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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 2, 2019 21:36:56 GMT
I'd have to see if Farage becomes Bozo's Mr. Derek first, it could affect the results  |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 2, 2019 21:37:46 GMT
A pound to Dougie Mac for every majority seat that Boris wins. I'll do the same for Corbyn. I'd have to see if Farage becomes Bozo's Mr. Derek first, it could affect the results Frit. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 21:39:58 GMT
So Bozo et al had no input at all then, had Bozo actually made his mind up at this time? I watched (little bits) of that docu drama about Brexit, didn't Cummings tell Farage to fuck off for being a bit thick? I didn't say that. At the moment both Johnson and Farage are saying the same thing. Pretty influential isn't he....even you have to wait to see what he does before you can guess what is going to happen. |
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Post by lommack on Sept 2, 2019 21:46:47 GMT
I'd have to see if Farage becomes Bozo's Mr. Derek first, it could affect the results Frit. Fucking to right the whole country should be frit of a Bozo Farage dream ticket. Might be a good time to invest in some jackboots mind |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 2, 2019 21:47:23 GMT
Farage has said he's open to a deal with the Tories but only if the WA is scrapped in it's entirety.
The Brexit Party will make or (hopefully) break this election for the Tories.
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Post by lommack on Sept 2, 2019 21:50:46 GMT
So Bozo et al had no input at all then, had Bozo actually made his mind up at this time? I watched (little bits) of that docu drama about Brexit, didn't Cummings tell Farage to fuck off for being a bit thick? I didn't say that. At the moment both Johnson and Farage are saying the same thing. Pretty influential isn't he....even you have to wait to see what he does before you can guess what is going to happen. Only because Bozo will do absolutely anything to stay in the job he believes he was born to do. Even kowtowing to that lunatic |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 2, 2019 21:52:59 GMT
I didn't say that. At the moment both Johnson and Farage are saying the same thing. Pretty influential isn't he....even you have to wait to see what he does before you can guess what is going to happen. Only because Bozo will do absolutely anything to stay in the job he believes he was born to do. Even kowtowing to that lunatic Yes he is the best one for the job at the moment. Not kowtowing, he is showing leadership. And Farage isn't a lunatic. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2019 6:49:58 GMT
Of course he was born to it. An old Etomian having a young woman marched out of Downing Street at gunpoint yesterday because Cummings has decided she isn't a true believer.
What a country we live in.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 7:26:51 GMT
Corbyn will pull back from an election at the moment and rightly so.Id imagine the DUP wont want one either.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 8:10:57 GMT
Should there be a general election ( and I don't think anything is by any means certain) Farage and the BREXIT party have massive decisions to make, especially in respect of splitting the Tory bote/ trusting the Tories / |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 8:21:39 GMT
The Johnson/Cummings strategy is now clear, it's base and it's brutal. Lose the vote this week, form an alliance with the Brexit Party and precipitate what they will designate as a 'people against parliament' general election, believing that a united Tory/Brexit 40% of the vote - that's what they'll get, the majority of the population do not want chaos and creeping fascism in this country - will defeat a divided opposition under the FPTP electoral system.
The choice is clear. Form an alliance or suffer exactly that fate.
These are unprecedented times. We need ONE candidate from Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP - whichever has the best chance of winning - standing in every seat against the Tories. Do that, and we will win. Continue with the squabbling and division and darkness will descend on the (soon no longer to be) UK in a way not seen in my lifetime.
