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Post by mattyd on Sept 5, 2019 15:40:28 GMT
Chlorinated Ones?. Loved Bodgers quip about Momentum holding a protest rally. " What do we want?" "Not really sure" "When do we want it?" "Don't know". Some great soundbites and the front page of "The Sun" has lapped it up... It's usually good to have some substance aswell though, so what do you make of his plans on the Irish Border? The Irish Border will always be a tough one, but other countries seem to manage it ok, by using technology, and having " trusted traders", whereby if any company in The RoI was secretly trying to import into the UK through the back door , they would lose their status and face massive sanctions and maybe imprisonment. As far as the movement of people go, I have travelled extensively to China, and invariably enter Shenzhen through Shekhou, via a ferry from HK. I get a visa on arrival, but am only permitted to remain in the SEZ. ( Shenzhen Economic Zone), I can't use public transport, and certainly couldn't fly to other areas such as Beijing or Shanghai, and if I wanted to stay in a Hotel outside SEZ then I would be arrested and deported, and prevented from ever entering again, so why not make RoI a special economic zone, and apply similar rules, where UK citizens can travel freely, but anyone entering RoI from anywhere else can not enter Northern Ireland legitimately, without an actual hard border. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 5, 2019 15:50:41 GMT
Some great soundbites and the front page of "The Sun" has lapped it up... It's usually good to have some substance aswell though, so what do you make of his plans on the Irish Border? The Irish Border will always be a tough one, but other countries seem to manage it ok, by using technology, and having " trusted traders", whereby if any company in The RoI was secretly trying to import into the UK through the back door , they would lose their status and face massive sanctions and maybe imprisonment. As far as the movement of people go, I have travelled extensively to China, and invariably enter Shenzhen through Shekhou, via a ferry from HK. I get a visa on arrival, but am only permitted to remain in the SEZ. ( Shenzhen Economic Zone), I can't use public transport, and certainly couldn't fly to other areas such as Beijing or Shanghai, and if I wanted to stay in a Hotel outside SEZ then I would be arrested and deported, and prevented from ever entering again, so why not make RoI a special economic zone, and apply similar rules, where UK citizens can travel freely, but anyone entering RoI from anywhere else can not enter Northern Ireland legitimately, without an actual hard border. A good idea. I mentioned months ago about the technology that covers borders, one of the baltics and Russia. The company I work for was also advertising about technology to help with frictionless borders and avoid the need for the backstop in wth WA www.fujitsu.com/uk/solutions/industry/public-sector/ |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2019 18:18:01 GMT
Some great soundbites and the front page of "The Sun" has lapped it up... It's usually good to have some substance aswell though, so what do you make of his plans on the Irish Border? The Irish Border will always be a tough one, but other countries seem to manage it ok, by using technology, and having " trusted traders", whereby if any company in The RoI was secretly trying to import into the UK through the back door , they would lose their status and face massive sanctions and maybe imprisonment. As far as the movement of people go, I have travelled extensively to China, and invariably enter Shenzhen through Shekhou, via a ferry from HK. I get a visa on arrival, but am only permitted to remain in the SEZ. ( Shenzhen Economic Zone), I can't use public transport, and certainly couldn't fly to other areas such as Beijing or Shanghai, and if I wanted to stay in a Hotel outside SEZ then I would be arrested and deported, and prevented from ever entering again, so why not make RoI a special economic zone, and apply similar rules, where UK citizens can travel freely, but anyone entering RoI from anywhere else can not enter Northern Ireland legitimately, without an actual hard border. Good and well balanced proposal there. The challenge that you have is that whilst I appreciate there are technological options available there is still a requirement for goods to be checked (see Switzerland) so why would the ROI agree to this and where does it take place? Unfortunately the border on the isle of Ireland isnt liking driving up to the M6 toll and passing through, roads are interconnected through the north and south and you can pass in and out of the 2 contires on multiple occasions. The ROI is also staying deeply locked into the EU so how would the second part of your plan work? (Not having a pop just genuinely interested - especially with your travel background) |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 5, 2019 19:07:36 GMT
