|
|
Post by felonious on Nov 13, 2019 7:52:56 GMT
There weren’t mosh pits at Clash concerts - they were an American import after the Clash had packed in. I doubt you ever saw them live. And, if you think of punk rock as a working class movement providing a voice for the voiceless, you can see why Brexit has strong resonance with punk. Contempt you deserve.One more thing I dont lie I go to punk gigs and festivals to this day .  No mosh pits. Ok .   Brexit has nothing in connection with the punk ethos not one jot ffs. I watched the fascinating Vivienne Westwood programme a week or so back it sounded like she and Malcolm had a great time manufacturing and monetarising punk for the masses. Toyah was on the radio this week chatting about the scene and saying what a bright, intelligent lad Johnny Rotten was. |
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2019 7:55:20 GMT
There weren’t mosh pits at Clash concerts - they were an American import after the Clash had packed in. I doubt you ever saw them live. And, if you think of punk rock as a working class movement providing a voice for the voiceless, you can see why Brexit has strong resonance with punk. Contempt you deserve.One more thing I dont lie I go to punk gigs and festivals to this day . No mosh pits. Ok . Brexit has nothing in connection to punk ethos or beliefs not one jot ffs. Good for you for going to punk gigs nowadays. But I don’t believe you’ve ever seen the Clash live. As to punk and Brexit, sadly we can’t get Strummer’s view which would have been interesting. I reckon he would have conflicted opinions. Like most folk. We do know, though, that John Lyndon is up for it. But he is (and always was) a bit of a prick. So, maybe not the best guide. |
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2019 7:57:01 GMT
Thanks for that I’d almost forgot how the streets ran with milk and honey when labour ran the place You most probably have.Since when has this become normal life?The people are suffering and when someone says they want to help ,all you do is diss them ,brainwashed and manipulated. The point is, if you think things are bad now, they will get a lot worse with a Corbyn Government. |
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on Nov 13, 2019 8:03:35 GMT
There’s nothing more anti-establishment than Brexit. You have led a sheltered life fella,get out more. So maybe Boris is a punk rocker.I wished id seen him down the mosh pit at The Clash gigs  There weren’t mosh pits at Clash concerts - they were an American import after the Clash had packed in. I doubt you ever saw them live. And, if you think of punk rock as a working class movement providing a voice for the voiceless, you can see why Brexit has strong resonance with punk. Nevermind the mosh pit, I used to go watch the Jam as a kid & we were lucky get out alive. It used to proper go off at concerts like it did at football. Punk girls were regularly assaulted. Joris going on about the Clash reminds me of when Cameron said he loved Eton Riffles & Paul Weller said he hadn’t been paying attention. |
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on Nov 13, 2019 8:04:25 GMT
You most probably have.Since when has this become normal life?The people are suffering and when someone says they want to help ,all you do is diss them ,brainwashed and manipulated. The point is, if you think things are bad now, they will get a lot worse with a Corbyn Government. & they will under Johnson also. |
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 8:07:57 GMT
There weren’t mosh pits at Clash concerts - they were an American import after the Clash had packed in. I doubt you ever saw them live. And, if you think of punk rock as a working class movement providing a voice for the voiceless, you can see why Brexit has strong resonance with punk. Nevermind the mosh pit, I used to go watch the Jam as a kid & we were lucky get out alive. It used to proper go off at concerts like it did at football. Punk girls were regularly assaulted. Joris going on about the Clash reminds me of when Cameron said he loved Eton Riffles & Paul Weller said he hadn’t been paying attention. Correct. The Jam were the second group I saw live too. Dont know if you have seen From The Jam with Foxton but they are good for a blast down memory lane. |
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2019 8:09:24 GMT
There weren’t mosh pits at Clash concerts - they were an American import after the Clash had packed in. I doubt you ever saw them live. And, if you think of punk rock as a working class movement providing a voice for the voiceless, you can see why Brexit has strong resonance with punk. Nevermind the mosh pit, I used to go watch the Jam as a kid & we were lucky get out alive. It used to proper go off at concerts like it did at football. Punk girls were regularly assaulted. Joris going on about the Clash reminds me of when Cameron said he loved Eton Riffles & Paul Weller said he hadn’t been paying attention. The most violent concert I went to was a Jam concert - there were pitch battles everywhere. Nothing to do with the band though - just rival gangs kicking off. Politicians trying to be with it is just embarrassing. Even more when they clearly weren’t. Mind you Strummer did come from a privileged background so maybe Johnson finds some resonance there. |
|
|
|
Post by wagsastokie on Nov 13, 2019 8:10:11 GMT