NB: this does not make me a centrist, a neoliberal or a Blairite. It means I want these crypto-fascist (no hyperbole) Tories out by any means necessary
Those who disagree with my analysis are basically saying: rather a far right government than an unacceptable compromise. That’s what the German KPD did in the 30s when they decried the SPD as ‘social fascist’ and would not join them in the fight against the Nazis....until it was too late. Learn from history. I don’t like the Lib Dems either but literally anything is better than Johnson and Cummings getting a majority with a minority vote.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 8:23:16 GMT
The Johnson/Cummings strategy is now clear, it's base and it's brutal. Lose the vote this week, form an alliance with the Brexit Party and precipitate what they will designate as a 'people against parliament' general election, believing that a united Tory/Brexit 40% of the vote - that's what they'll get, the majority of the population do not want chaos and creeping fascism in this country - will defeat a divided opposition under the FPTP electoral system. The choice is clear. Form an alliance or suffer exactly that fate. These are unprecedented times. We need ONE candidate from Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP - whichever has the best chance of winning - standing in every seat against the Tories. Do that, and we will win. Continue with the squabbling and division and darkness will descend on the (soon no longer to be) UK in a way not seen in my lifetime. NB: this does not make me a centrist, a neoliberal or a Blairite. It means I want these crypto-fascist (no hyperbole) Tories out by any means necessary Who is "we"? |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 8:27:40 GMT
The Johnson/Cummings strategy is now clear, it's base and it's brutal. Lose the vote this week, form an alliance with the Brexit Party and precipitate what they will designate as a 'people against parliament' general election, believing that a united Tory/Brexit 40% of the vote - that's what they'll get, the majority of the population do not want chaos and creeping fascism in this country - will defeat a divided opposition under the FPTP electoral system. The choice is clear. Form an alliance or suffer exactly that fate. These are unprecedented times. We need ONE candidate from Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP - whichever has the best chance of winning - standing in every seat against the Tories. Do that, and we will win. Continue with the squabbling and division and darkness will descend on the (soon no longer to be) UK in a way not seen in my lifetime. NB: this does not make me a centrist, a neoliberal or a Blairite. It means I want these crypto-fascist (no hyperbole) Tories out by any means necessary Who is "we"? Anyone who wants to prevent a no deal exit from the EU. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 8:31:06 GMT
Anyone who wants to prevent a no deal exit from the EU. You are correct then. Those that want to prevent BREXIT need to get their act together. Would Swinson cooperate with Corbyn , seat by seat? What about Lucas? |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 8:36:32 GMT
Anyone who wants to prevent a no deal exit from the EU. You are correct then. Those that want to prevent BREXIT need to get their act together. Would Swinson cooperate with Corbyn , seat by seat? What about Lucas? Well the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the Lib Dems did a deal recently in Wales and won the seat and got rid of the tory.So it is possible. I personally accept the ref result,but I will not accept a no deal Im not looking to stop Breixt but to get the best deal we can.If no deal can be done then I would like to stay. |
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Post by lommack on Sept 3, 2019 8:44:04 GMT
Should there be a general election ( and I don't think anything is by any means certain) Farage and the BREXIT party have massive decisions to make, especially in respect of splitting the Tory bote/ trusting the Tories / The Tories will do absolutely anything to complete this right wing coup and return power to the privileged and elite. Cummings however thinks the pissed up populist is a thick twat and as Cummings runs the country it could get interesting |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 8:47:57 GMT
You are correct then. Those that want to prevent BREXIT need to get their act together. Would Swinson cooperate with Corbyn , seat by seat? What about Lucas? Well the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the Lib Dems did a deal recently in Wales and won the seat and got rid of the tory.So it is possible. I personally accept the ref result,but I will not accept a no deal Im not looking to stop Breixt but to get the best deal we can.If no deal can be done then I would like to stay. It's all about stopping BREXIT. A deal has nothing to do with it |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 8:48:57 GMT
Should there be a general election ( and I don't think anything is by any means certain) Farage and the BREXIT party have massive decisions to make, especially in respect of splitting the Tory bote/ trusting the Tories / The Tories will do absolutely anything to complete this right wing coup and return power to the privileged and elite. Cummings however thinks the pissed up populist is a thick twat and as Cummings runs the country it could get interesting I don't think that you are right there lommack c...a consistent opinion though |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2019 9:06:49 GMT
Voting against an election is never a good look for an opposition but you have to bear in mind that Johnson and Cummings are two of the most untrustworthy, underhand, scrutiny hating bastards to ever run this country. Unless there is a cast iron guarantee that the Executive will not change the date of the election on some trumped up premise after the vote to enact it, all opposition parties are well within their rights to refuse to back it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 3, 2019 9:13:08 GMT
