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Post by Foster on Sept 3, 2019 11:12:03 GMT
Well the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the Lib Dems did a deal recently in Wales and won the seat and got rid of the tory.So it is possible. I personally accept the ref result,but I will not accept a no deal Im not looking to stop Breixt but to get the best deal we can.If no deal can be done then I would like to stay. Wrong as usual the tories losing that seat was nothing to do with a lib lab Viet taff coalition if the brexit Party had of stood aside the Tory’s would of pissed it Ever studied maths mate? If all Brexit votes had gone to Conservatives and all Labour to Lib Dems, effectively leave vs remain. Then Tories would have won by 1%. Hardly the Tories 'Pissing it' is it. It's clear as day that the labour voters voting for lib dems won them that seat, as if they hadn't then the Tories would have equaled them on 39%, without any help from the Brexit party. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2019 11:12:07 GMT
Voting against an election is never a good look for an opposition but you have to bear in mind that Johnson and Cummings are two of the most untrustworthy, underhand, scrutiny hating bastards to ever run this country. Unless there is a cast iron guarantee that the Executive will not change the date of the election on some trumped up premise after the vote to enact it, all opposition parties are well within their rights to refuse to back it. Even if that guarantee was forthcoming, you've got to think that may be Cummings has misjudged his strategy, if Corbyn says no to an election now under any circumstances. Surely that would give Jez the upper hand, as Johnson would be left in no man's land, wouldn't it? Parliament will have instructed him to ask for an extension and he can't boot out the Tory rebels who have voted against the government because he won't have an election to replace them with. Maybe I'm missing something. The guarantee has just come from No. 10 Paul, so I think you're right, they're pretty desperate for Corbyn to ratify an election should it come to it. Still not sure how an opposition refusing an election would look but it is an area of power the fixed term act has given to opposition leaders and not even Cummings can intervene in that! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 3, 2019 11:15:34 GMT
Johnson categorically said last night, that HE wouldn't ask for an extension, so I guess he would either have to resign or break the law? Whether it is technically breaking the law, I don't know. Perhaps the bill will be rejected??? Perhaps it will, obviously the premise of the conversation was that it will have been passed. Interesting to see how Corbyn plays it. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 3, 2019 11:18:27 GMT
Even if that guarantee was forthcoming, you've got to think that may be Cummings has misjudged his strategy, if Corbyn says no to an election now under any circumstances. Surely that would give Jez the upper hand, as Johnson would be left in no man's land, wouldn't it? Parliament will have instructed him to ask for an extension and he can't boot out the Tory rebels who have voted against the government because he won't have an election to replace them with. Maybe I'm missing something. The guarantee has just come from No. 10 Paul, so I think you're right, they're pretty desperate for Corbyn to ratify an election should it come to it. Still not sure how an opposition refusing an election would look but it is an area of power the fixed term act has given to opposition leaders and not even Cummings can intervene in that! It wouldn't look great but you've got to think, it might look great though, if, as a result, Johnson is left up shit creek without a paddle. |
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Post by Foster on Sept 3, 2019 11:22:34 GMT
The guarantee has just come from No. 10 Paul, so I think you're right, they're pretty desperate for Corbyn to ratify an election should it come to it. Still not sure how an opposition refusing an election would look but it is an area of power the fixed term act has given to opposition leaders and not even Cummings can intervene in that! It wouldn't look great but you've got to think, it might look great though, if, as a result, Johnson is left up shit creek without a paddle. Won't happen to Johnson. He's a man of detail who I'm sure has read up on article 5C by now. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2019 11:24:58 GMT
The guarantee has just come from No. 10 Paul, so I think you're right, they're pretty desperate for Corbyn to ratify an election should it come to it. Still not sure how an opposition refusing an election would look but it is an area of power the fixed term act has given to opposition leaders and not even Cummings can intervene in that! It wouldn't look great but you've got to think, it might look great though, if, as a result, Johnson is left up shit creek without a paddle. Yeah, there's only one two outcomes if the legislation passes today and an election isn't ratified. He has to ask for an extension as the law prescribes and face electoral obliteration when there is eventually a poll or he resigns. Oh dear, has Dominic made a miscalculation   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 11:34:29 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 12:35:35 GMT
Well the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the Lib Dems did a deal recently in Wales and won the seat and got rid of the tory.So it is possible. I personally accept the ref result,but I will not accept a no deal Im not looking to stop Breixt but to get the best deal we can.If no deal can be done then I would like to stay. Wrong as usual the tories losing that seat was nothing to do with a lib lab Viet taff coalition if the brexit Party had of stood aside the Tory’s would of pissed it Wrong as usual  Have it your way they lost.Live with it. Well done Lib Dems, Plaid and Green party.  |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 12:39:13 GMT
Actually I didnt I had to google what is was.I have seen and read many documentaries and books on the matter though. Regarding what I consider a good deal is the million dollar question for everyone because everyone has a different opinion on the matter.This is where it falls down right from the start, due to the entire country including politicians, not really knowing where the referendum result would take us and what impact it will have on people and the economy. I suppose we could just give Ireland back to the Irish ,remove the British border and hey presto.  Yes let's undemocratically ceed NI to Eire against the will of the people. Whilst democracy isnt your strong point even you may get the message when bombs are going off in Dublin, Galway and Brussells rather than London,Manchester and Warrington. You need help. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 12:40:02 GMT