Thanks for that I’d almost forgot how the streets ran with milk and honey when labour ran the place You most probably have.Since when has this become normal life?The people are suffering and when someone says they want to help ,all you do is diss them ,brainwashed and manipulated. If I was brainwashed I’d be a member of the corbyn cult club My father was voting labour probably before you were a thought in your grandfathers ball beg I am proud of my working class roots I have deep sympathy for those that are finding life a struggle as I have being disabled my self with chronic health problems I rely on what the state kindly allows me knowing full well it’s comes from the pocket of hard working individuals not the state it’s self And it’s protecting the pockets of the hard working man that will allow me to continue to live with a reasonable level of dignity Which is why I will not allow myself to be manipulated by labour propaganda And will be voting Tory |
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 8:10:59 GMT
Contempt you deserve.One more thing I dont lie I go to punk gigs and festivals to this day . No mosh pits. Ok . Brexit has nothing in connection to punk ethos or beliefs not one jot ffs. Good for you for going to punk gigs nowadays. But I don’t believe you’ve ever seen the Clash live. As to punk and Brexit, sadly we can’t get Strummer’s view which would have been interesting. I reckon he would have conflicted opinions. Like most folk. We do know, though, that John Lyndon is up for it. But he is (and always was) a bit of a prick. So, maybe not the best guide. Couldn't care less what you believe..I have also met Strummer and played pool with Mick Jones. I was and still am into anarcho punk groups,but you wont have a clue so I wont waste your and my time .  |
|
|
|
Post by dutchstokie on Nov 13, 2019 8:11:04 GMT
For those of you who don't understand economics and also government finances ! the government can print any amount of money that they so wish this will have some effects on the economy however with a devaluing of the pound. however there are plusses and minuses in this. by investing in infrastructure at low interest rates not only do you pump money into the economy you create what is called a multiplier effect can be 20 or more times the amount invested. quick explanation company 1 pays workers they spend in company 2 then 2 to 3 etc etc this is a way to grow an economy and create more income and jobs etc. we then have labours proposals 1 nationalise railways net cost 0 how will it be done? by not renewing contracts for individual companies like virgin, south west trains providing the services but taking it back in house the money that at the moment go's to these companies and there profits instead of going to shareholders will go to government for projects or to re invest in the railways 2 nationalisation of energy, water, etc this again allows profits to go back to the government this would service the debt and also start paying it back buying back the government bonds that would pay for the initial expenditure remember this is at the lowest rate and people are interested in buying these bonds on international markets again we have the multiplier effect in play and the stopping of profits going out of the business in forms of dividends and them either going to the government or to reinvest and the same as above. the setting up of a generic drugs company this would allow the government to produce drugs cheaper and stop the drugs being charged to the nhs a lot cheaper a lot of general drugs are out of patent and can be replicated cheaper just look at the branded or not drugs you get from the chemist. net benefit the nhs. investment in nhs, other public services see multiplier effect also think about the boost these things will do for the economy. we then look at another policy de centralising of department this has a few effects by regionalising them and moving department out of London you have a number of effects 1 stimulating local economies 2 putting money where it is needed and being more cost effective .3 making it cheaper to run If you look behind the basic headline figures you actually see that it is quite a forward thinking proposal that will have beneficial benefits for future generations not only in a better infrastructure that can generate additional revenue and stimulate an economy it could also have a benefit on things like fuel poverty and job creation and lets not forget that the money invested is not being squandered its gaining the government assets that create revenue that will more than cover the initial expenditure on the initial loans etc. Essex Why would any shareholder or maybe even your or my pension fund want there share portfolio replaced by what after five years of McDonnells stewardship would be worthless government bonds Or maybe you just believe the labour government should compulsory nationalises the utility’s Stealing millions off the citizens of this couny C'mon wag, leave him alone, this is comedy gold !! I loving getting my daily dose of nonsense on here |
|
|
|
Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2019 8:11:20 GMT