Bring this election fucking on. The bloke actually IS a fucking buffoon. I have literally never seen anything more embarrassing than this in all of modern Politics
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 5, 2019 19:37:18 GMT
The Irish Border will always be a tough one, but other countries seem to manage it ok, by using technology, and having " trusted traders", whereby if any company in The RoI was secretly trying to import into the UK through the back door , they would lose their status and face massive sanctions and maybe imprisonment. As far as the movement of people go, I have travelled extensively to China, and invariably enter Shenzhen through Shekhou, via a ferry from HK. I get a visa on arrival, but am only permitted to remain in the SEZ. ( Shenzhen Economic Zone), I can't use public transport, and certainly couldn't fly to other areas such as Beijing or Shanghai, and if I wanted to stay in a Hotel outside SEZ then I would be arrested and deported, and prevented from ever entering again, so why not make RoI a special economic zone, and apply similar rules, where UK citizens can travel freely, but anyone entering RoI from anywhere else can not enter Northern Ireland legitimately, without an actual hard border. Good and well balanced proposal there. The challenge that you have is that whilst I appreciate there are technological options available there is still a requirement for goods to be checked (see Switzerland) so why would the ROI agree to this and where does it take place? Unfortunately the border on the isle of Ireland isnt liking driving up to the M6 toll and passing through, roads are interconnected through the north and south and you can pass in and out of the 2 contires on multiple occasions. The ROI is also staying deeply locked into the EU so how would the second part of your plan work? (Not having a pop just genuinely interested - especially with your travel background) The movement of people doesn’t matter. The U.K. and Ireland already have a Common Travel Area which predates the EU. Neither country are within Schengen. The problem of EU immigration (for those who see it as a problem) isn’t really about stopping people at the border rather about the right to work, settle and use public services. The problem is stopping cross border traffic for checking goods. I don’t think it’s as serious as remainers claim nor is it as insignificant as leavers make out. Solvable with goodwill on all sides but that border is always going to be a bit ‘difficult’. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2019 19:46:45 GMT
Good and well balanced proposal there. The challenge that you have is that whilst I appreciate there are technological options available there is still a requirement for goods to be checked (see Switzerland) so why would the ROI agree to this and where does it take place? Unfortunately the border on the isle of Ireland isnt liking driving up to the M6 toll and passing through, roads are interconnected through the north and south and you can pass in and out of the 2 contires on multiple occasions. The ROI is also staying deeply locked into the EU so how would the second part of your plan work? (Not having a pop just genuinely interested - especially with your travel background) The movement of people doesn’t matter. The U.K. and Ireland already have a Common Travel Area which predates the EU. Neither country are within Schengen. The problem of EU immigration (for those who see it as a problem) isn’t really about stopping people at the border rather about the right to work, settle and use public services. The problem is stopping cross border traffic for checking goods. I don’t think it’s as serious as remainers claim nor is it as insignificant as leavers make out. Solvable with goodwill on all sides but that border is always going to be a bit ‘difficult’. There is also the GFA to factor in also. Which makes it unlike any other border in the world, surely? I do feel that this transportation of goods is almost an unsolveable nightmare. Being 60 days out until we "leave" and with no solution in place after 3 years I just cant see how it's going to happen really. |
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Post by lommack on Sept 5, 2019 19:48:56 GMT
Bring this election fucking on. The bloke actually IS a fucking buffoon. I have literally never seen anything more embarrassing than this in all of modern Politics Is he pissed? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 5, 2019 19:51:27 GMT
Bring this election fucking on. The bloke actually IS a fucking buffoon. I have literally never seen anything more embarrassing than this in all of modern Politics Is he pissed? You’d actually hope so if you were a Conservative supporter Lommack. Luckily for those of us who aren’t I think he’s just fucking wank! |
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Post by lommack on Sept 5, 2019 20:04:10 GMT
I saw the news earlier and someone had a real go at him when he was walking around the local market . He tried to muster support by shouting something about chickens or Brexit or something and left by the sound of his own feet.