Can't argue with that Fraise. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 12:41:22 GMT
Yes let's undemocratically ceed NI to Eire against the will of the people. Whilst democracy isnt your strong point even you may get the message when bombs are going off in Dublin, Galway and Brussells rather than London,Manchester and Warrington. You need help. A bit personal. Don't we all, some more than others. Im just about to " do " the garden, I could always use some help for that. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 3, 2019 12:47:42 GMT
Wrong as usual the tories losing that seat was nothing to do with a lib lab Viet taff coalition if the brexit Party had of stood aside the Tory’s would of pissed it Wrong as usual Have it your way they lost.Live with it. Well done Lib Dems, Plaid and Green party. I Am living with it When we have a Tory majority election at the next election are you prepared to live with it |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 12:58:22 GMT
A bit personal. Don't we all, some more than others. Im just about to " do " the garden, I could always use some help for that. Not personal.Just talking nonsense,the fella needs educating.Ill leave it at that. |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 13:00:05 GMT
Wrong as usual Have it your way they lost.Live with it. Well done Lib Dems, Plaid and Green party. I Am living with it When we have a Tory majority election at the next election are you prepared to live with it Im emigrating in a few years,but I am concerned about my fellow Stokies. The city and country are in dire straights and people want to continue the torture,beggars belief really. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 13:07:52 GMT
I Am living with it When we have a Tory majority election at the next election are you prepared to live with it Im emigrating in a few years,but I am concerned about my fellow Stokies. The city and country are in dire straights and people want to continue the torture,beggars belief really. Nice one ... bye 🖐🦲 |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 3, 2019 13:10:09 GMT
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Post by Foster on Sept 3, 2019 13:10:14 GMT
Im emigrating in a few years,but I am concerned about my fellow Stokies. The city and country are in dire straights and people want to continue the torture,beggars belief really. Nice one ... bye 🖐🦲  |
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Post by lommack on Sept 3, 2019 13:13:34 GMT
Wrong as usual Have it your way they lost.Live with it. Well done Lib Dems, Plaid and Green party. I Am living with it When we have a Tory majority election at the next election are you prepared to live with Is anybody ready for a Dominic Cummings led far right government? The old, the poor, the sick and any poor fucker who is expecting a modicum of fairness in the workplace better gird their loins. Dirty right wing nutters |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 3, 2019 13:14:31 GMT
A bit personal. Don't we all, some more than others. Im just about to " do " the garden, I could always use some help for that. Not personal.Just talking nonsense,the fella needs educating.Ill leave it at that. Very condescending, I'll leave it at that |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2019 13:15:02 GMT
Rules are just for poor people and serfs to follow, as far as the Fat Dictator is concerned.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 13:15:16 GMT
Im emigrating in a few years,but I am concerned about my fellow Stokies. The city and country are in dire straights and people want to continue the torture,beggars belief really. Nice one ... bye 🖐🦲 Charming .Ill pass the best wishes on to my family. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2019 13:17:42 GMT
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Post by lommack on Sept 3, 2019 13:24:00 GMT
This is only the start. It's only a matter of time before government via twitter |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 3, 2019 13:32:04 GMT
This is only the start. It's only a matter of time before government via twitter Slightly better than government by politburo |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 3, 2019 13:33:04 GMT
Living in N/Ireland,we will have the honour of voting for polititions who have refused to sit on the N/Ireland assembly for years,whilst still picking up their pay.
These Cuntrags will have the nerve to ask for our votes.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 3, 2019 14:05:18 GMT
Living in N/Ireland,we will have the honour of voting for polititions who have refused to sit on the N/Ireland assembly for years,whilst still picking up their pay. These Cuntrags will have the nerve to ask for our votes. Do you think the DUP will remain the largest party if there is an election?Seeing as most people in NI wanted to remain. |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 3, 2019 14:35:32 GMT
I Am living with it When we have a Tory majority election at the next election are you prepared to live with it Im emigrating in a few years,but I am concerned about my fellow Stokies. The city and country are in dire straights and people want to continue the torture,beggars belief really. It must keep you awake at night |
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Post by countofmontecristo on Sept 3, 2019 15:45:34 GMT
A bit personal. Don't we all, some more than others. Im just about to " do " the garden, I could always use some help for that. Not personal.Just talking nonsense,the fella needs educating.Ill leave it at that. No you won't. Educate me. |
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Post by robstokie on Sept 3, 2019 19:30:53 GMT
Living in N/Ireland,we will have the honour of voting for polititions who have refused to sit on the N/Ireland assembly for years,whilst still picking up their pay. These Cuntrags will have the nerve to ask for our votes. Do you think the DUP will remain the largest party if there is an election?Seeing as most people in NI wanted to remain. Think they will - the people who will make the effort to go out and vote will most likely be the unionists. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 3, 2019 20:28:17 GMT
Living in N/Ireland,we will have the honour of voting for polititions who have refused to sit on the N/Ireland assembly for years,whilst still picking up their pay. These Cuntrags will have the nerve to ask for our votes. Do you think the DUP will remain the largest party if there is an election?Seeing as most people in NI wanted to remain. Voters over here rarely change,protestants will vote for the Unionists parties,Catholics will vote for either SInn Fein or the SDLP,politics has feck all to do with it,they vote for their own.  Some will vote for the Alliance party though. |
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Have it your way they lost.Live with it.