The election campaigns seems to have taken the root of previous.... Labour v Tory with Brexit complicating and confusing things a bit with the LibDems shouting from the side to get a foothold. Which party can promise the most but still appear to be sensible with the economy plus let's attack the opposition personally or their policies. Party loyalty may mean that many people are forced to accept and defend some policies or people that they, when being honest with themselves, don't actually wholeheartedly believe and wish they were different. I've no Idea who came up with the Labour policy on Brexit but the more that people try to defend it the more it exposes politicians as discreditable, dishonest, arrogant, manipultive and devoid of real talent, ability and vision. At the moment Thornberry sums up the leadership. qualities of the UK, holding people in contempt , standing for Labour but appearing to be completely without any connection to ordinary people. in my opinion. Entitled career politicians might not be the best people to run the country. / ( As a small aside from the clip..Thornbery makes a small mistake , "mis saying" Remain instead of Leave.... nothing wrong in that, easy to do, we could all do it......... What passes under the radar...... the reason given for the mistake, laughed off, is that it is quarter to seven in the morning.....in my experience millions of people / colleagues / parents are up and working, one way or another, at this time, or arriving home from a night shift. The reality of" work". She is only doing her job). |
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2019 8:12:45 GMT
Nevermind the mosh pit, I used to go watch the Jam as a kid & we were lucky get out alive. It used to proper go off at concerts like it did at football. Punk girls were regularly assaulted. Joris going on about the Clash reminds me of when Cameron said he loved Eton Riffles & Paul Weller said he hadn’t been paying attention. Correct. The Jam were the second group I saw would have liked to see live too. Dont know if you have seen From The Jam with Foxton but they are good for a blast down memory lane. Just corrected that for you.  |
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 8:15:12 GMT
You most probably have.Since when has this become normal life?The people are suffering and when someone says they want to help ,all you do is diss them ,brainwashed and manipulated. If I was brainwashed I’d be a member of the corbyn cult club My father was voting labour probably before you were a thought in your grandfathers ball beg I am proud of my working class roots I have deep sympathy for those that are finding life a struggle as I have being disabled my self with chronic health problems I rely on what the state kindly allows me knowing full well it’s comes from the pocket of hard working individuals not the state it’s self And it’s protecting the pockets of the hard working man that will allow me to continue to live with a reasonable level of dignity Which is why I will not allow myself to be manipulated by labour propaganda And will be voting Tory Just mind boggling.Low wages,zero hours, babies of the tory regime = low taxes =less money going into the NHS and less money to spend on the countries infrastructure.Yeah you vote tory. The tories have never looked after the poorest of our nation look what they have done to the disabled over the past few years.Absolutely disgraceful. |
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 8:16:46 GMT
Correct. The Jam were the second group I saw would have liked to see live too. Dont know if you have seen From The Jam with Foxton but they are good for a blast down memory lane. Just corrected that for you. Not bad not bad.  |
|
|
|
Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 13, 2019 8:19:50 GMT
They are the Titmonk Party Armando  |
|
|
|
Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 13, 2019 8:23:52 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2019 8:23:58 GMT
Just corrected that for you. Not bad not bad. A blast from the past. These days it could be titled The Latter Day Punks |
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 9:02:14 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2019 9:14:41 GMT
For those of you who don't understand economics and also government finances ! the government can print any amount of money that they so wish this will have some effects on the economy however with a devaluing of the pound. however there are plusses and minuses in this. by investing in infrastructure at low interest rates not only do you pump money into the economy you create what is called a multiplier effect can be 20 or more times the amount invested. quick explanation company 1 pays workers they spend in company 2 then 2 to 3 etc etc this is a way to grow an economy and create more income and jobs etc. we then have labours proposals 1 nationalise railways net cost 0 how will it be done? by not renewing contracts for individual companies like virgin, south west trains providing the services but taking it back in house the money that at the moment go's to these companies and there profits instead of going to shareholders will go to government for projects or to re invest in the railways 2 nationalisation of energy, water, etc this again allows profits to go back to the government this would service the debt and also start paying it back buying back the government bonds that would pay for the initial expenditure remember this is at the lowest rate and people are interested in buying these bonds on international markets again we have the multiplier effect in play and the stopping of profits going out of the business in forms of dividends and them either going to the government or to reinvest and the same as above. the setting up of a generic drugs company this would allow the government to produce drugs cheaper and stop the drugs being charged to the nhs a lot cheaper a lot of general drugs are out of patent and can be replicated cheaper just look at the branded or not drugs you get from the chemist. net benefit the nhs. investment in nhs, other public services see multiplier effect also think about the boost these things will do for the economy. we then look at another policy de centralising of department this has a few effects by regionalising them and moving department out of London you have a number of effects 1 stimulating local economies 2 putting money where it is needed and being more cost effective .3 making it cheaper to run If you look behind the basic headline figures you actually see that it is quite a forward thinking proposal that will have beneficial benefits for future generations not only in a better infrastructure that can generate additional revenue and stimulate an economy it could also have a benefit on things like fuel poverty and job creation and lets not forget that the money invested is not being squandered its gaining the government assets that create revenue that will more than cover the initial expenditure on the initial loans etc.  