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Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2019 10:10:55 GMT
For those of you who don't understand economics and also government finances ! the government can print any amount of money that they so wish this will have some effects on the economy however with a devaluing of the pound. however there are plusses and minuses in this. by investing in infrastructure at low interest rates not only do you pump money into the economy you create what is called a multiplier effect can be 20 or more times the amount invested. quick explanation company 1 pays workers they spend in company 2 then 2 to 3 etc etc this is a way to grow an economy and create more income and jobs etc. we then have labours proposals 1 nationalise railways net cost 0 how will it be done? by not renewing contracts for individual companies like virgin, south west trains providing the services but taking it back in house the money that at the moment go's to these companies and there profits instead of going to shareholders will go to government for projects or to re invest in the railways 2 nationalisation of energy, water, etc this again allows profits to go back to the government this would service the debt and also start paying it back buying back the government bonds that would pay for the initial expenditure remember this is at the lowest rate and people are interested in buying these bonds on international markets again we have the multiplier effect in play and the stopping of profits going out of the business in forms of dividends and them either going to the government or to reinvest and the same as above. the setting up of a generic drugs company this would allow the government to produce drugs cheaper and stop the drugs being charged to the nhs a lot cheaper a lot of general drugs are out of patent and can be replicated cheaper just look at the branded or not drugs you get from the chemist. net benefit the nhs. investment in nhs, other public services see multiplier effect also think about the boost these things will do for the economy. we then look at another policy de centralising of department this has a few effects by regionalising them and moving department out of London you have a number of effects 1 stimulating local economies 2 putting money where it is needed and being more cost effective .3 making it cheaper to run If you look behind the basic headline figures you actually see that it is quite a forward thinking proposal that will have beneficial benefits for future generations not only in a better infrastructure that can generate additional revenue and stimulate an economy it could also have a benefit on things like fuel poverty and job creation and lets not forget that the money invested is not being squandered its gaining the government assets that create revenue that will more than cover the initial expenditure on the initial loans etc.  You actually believe that well if that is the case given the hundreds of billions Labour has wasted on PFI in the NHS with your multiplier effect we should be shitting money but...... ok so have you studied economics?? lets look at pfis shall we who introduced them the tories, why did labour have to use them because we had crumbling unsafe schools hospitals etc and had no money to improve them because of tory mismanagement. giving tax cuts to the rich while selling off the family silver!! We did have a growing economy and strong economic management until the global economic crises caused by toxic debt and tory bankers ruining our banks!! labour had to come in and rescue the banks to stop a financial meltdown that would have effected us all. Since that time this government have overseen the more than doubling of the national debt and there use of the magic money tree to pay bribes, they have for 2 elections now either refused or not published the financial data behind there pledges and there costs. they have also not provided economic impact statements on the cost of johnsons deal something that is always done with legislation. what have they got to hide or is it that they are so inept they are making it up as they go along while shouting out and lying about other parties costed plans!! to cover up there own ineptitude!! |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 13, 2019 10:15:06 GMT
"A proven liar and a racist" hmmm could that not be leveled at both the main party leaders? At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. good of you to notice that with the tories cosying up to the DUP |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 10:24:03 GMT
At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. good of you to notice that with the tories cosying up to the DUP There's none so blind as those who will not see. If you think think that Corbyn is morally any different than Johnson then you're even dafter than your high and mighty I've done a bit of Economics rantings/ramblings make you sound. It's easy to admit that both leaders are well dodgy, it goes with the career path they've both chosen. Just embrace the fact that both Corbyn & Johnson are wankers, you'll feel much better for it. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2019 10:55:44 GMT