You are correct then. Those that want to prevent BREXIT need to get their act together. Would Swinson cooperate with Corbyn , seat by seat? What about Lucas? Well the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the Lib Dems did a deal recently in Wales and won the seat and got rid of the tory.So it is possible. I personally accept the ref result,but I will not accept a no deal Im not looking to stop Breixt but to get the best deal we can.If no deal can be done then I would like to stay. What would you consider a good deal, Eggy? Or one you could live with? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 3, 2019 9:31:57 GMT
The Johnson/Cummings strategy is now clear, it's base and it's brutal. Lose the vote this week, form an alliance with the Brexit Party and precipitate what they will designate as a 'people against parliament' general election, believing that a united Tory/Brexit 40% of the vote - that's what they'll get, the majority of the population do not want chaos and creeping fascism in this country - will defeat a divided opposition under the FPTP electoral system. The choice is clear. Form an alliance or suffer exactly that fate. These are unprecedented times. We need ONE candidate from Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP - whichever has the best chance of winning - standing in every seat against the Tories. Do that, and we will win. Continue with the squabbling and division and darkness will descend on the (soon no longer to be) UK in a way not seen in my lifetime. NB: this does not make me a centrist, a neoliberal or a Blairite. It means I want these crypto-fascist (no hyperbole) Tories out by any means necessary Those who disagree with my analysis are basically saying: rather a far right government than an unacceptable compromise. That’s what the German KPD did in the 30s when they decried the SPD as ‘social fascist’ and would not join them in the fight against the Nazis....until it was too late. Learn from history. I don’t like the Lib Dems either but literally anything is better than Johnson and Cummings getting a majority with a minority vote. I take it that you watched The Rise Of The Nazis, Eggy? |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 9:46:28 GMT
The Johnson/Cummings strategy is now clear, it's base and it's brutal. Lose the vote this week, form an alliance with the Brexit Party and precipitate what they will designate as a 'people against parliament' general election, believing that a united Tory/Brexit 40% of the vote - that's what they'll get, the majority of the population do not want chaos and creeping fascism in this country - will defeat a divided opposition under the FPTP electoral system. The choice is clear. Form an alliance or suffer exactly that fate. These are unprecedented times. We need ONE candidate from Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP - whichever has the best chance of winning - standing in every seat against the Tories. Do that, and we will win. Continue with the squabbling and division and darkness will descend on the (soon no longer to be) UK in a way not seen in my lifetime. NB: this does not make me a centrist, a neoliberal or a Blairite. It means I want these crypto-fascist (no hyperbole) Tories out by any means necessary Those who disagree with my analysis are basically saying: rather a far right government than an unacceptable compromise. That’s what the German KPD did in the 30s when they decried the SPD as ‘social fascist’ and would not join them in the fight against the Nazis....until it was too late. Learn from history. I don’t like the Lib Dems either but literally anything is better than Johnson and Cummings getting a majority with a minority vote. I take it that you watched The Rise Of The Nazis, Eggy? Actually I didnt I had to google what is was.I have seen and read many documentaries and books on the matter though. Regarding what I consider a good deal is the million dollar question for everyone because everyone has a different opinion on the matter.This is where it falls down right from the start, due to the entire country including politicians, not really knowing where the referendum result would take us and what impact it will have on people and the economy. I suppose we could just give Ireland back to the Irish ,remove the British border and hey presto.  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 3, 2019 9:57:56 GMT
You are correct then. Those that want to prevent BREXIT need to get their act together. Would Swinson cooperate with Corbyn , seat by seat? What about Lucas? Well the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the Lib Dems did a deal recently in Wales and won the seat and got rid of the tory.So it is possible. I personally accept the ref result,but I will not accept a no deal Im not looking to stop Breixt but to get the best deal we can.If no deal can be done then I would like to stay. Wrong as usual the tories losing that seat was nothing to do with a lib lab Viet taff coalition if the brexit Party had of stood aside the Tory’s would of pissed it |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 3, 2019 9:59:02 GMT
I take it that you watched The Rise Of The Nazis, Eggy? Actually I didnt I had to google what is was.I have seen and read many documentaries and books on the matter though. Regarding what I consider a good deal is the million dollar question for everyone because everyone has a different opinion on the matter.This is where it falls down right from the start, due to the entire country including politicians, not really knowing where the referendum result would take us and what impact it will have on people and the economy. I suppose we could just give Ireland back to the Irish ,remove the British border and hey presto. It was pretty good, but like you, I have seen loads on the subject before. On Ireland, I think that's going to happen sooner or later anyway. Nige says removing the backstop won't be enough for him, so that's another slant. Did you like the WA, or did you think it was as terrible as most people seem to rate it? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 3, 2019 10:03:48 GMT