You actually believe that well if that is the case given the hundreds of billions Labour has wasted on PFI in the NHS with your multiplier effect we should be shitting money but...... |
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Nov 13, 2019 9:30:17 GMT
If you do nothing else this election campaign watch this car crash. Was it written by Armand Iannucci?! The Clash, the fucking Cash I hope Joe Strummer haunts the cunt! Remember though, when he suspended parliament he fought the law. And the law won. |
|
|
|
Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2019 9:32:18 GMT
For those of you who don't understand economics and also government finances ! the government can print any amount of money that they so wish this will have some effects on the economy however with a devaluing of the pound. however there are plusses and minuses in this. by investing in infrastructure at low interest rates not only do you pump money into the economy you create what is called a multiplier effect can be 20 or more times the amount invested. quick explanation company 1 pays workers they spend in company 2 then 2 to 3 etc etc this is a way to grow an economy and create more income and jobs etc. we then have labours proposals 1 nationalise railways net cost 0 how will it be done? by not renewing contracts for individual companies like virgin, south west trains providing the services but taking it back in house the money that at the moment go's to these companies and there profits instead of going to shareholders will go to government for projects or to re invest in the railways 2 nationalisation of energy, water, etc this again allows profits to go back to the government this would service the debt and also start paying it back buying back the government bonds that would pay for the initial expenditure remember this is at the lowest rate and people are interested in buying these bonds on international markets again we have the multiplier effect in play and the stopping of profits going out of the business in forms of dividends and them either going to the government or to reinvest and the same as above. the setting up of a generic drugs company this would allow the government to produce drugs cheaper and stop the drugs being charged to the nhs a lot cheaper a lot of general drugs are out of patent and can be replicated cheaper just look at the branded or not drugs you get from the chemist. net benefit the nhs. investment in nhs, other public services see multiplier effect also think about the boost these things will do for the economy. we then look at another policy de centralising of department this has a few effects by regionalising them and moving department out of London you have a number of effects 1 stimulating local economies 2 putting money where it is needed and being more cost effective .3 making it cheaper to run If you look behind the basic headline figures you actually see that it is quite a forward thinking proposal that will have beneficial benefits for future generations not only in a better infrastructure that can generate additional revenue and stimulate an economy it could also have a benefit on things like fuel poverty and job creation and lets not forget that the money invested is not being squandered its gaining the government assets that create revenue that will more than cover the initial expenditure on the initial loans etc. Congratulations on one of the daftest posts seen on the Oatcake for a long time. I can’t be arsed correcting the litany of fantasy economics you’ve concocted but I will make one point - are you aware of “The Fourth Rail Package of 2016”. Basically it means you cannot do what you are proposing if you are a member of the EU. lets be honest here you cant argue with the economic points as you don't understand them so are trying to bluff your way through it to back your political stance and hoodwink other readers!! |
|
|
|
Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2019 9:38:08 GMT
actually you are incorrect here im posting a link to an explanation on polls linkHow does the information on that link support your argument? you quoted that it was illegal and regulated when it is nothing of the sort and can be manipulated by the questions, the area you do it in and the political persuasion of the owners of the company. a famous quote there are lies dam lies and statistics . In marketing you study these effects and yes again it was part of my degree in fact one of my stronger subjects!! |
|
|
|
Post by Davef on Nov 13, 2019 9:38:22 GMT
Well that settles it. I'm definitely voting Labour.
|
|
|
|
Post by serpico on Nov 13, 2019 9:42:03 GMT
I add milk with the bag still in, you can better control the strength of the brew.
|
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Nov 13, 2019 9:46:07 GMT
Did you Johnson when he had that mop?
