper BREXIT. He was not loyal to UKIP when he felt a change was needed and he was forced to form the BREXIT party....the only advantage of keeping the BREXIT party, post BREXIT , would be 1 to ensure that Brexit occurs, if indeed Brexiteers are left with little choice other than the Tories 2 to tackle the 2 party system and the dishonourable state of our democracy...if that is indeed possible given the vested interests involved. One example of playing party politics.... Jeremy is unable to answer the fundamental question of the day.... Farage could answer the same question. If it was not for the internal organisation of the Labour party Corbyn would never have risen to his great heights. / |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 17, 2019 11:28:52 GMT
I don't. I think that the reason that he was able to mobilise the Brexit party so easily, quickly and effectively for the EU elections is because he is the one person who is clear on Brexit and is saying what we believe to be true, despite what the media say. Simply the anti Lib anti Dems are against the democratic result, Labour are too busy trying to play party politics and get the Tories and / or the rich, the Conservatives are plagued by in fighting and a lack of trust from the electorate having failed to deliver BREXIT in 3 years. They are all playing party politics, that is just the way it is. Labour are more focused on their own agenda in my view. The Cons have failed to deliver anything in 10 years of government but the rich still get richer. The Cons are using Corbyn to distract the public from their own failures. They should try starting an argument without mentioning Corbyn in the 1st sentence, i just stop listening as soon as someone goes on the attack rather than tell people what their plan is. Labour are the only party who want to transform the country which is what most people want and why many voted Brexit in the 1st place. Labour as a whole to me are made up of decent people who are balanced and not too far right nor to far left. The Tories are just vile and i don't believe the majority of them give a shit about anyone but themselves. Farage is a Tory and i believe he is no different. I am not a fan of Corbyn but the party as a whole are where i feel i am most aligned. The best way to encourage investment into run down Brexit voting areas like Stoke is through low taxes, a National Invesment Bank and a massive re-educational programme. The Government could even pay people who are willing to be re-trained into areas of skill shortages. Tax thresholds to be raised too. Labours policies will inevitablylead to higher taxes and higher borrowing. 1)Higher borrowing pushes up interest rates which young people with repayment mortgages get hit harder. It also feeds through into higher prices/costs which reduces the real wage. 2)Higher taxes will hit middle income earners hardest. It won't affect the Rich despite what Labour say. Why do you think they employ accountants? 3)Raising the minimum wage does not make the poorest better off. The majority of people on the minimum wage are 'second earners' typically working part-time, with another higher earning partner. It does little to raise people out of poverty. For that to happen there needs to be a complete rethinking of wages, taxation, in work benefits and national insurance. No major Political Party shows any sign of addressing these fundamental issues, without which, income inequality and the distribution of resources will continue on it's current path. |
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