ok so have you studied economics?? lets look at pfis shall we who introduced them the tories, why did labour have to use them because we had crumbling unsafe schools hospitals etc and had no money to improve them because of tory mismanagement. giving tax cuts to the rich while selling off the family silver!! We did have a growing economy and strong economic management until the global economic crises caused by toxic debt and tory bankers ruining our banks!! labour had to come in and rescue the banks to stop a financial meltdown that would have effected us all. Since that time this government have overseen the more than doubling of the national debt and there use of the magic money tree to pay bribes, they have for 2 elections now either refused or not published the financial data behind there pledges and there costs. they have also not provided economic impact statements on the cost of johnsons deal something that is always done with legislation. what have they got to hide or is it that they are so inept they are making it up as they go along while shouting out and lying about other parties costed plans!! to cover up there own ineptitude!! You really are economically illiterate too aren't you, yes I have studied economics. 1. PFI was introduced by the Tories to manage small projects to ensure cost management and timeliness of completion 2. Labour splurged billions on PFI towards the end of Blair to allow Brown to lie and say he had met his borrowing tests as PFI counted then as off balance sheet financing ie the debt on it wasn't included in the borrowing figures. This was after a decade of Labour government so the state of the buildings was down to them 3. Strong economic management, who was responsible for regulating and managing the banks ? Clue Labour 4. Labour didn't have to come in and rescue the banks they could have allowed TSB a £200m loan to buy Northern Rock but refused because they didn't want to see redundancies in their Newcastle base so instead they dithered bailed them out and other banks for hundreds of billions 5. Remember Labour said there was no money left 6. Yes the government has seen the debt double because Labour left behind a £100 billion+ annual deficit this is not for capital projects or one offs but for just day to day running of government services Labour was borrowing £100 billion+ every year just to keep things the same, that is EVERY YEAR hence why the government had to try and cut spending. 7. Its not a bribe the money goes to the Northern Ireland government to spend in Northern Ireland 8. The budgets have costed many of their plans already, the manifesto has yet to be published for 2019........ I could go on and on but there really is no point..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 11:08:38 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 11:17:44 GMT
"A proven liar and a racist" hmmm could that not be leveled at both the main party leaders? At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 13, 2019 11:25:46 GMT
ok so have you studied economics?? lets look at pfis shall we who introduced them the tories, why did labour have to use them because we had crumbling unsafe schools hospitals etc and had no money to improve them because of tory mismanagement. giving tax cuts to the rich while selling off the family silver!! We did have a growing economy and strong economic management until the global economic crises caused by toxic debt and tory bankers ruining our banks!! labour had to come in and rescue the banks to stop a financial meltdown that would have effected us all. Since that time this government have overseen the more than doubling of the national debt and there use of the magic money tree to pay bribes, they have for 2 elections now either refused or not published the financial data behind there pledges and there costs. they have also not provided economic impact statements on the cost of johnsons deal something that is always done with legislation. what have they got to hide or is it that they are so inept they are making it up as they go along while shouting out and lying about other parties costed plans!! to cover up there own ineptitude!! You really are economically illiterate too aren't you, yes I have studied economics. 1. PFI was introduced by the Tories to manage small projects to ensure cost management and timeliness of completion 2. Labour splurged billions on PFI towards the end of Blair to allow Brown to lie and say he had met his borrowing tests as PFI counted then as off balance sheet financing ie the debt on it wasn't included in the borrowing figures. This was after a decade of Labour government so the state of the buildings was down to them 3. Strong economic management, who was responsible for regulating and managing the banks ? Clue Labour 4. Labour didn't have to come in and rescue the banks they could have allowed TSB a £200m loan to buy Northern Rock but refused because they didn't want to see redundancies in their Newcastle base so instead they dithered bailed them out and other banks for hundreds of billions 5. Remember Labour said there was no money left 6. Yes the government has seen the debt double because Labour left behind a £100 billion+ annual deficit this is not for capital projects or one offs but for just day to day running of government services Labour was borrowing £100 billion+ every year just to keep things the same, that is EVERY YEAR hence why the government had to try and cut spending. 7. Its not a bribe the money goes to the Northern Ireland government to spend in Northern Ireland 8. The budgets have costed many of their plans already, the manifesto has yet to be published for 2019........ I could go on and on but there really is no point..... This is what essexstokey seems to fail to relaise….that government after government are continually correcting the mistakes of the government before them, and so the charade continues ad finitum. Still - let him type away...we wait with baited breath for the next installment of 'I hate the Tories' (Pssssst…. p.s. I love Boris )  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 11:29:59 GMT