|
|
|
|
Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2019 9:46:25 GMT
For those of you who don't understand economics and also government finances ! the government can print any amount of money that they so wish this will have some effects on the economy however with a devaluing of the pound. however there are plusses and minuses in this. by investing in infrastructure at low interest rates not only do you pump money into the economy you create what is called a multiplier effect can be 20 or more times the amount invested. quick explanation company 1 pays workers they spend in company 2 then 2 to 3 etc etc this is a way to grow an economy and create more income and jobs etc. we then have labours proposals 1 nationalise railways net cost 0 how will it be done? by not renewing contracts for individual companies like virgin, south west trains providing the services but taking it back in house the money that at the moment go's to these companies and there profits instead of going to shareholders will go to government for projects or to re invest in the railways 2 nationalisation of energy, water, etc this again allows profits to go back to the government this would service the debt and also start paying it back buying back the government bonds that would pay for the initial expenditure remember this is at the lowest rate and people are interested in buying these bonds on international markets again we have the multiplier effect in play and the stopping of profits going out of the business in forms of dividends and them either going to the government or to reinvest and the same as above. the setting up of a generic drugs company this would allow the government to produce drugs cheaper and stop the drugs being charged to the nhs a lot cheaper a lot of general drugs are out of patent and can be replicated cheaper just look at the branded or not drugs you get from the chemist. net benefit the nhs. investment in nhs, other public services see multiplier effect also think about the boost these things will do for the economy. we then look at another policy de centralising of department this has a few effects by regionalising them and moving department out of London you have a number of effects 1 stimulating local economies 2 putting money where it is needed and being more cost effective .3 making it cheaper to run If you look behind the basic headline figures you actually see that it is quite a forward thinking proposal that will have beneficial benefits for future generations not only in a better infrastructure that can generate additional revenue and stimulate an economy it could also have a benefit on things like fuel poverty and job creation and lets not forget that the money invested is not being squandered its gaining the government assets that create revenue that will more than cover the initial expenditure on the initial loans etc. Well it worked like a dream last time it was tried didn't it , the losses incurred by the then governments of Wilson , Callaghan and Heath saw us begging the IMF to bale us out . all of the nationalised industries lost fortunes and were a shambles due to lack of investment and poor management were now talking about companies in profit who instead of investing in a crumbling infrastructure eg water leeks or going for renewable energy are more interested in paying dividends to shareholders and taking that money out of the system lets then look at what party oversaw most of that time and the running of the nationalised industries oh yes the tories who wanted to give bribes tax cuts to the rich then sold the companies off on the cheap to there mates in the city at a huge loss to the tax payer! |
|
|
|
Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2019 9:51:35 GMT
You most probably have.Since when has this become normal life?The people are suffering and when someone says they want to help ,all you do is diss them ,brainwashed and manipulated. If I was brainwashed I’d be a member of the corbyn cult club My father was voting labour probably before you were a thought in your grandfathers ball beg I am proud of my working class roots I have deep sympathy for those that are finding life a struggle as I have being disabled my self with chronic health problems I rely on what the state kindly allows me knowing full well it’s comes from the pocket of hard working individuals not the state it’s self And it’s protecting the pockets of the hard working man that will allow me to continue to live with a reasonable level of dignity Which is why I will not allow myself to be manipulated by labour propaganda And will be voting Tory so your being manipulated by the tory press and voting for a proven liar and racist ! good on you for not being manipulated  |
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Nov 13, 2019 9:54:13 GMT
It's worth noting that without Farage grandstanding about "standing down" in Tory seats, his party were in sharp decline in the polls and Johnson had done a decent job of winning back many of the people thinking about voting for the Brexit Party. Farage has seen the writing on the wall, elected not to put himself in the firing line, and is now suggesting he will give Johnson a chance - like he has any choice in the matter. It's now about saving face for Farage and the Brexit Party. I imagine something has happened behind the scenes to leave him and his party in such a hopeless state - I thought they were good for at least 5-15 seats not too long ago, but not they'll be lucky to get one. For his disciples they can at least rest assured that come December 13th December he'll be like Scrappy Doo, saying how he would teach these career politicians a lesson if only he had a chance - like a general election or something. Peerage. He shat on the vanity project party he created for a peerage. Plenty of candidates had submitted huge amounts to run their campaigns and Farage doesn't give a shyte. So-I-say...thank you for your money, the booze I'm drinking all my fags and luxurious living My fuck-off house in London I ask in all honestly why would you trust me? Without a scam or a lie what are we? So I say thank you for the money For giving it to me' (Non-refundable) |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 9:55:22 GMT
If I was brainwashed I’d be a member of the corbyn cult club My father was voting labour probably before you were a thought in your grandfathers ball beg I am proud of my working class roots I have deep sympathy for those that are finding life a struggle as I have being disabled my self with chronic health problems I rely on what the state kindly allows me knowing full well it’s comes from the pocket of hard working individuals not the state it’s self And it’s protecting the pockets of the hard working man that will allow me to continue to live with a reasonable level of dignity Which is why I will not allow myself to be manipulated by labour propaganda And will be voting Tory so your being manipulated by the tory press and voting for a proven liar and racist ! good on you for not being manipulated "A proven liar and a racist" hmmm could that not be leveled at both the main party leaders? |
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Nov 13, 2019 10:09:29 GMT
so your being manipulated by the tory press and voting for a proven liar and racist ! good on you for not being manipulated "A proven liar and a racist" hmmm could that not be leveled at both the main party leaders? At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. |
|
No mosh pits. Ok . 