I agree, his performances in parliament this week have confirmed he's not up to it.
His own brother has kicked him in the balls
And the opposition is in full control of parliamentary proceedings
Happy days
Perhaps Cummings will put him out of his misery?
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Post by thevoid on Sept 5, 2019 20:07:06 GMT
A decent opposition would have Boris on toast.
Corbyn resembles a bloke who mouths off in the pub but won't step outside when offered on. He's pathetic and out of his depth.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 5, 2019 20:14:12 GMT
The movement of people doesn’t matter. The U.K. and Ireland already have a Common Travel Area which predates the EU. Neither country are within Schengen. The problem of EU immigration (for those who see it as a problem) isn’t really about stopping people at the border rather about the right to work, settle and use public services. The problem is stopping cross border traffic for checking goods. I don’t think it’s as serious as remainers claim nor is it as insignificant as leavers make out. Solvable with goodwill on all sides but that border is always going to be a bit ‘difficult’. There is also the GFA to factor in also. Which makes it unlike any other border in the world, surely? I do feel that this transportation of goods is almost an unsolveable nightmare. Being 60 days out until we "leave" and with no solution in place after 3 years I just cant see how it's going to happen really. Surprisingly the GFA doesn’t really say anything about the border or the EU. I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think either party would be technically breaking the agreement with any type of border checks/infrastructure. Of course international law in so far as it informs outcomes can be as much about perception as technicalities. I’m thinking about trade deals with the US for example. Currently our standards are aligned so in the event of a ‘crash out’ I don’t see either side moving to erect hard infrastructure but, yeah, it’s likely to be difficult and an ongoing problem until the sort of schemes described above (eg trusted trader) are introduced. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2019 20:28:54 GMT
There is also the GFA to factor in also. Which makes it unlike any other border in the world, surely? I do feel that this transportation of goods is almost an unsolveable nightmare. Being 60 days out until we "leave" and with no solution in place after 3 years I just cant see how it's going to happen really. Surprisingly the GFA doesn’t really say anything about the border or the EU. I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think either party would be technically breaking the agreement with any type of border checks/infrastructure. Of course international law in so far as it informs outcomes can be as much about perception as technicalities. I’m thinking about trade deals with the US for example. Currently our standards are aligned so in the event of a ‘crash out’ I don’t see either side moving to erect hard infrastructure but, yeah, it’s likely to be difficult and an ongoing problem until the sort of schemes described above (eg trusted trader) are introduced. My take on the GFA would be less of a legal issue and more to do with the emotional/cultural impact that it will potentially cause. The bottom line to it is that overall were in no way prepared so this do or die mentality for the 31st is mental really and he's backed himself into an almighty hole. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 5, 2019 20:36:11 GMT
Surprisingly the GFA doesn’t really say anything about the border or the EU. I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think either party would be technically breaking the agreement with any type of border checks/infrastructure. Of course international law in so far as it informs outcomes can be as much about perception as technicalities. I’m thinking about trade deals with the US for example. Currently our standards are aligned so in the event of a ‘crash out’ I don’t see either side moving to erect hard infrastructure but, yeah, it’s likely to be difficult and an ongoing problem until the sort of schemes described above (eg trusted trader) are introduced. My take on the GFA would be less of a legal issue and more to do with the emotional/cultural impact that it will potentially cause. The bottom line to it is that overall were in no way prepared so this do or die mentality for the 31st is mental really and he's backed himself into an almighty hole. Think I agree. On both points. |
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Post by serpico on Sept 5, 2019 21:10:29 GMT
Bring this election fucking on. The bloke actually IS a fucking buffoon. I have literally never seen anything more embarrassing than this in all of modern Politics Could be a rope-a-dope 🙂 |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 6, 2019 7:39:43 GMT
Johnson using the language of war with his ‘surrender document’ and ‘chicken’ comments, secure in the knowledge that it’s not him, or his class, who suffers in war - actual or rhetorical - and not they whose lives are torn to shreds: it’s the rest of us.