At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. Until Wikipedia disappears, crapslinger will keep copying and pasting posting...... |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2019 11:32:34 GMT
You really are economically illiterate too aren't you, yes I have studied economics. 1. PFI was introduced by the Tories to manage small projects to ensure cost management and timeliness of completion 2. Labour splurged billions on PFI towards the end of Blair to allow Brown to lie and say he had met his borrowing tests as PFI counted then as off balance sheet financing ie the debt on it wasn't included in the borrowing figures. This was after a decade of Labour government so the state of the buildings was down to them 3. Strong economic management, who was responsible for regulating and managing the banks ? Clue Labour 4. Labour didn't have to come in and rescue the banks they could have allowed TSB a £200m loan to buy Northern Rock but refused because they didn't want to see redundancies in their Newcastle base so instead they dithered bailed them out and other banks for hundreds of billions 5. Remember Labour said there was no money left 6. Yes the government has seen the debt double because Labour left behind a £100 billion+ annual deficit this is not for capital projects or one offs but for just day to day running of government services Labour was borrowing £100 billion+ every year just to keep things the same, that is EVERY YEAR hence why the government had to try and cut spending. 7. Its not a bribe the money goes to the Northern Ireland government to spend in Northern Ireland 8. The budgets have costed many of their plans already, the manifesto has yet to be published for 2019........ I could go on and on but there really is no point..... This is what essexstokey seems to fail to relaise….that government after government are continually correcting the mistakes of the government before them, and so the charade continues ad finitum. Still - let him type away...we wait with baited breath for the next installment of 'I hate the Tories' (Pssssst…. p.s. I love Boris ) Indeed its like blaming Michael O'Neill for the fact we arent in the premier league this season (although obviously by the end of the season we will be  ) It's also why nationalisation will not work because every government will keep prices down rather thsn make long term investment to maintain or improve services and thats before we get onto staff pay demands, strikes etc etc |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2019 11:36:15 GMT
At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. He said terrorist sympathiser not terrorist although if you look at his plans he will commit economic terrorism. And plenty of people give a shit, anyone with family in the forces or police remembers exactly what the IRA did and how he supported them, how he wants to disband Nato and use trident as a taxi service only but hey free stuff for you... |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 13, 2019 11:54:29 GMT
At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. No he's terrorist sympathiser/apologist, and I think you will find quiet a few people give a shit about what he is especially anyone who has had experiences of serving in our armed forces. Do you agree with his stance or Abbottpotamus's on terrorist organisations ? |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 13, 2019 11:56:40 GMT
Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. Until Wikipedia disappears, crapslinger will keep copying and pasting posting...... Still loving Jew hating Marx and his followers are you, you political geek you |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 13, 2019 11:58:23 GMT
Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. He said terrorist sympathiser not terrorist although if you look at his plans he will commit economic terrorism. And plenty of people give a shit, anyone with family in the forces or police remembers exactly what the IRA did and how he supported them, how he wants to disband Nato and use trident as a taxi service only but hey free stuff for you... Beat me to it FYD, I don't think he is overly bright tbh, perfect fit for mongmentum. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 13, 2019 12:03:38 GMT
At least one of them is also a terrorist sympathising/apologist. Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. This guy gives a shit..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 12:10:02 GMT