The Johnson/Cummings strategy is now clear, it's base and it's brutal. Lose the vote this week, form an alliance with the Brexit Party and precipitate what they will designate as a 'people against parliament' general election, believing that a united Tory/Brexit 40% of the vote - that's what they'll get, the majority of the population do not want chaos and creeping fascism in this country - will defeat a divided opposition under the FPTP electoral system. The choice is clear. Form an alliance or suffer exactly that fate. These are unprecedented times. We need ONE candidate from Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP - whichever has the best chance of winning - standing in every seat against the Tories. Do that, and we will win. Continue with the squabbling and division and darkness will descend on the (soon no longer to be) UK in a way not seen in my lifetime. NB: this does not make me a centrist, a neoliberal or a Blairite. It means I want these crypto-fascist (no hyperbole) Tories out by any means necessary Those who disagree with my analysis are basically saying: rather a far right government than an unacceptable compromise. That’s what the German KPD did in the 30s when they decried the SPD as ‘social fascist’ and would not join them in the fight against the Nazis....until it was too late. Learn from history. I don’t like the Lib Dems either but literally anything is better than Johnson and Cummings getting a majority with a minority vote. Falling into boris hand Exactly what he wants vote liberal get corbyn I can see that going down well in the vast tracts of the south west You can see the adverts already being produced |
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Post by countofmontecristo on Sept 3, 2019 10:20:05 GMT
I take it that you watched The Rise Of The Nazis, Eggy? Actually I didnt I had to google what is was.I have seen and read many documentaries and books on the matter though. Regarding what I consider a good deal is the million dollar question for everyone because everyone has a different opinion on the matter.This is where it falls down right from the start, due to the entire country including politicians, not really knowing where the referendum result would take us and what impact it will have on people and the economy. I suppose we could just give Ireland back to the Irish ,remove the British border and hey presto. Yes let's undemocratically ceed NI to Eire against the will of the people. Whilst democracy isnt your strong point even you may get the message when bombs are going off in Dublin, Galway and Brussells rather than London,Manchester and Warrington. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 3, 2019 10:49:08 GMT
Voting against an election is never a good look for an opposition but you have to bear in mind that Johnson and Cummings are two of the most untrustworthy, underhand, scrutiny hating bastards to ever run this country. Unless there is a cast iron guarantee that the Executive will not change the date of the election on some trumped up premise after the vote to enact it, all opposition parties are well within their rights to refuse to back it. Even if that guarantee was forthcoming, you've got to think that may be Cummings has misjudged his strategy, if Corbyn says no to an election now under any circumstances. Surely that would give Jez the upper hand, as Johnson would be left in no man's land, wouldn't it? Parliament will have instructed him to ask for an extension and he can't boot out the Tory rebels who have voted against the government because he won't have an election to replace them with. Maybe I'm missing something. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 10:56:07 GMT
Voting against an election is never a good look for an opposition but you have to bear in mind that Johnson and Cummings are two of the most untrustworthy, underhand, scrutiny hating bastards to ever run this country. Unless there is a cast iron guarantee that the Executive will not change the date of the election on some trumped up premise after the vote to enact it, all opposition parties are well within their rights to refuse to back it. Even if that guarantee was forthcoming, you've got to think that may be Cummings has misjudged his strategy, if Corbyn says no to an election now under any circumstances. Surely that would give Jez the upper hand, as Johnson would be left in no man's land, wouldn't it? Parliament will have instructed him to ask for an extension and he can't boot out the Tory rebels who have voted against the government because he won't have an election to replace them with. Maybe I'm missing something. Sounds right to me Paul...but what would happen then? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 3, 2019 10:58:23 GMT
Even if that guarantee was forthcoming, you've got to think that may be Cummings has misjudged his strategy, if Corbyn says no to an election now under any circumstances. Surely that would give Jez the upper hand, as Johnson would be left in no man's land, wouldn't it? Parliament will have instructed him to ask for an extension and he can't boot out the Tory rebels who have voted against the government because he won't have an election to replace them with. Maybe I'm missing something. Sounds right to me Paul...but what would happen then? Johnson categorically said last night, that HE wouldn't ask for an extension, so I guess he would either have to resign or break the law? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 11:01:59 GMT
Sounds right to me Paul...but what would happen then? Johnson categorically said last night, that HE wouldn't ask for an extension, so I guess he would either have to resign or break the law? Whether it is technically breaking the law, I don't know. Perhaps the bill will be rejected??? |
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