A pathetic, last-ditch, irresponsible attempt at English nationalist populist rabble rousing by an overprivileged thicko.
We won’t tug our forelocks or doff our caps, Johnson. We’ll dump you on your Billy Bunter arse at the forthcoming election.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Sept 7, 2019 14:22:56 GMT
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Post by Davef on Sept 7, 2019 14:51:54 GMT
The chairman of the Conservative Party....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 7, 2019 15:12:40 GMT
The chairman of the Conservative Party....  |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 7, 2019 15:22:26 GMT
The chairman of the Conservative Party.... I don't know why MP's get involved in shit like this. It just comes across as bullying and it's not very professional for someone in his position. |
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 7, 2019 15:56:47 GMT
I saw the news earlier and someone had a real go at him when he was walking around the local market . He tried to muster support by shouting something about chickens or Brexit or something and left by the sound of his own feet. I agree, his performances in parliament this week have confirmed he's not up to it. His own brother has kicked him in the balls And the opposition is in full control of parliamentary proceedings Happy days Perhaps Cummings will put him out of his misery? that's cummings the unelected leader of this country that's not even a member of the conservative party and some moan on here about the unelected (even though they are ) European's. true democracy in action in this country!!! I think not!! |
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 7, 2019 16:09:47 GMT
See the tories have reverted to type lose the vote lose there dignity (as usual) result to name calling and personal insults the same old corrupt tories !!!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 9, 2019 3:47:03 GMT
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Post by zerps on Sept 9, 2019 6:06:01 GMT
A decent opposition would have Boris on toast. Corbyn resembles a bloke who mouths off in the pub but won't step outside when offered on. He's pathetic and out of his depth. Offered on what exactly? Toast? |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 9, 2019 7:05:34 GMT
See the tories have reverted to type lose the vote lose there dignity (as usual) result to name calling and personal insults the same old corrupt tories !!! The insults are coming from both sides. Maybe the Tories are slightly better at them judging by the current polling. BTW - are you leave or do you want to remain in the EU (the destroyer of socialism - according to one Tony Benn) |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Sept 9, 2019 12:17:03 GMT
Ruth, what goes around comes around... Can we have a GE, please?
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Post by Northy on Sept 9, 2019 14:00:10 GMT
Ruth, what goes around comes around... Can we have a GE, please? Another one who has become an economic expert overnight. A block of Cheddar Cheese going up from £2 to £2.84, she's quoting nearly 50%, some official reports said a maximum of 20%. Cheddar can be made in the UK, should be a great opportunity for expanding businesses, hopefully it will focus more on the people of this country to buy more British goods. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 9, 2019 14:50:01 GMT
Bercow wont be standing this time, the odious little cnut and his massive expenses bill has decided he'd not bother as he would have been kicked out anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 20:00:08 GMT
When are we going to get what the referendum voted for? Seem to remember it was out! If they voted to stay in, there would have been none of this! Bullshit, the lot of it!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 20:15:53 GMT
When are we going to get what the referendum voted for? Seem to remember it was out! If they voted to stay in, there would have been none of this! Bullshit, the lot of it! You can’t rush parliamentary democracy. Another few months won’t hurt in the grand scheme of things, although I did predict it would take 10 years after the referendum which I’m sticking by.... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 9, 2019 20:22:22 GMT
When are we going to get what the referendum voted for? Seem to remember it was out! If they voted to stay in, there would have been none of this! Bullshit, the lot of it! You can’t rush parliamentary democracy. Another few months won’t hurt in the grand scheme of thumbs, although I did predict it would take 10 years after the referendum which I’m sticking by.... They have rushed quite a bit through recently, Presser! Where there's will there's a way, as Layla Moran inadvertently let out the other night. |
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