Until Wikipedia disappears, crapslinger will keep copying and pasting posting...... Still loving Jew hating Marx and his followers are you, you political geek you Reading someone's work and find it interesting equals loving someone in crapslinger's simple world...... |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 12:12:23 GMT
Until Wikipedia disappears, crapslinger will keep copying and pasting posting...... Still loving Jew hating Marx and his followers are you, you political geek you I think people love the jews as much as you dislike muslims. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 12:14:03 GMT
Still loving Jew hating Marx and his followers are you, you political geek you Reading someone's work and find it interesting equals loving someone in crapslinger's simple world...... You must be a Marxist if you read Karl Marx dont you understand. Must be funny hour on here today. |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2019 12:16:34 GMT
Corby is a terrorist blah blah yawn yawn. No one gives a shit. Christ you are so boring and predictable are you a male maybot. This guy gives a shit..... white tick,middle old age tick,living in the past tick,likes haggis with chips tick. |
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Post by lordb on Nov 13, 2019 12:16:51 GMT
This election is increasingly bizarre
Senior Tory decrying a potential Tory majority as bad for the country
ex Labour shadow cabinet chap saying vote Tory to keep Corbyn out
more than one party floating flimsy election deals
still surprises me to see posts suggesting there is going to be a clear Tory majority without doubt
I think there has to be lots of doubt about everything
my guess is that both Labour & the Tories will end up with less MP's than they currently have but with some spectacular wins in some places & equally spectacular defeats in others, more so than previous GE's
Would be surprised if Brexit party win seats, upto 3 MP's would be a major success for them, woudl expect they will get none however they will get millions of votes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 12:23:25 GMT
Swinson looks more like a Head Girl from school but she's upset the Remainers as she isn't playing along with Labour in a key marginal. Labour had a 187 vote margin over the Tories in Canterbury at the last election. Frustrated Remainers urge the Liberal Democrats to stand aside for Labour in a key election seat link |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 13, 2019 12:26:15 GMT
This guy gives a shit..... white tick,middle old age tick,living in the past tick,likes haggis with chips tick. So his opinions aren't valid? Tick You seem a tad confrontational today fella, something bothering you? |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 13, 2019 12:48:14 GMT
This guy gives a shit..... white tick,middle old age tick,living in the past tick,likes haggis with chips tick. Didn't realise red jez likes Haggis. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 13, 2019 12:50:33 GMT
"outrage"  Sly Views crack me up. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 13, 2019 12:55:44 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 13, 2019 12:57:33 GMT
The Rt Hon Robert Jenrick, Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government will be on walkabout through NuL today if you fancy hearing how the town will benefit from the Conservatives Stronger Towns Fund. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 13, 2019 13:06:01 GMT
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Post by foster on Nov 13, 2019 13:06:56 GMT
Swinson looks more like a Head Girl from school but she's upset the Remainers as she isn't playing along with Labour in a key marginal. Labour had a 187 vote margin over the Tories in Canterbury at the last election. Frustrated Remainers urge the Liberal Democrats to stand aside for Labour in a key election seat linkWhat are you picking on Swinson and her juicy succulent milky baps for? She can be my head girl any day of the week. |
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Post by foster on Nov 13, 2019 13:10:03 GMT
This guy gives a shit..... white tick,middle old age tick,living in the past tick,likes haggis with chips tick. Don't really get why at this time politicians bother to show their faces in public. They may as well do all their campaigning online and on TV rather than go out and risk getting heckled, which will undoubtedly happen. |
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Post by algor on Nov 13, 2019 13:10:36 GMT
white tick,middle old age tick,living in the past tick,likes haggis with chips tick. So his opinions aren't valid? Tick You seem a tad confrontational today fella, something bothering you? Everywhere he looks there is somebody who is both White and middle aged. That bothers the fuck out of him for some reason. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2019 13:36:04 GMT
white tick,middle old age tick,living in the past tick,likes haggis with chips tick. Don't really get why at this time politicians bother to show their faces in public. They may as well do all their campaigning online and on TV rather than go out and risk getting heckled, which will undoubtedly happen. Absolutely. I thought though that Corbyn handled that very well. Just ignore him. |
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Sly Views crack me up.
