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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 21:41:08 GMT
Apart from his bullshit in promising to put more money in the NHS, I agree. I’m fine. I’m on a good wedge, a house that continues to go up in value, and I’m paying less tax since the tories got in. What’s not to like? However, I only have to walk a few hundred metres to see how the system is failing more and more people. Which is more important than free broadband And there you have it the idea of a state run broadband sends a nasty chill down my spine, even labour supporters must be able to see the potential for abuse there ? unreal!
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:42:53 GMT
Which is more important than free broadband And there you have it the idea of a state run broadband sends a nasty chill down my spine, even labour supporters must be able to see the potential for abuse there ? unreal! Don’t moan about austerity and food banks whilst paying 50bn for free broadband
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 21:44:02 GMT
Apart from his bullshit in promising to put more money in the NHS, I agree. I’m fine. I’m on a good wedge, a house that continues to go up in value, and I’m paying less tax since the tories got in. What’s not to like? However, I only have to walk a few hundred metres to see how the system is failing more and more people. Which is more important than free broadband And there you have it Our broadband infrastructure needs updating. We have one of the lowest full fibre coverages in the world. It’s widely accepted this hinders the economy because businesses don’t have access to it. The current system is also massively expensive. The broadband companies at present are not sorting out the issue. The don’t think the benefit FOR THEM in profits is worth it because they don’t really care anything else. Just like we still have a Victorian railway infrastructure despite the campaign to privatise it saying privatisation would mean it would be updated. And now look it’s the government that needs to spend all the money update the infrastructure if HS2 were to happen so you’re paying anyway (and extortionate rail prices). So whilst this has been portrayed as a giveaway there’s a real reason for doing this. Not only the above but also the cost to small businesses not just homes.
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 21:44:22 GMT
You have answered your own question mate. "is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa" He doesn't need any biased media to show this! Laying flowers, Iranian TV interviews, The manifesto, a 70 year old man who is clearly an anti semitic. He doesn't really need any help from the media does he. I have no issue with the Labour party just the current lot who have hijacked it! He’s anti Zionist, mate. There isn’t a racist bone is his body. Do some digging, he has been on the right side of history, every time . Have a look a little closer . Then have a look at the original question. He is an anti semitic to the bone marrow! I have done some digging and found nothing to justify your enamour! Disagree and I want to be on ride side of the future! Have a look a little bit closer and see my original answer.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:46:07 GMT
Which is more important than free broadband And there you have it Free broadband? That’s all you have taken from the manifesto? Come on, dig deeper, rather than the Daily Mail/Sun headlines . What do you think about the increased spending on the NHS, police, and getting rid of tax evasion for the rich,which would bring in an extra £673 million a week,if we closed those loop holes? That’s why it’s bollocks please tell me why free broadband is worth the 50bn instead of more money Food banks Mental health Homelessness Nhs Social care Waspi The roads Housing Drug rehab Youth centres Crime Green issues Etc etc Free broadband is one of his big pledges but fucking hell its mor a priority. So actually the whole manifesto is bollocks. Ideology bollocks
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:46:26 GMT
Which is more important than free broadband And there you have it the idea of a state run broadband sends a nasty chill down my spine, even labour supporters must be able to see the potential for abuse there ? unreal! I’m not sure nationalised broad band should be sending chills down you, mate. Watching the closure of the police stations in Stoke and Newcastle town centre, and reading/witnessing,about the crime that has sky rocketed, as a result, should send a bigger shiver?
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:47:43 GMT
He’s anti Zionist, mate. There isn’t a racist bone is his body. Do some digging, he has been on the right side of history, every time . Have a look a little closer . Then have a look at the original question. He is an anti semitic to the bone marrow! I have done some digging and found nothing to justify your enamour! Disagree and I want to be on ride side of the future! Have a look a little bit closer and see my original answer. Give me one link to suggest he is anti Semitic . He’s anti Zionist, big difference.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:49:28 GMT
Free broadband? That’s all you have taken from the manifesto? Come on, dig deeper, rather than the Daily Mail/Sun headlines . What do you think about the increased spending on the NHS, police, and getting rid of tax evasion for the rich,which would bring in an extra £673 million a week,if we closed those loop holes? That’s why it’s bollocks please tell me why free broadband is worth the 50bn instead of more money Food banks Mental health Homelessness Nhs Social care Waspi The roads Housing Drug rehab Youth centres Crime Green issues Etc etc Free broadband is one of his big pledges but fucking hell its mor a priority. So actually the whole manifesto is bollocks. Ideology bollocks It’s not . He’s pledged more money on pretty much all of those issues.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:49:53 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:50:29 GMT
A decent labour leader should be able to come up with a credible manifesto and campaign that helps all without even mentioning the opposition
To me Corbyn is more about beating the tories than winning the election.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:51:23 GMT
the idea of a state run broadband sends a nasty chill down my spine, even labour supporters must be able to see the potential for abuse there ? unreal! I’m not sure nationalised broad band should be sending chills down you, mate. Watching the closure of the police stations in Stoke and Newcastle town centre, and reading/witnessing,about the crime that has sky rocketed, as a result, should send a bigger shiver? A nationalised broadband leads to internet control
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:52:12 GMT
Well forget about nationalised internet and spend more on services
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:54:11 GMT
I’m not sure nationalised broad band should be sending chills down you, mate. Watching the closure of the police stations in Stoke and Newcastle town centre, and reading/witnessing,about the crime that has sky rocketed, as a result, should send a bigger shiver? A nationalised broadband leads to internet control I don’t know, maybe, mate. It’s not a massive concern compared to where we are as a country at the moment. If that was the case, all they would find on my search engine is porn and arguing with oatcake lunatics.🙌
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 21:54:36 GMT
Well forget about nationalised internet and spend more on services The infrastructure needs updating. The private companies aren’t doing it. The government will have to pay if it going to be done. What would you rather - pay for and keep giving the profits to private companies or benefit from the investment the government is making?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 21:56:07 GMT
Our broadband infrastructure needs updating. We have one of the lowest full fibre coverages in the world. It’s widely accepted this hinders the economy because businesses don’t have access to it. The current system is also massively expensive. The broadband companies at present are not sorting out the issue. The don’t think the benefit FOR THEM in profits is worth it because they don’t really care anything else. Just like we still have a Victorian railway infrastructure despite the campaign to privatise it saying privatisation would mean it would be updated. And now look it’s the government that needs to spend all the money update the infrastructure if HS2 were to happen so you’re paying anyway (and extortionate rail prices). So whilst this has been portrayed as a giveaway there’s a real reason for doing this. Not only the above but also the cost to small businesses not just homes. It’s a problem - absolutely. So respect to Labour for identifying it. The problem is they’ve identified the wrong solution. What is needed is more competition. Competition doesn’t work because smaller companies struggle to get in. They also won’t pay to update the infrastructure. The bigger companies buy the smaller companies which is why competition never lasts. Or investors by them which is all about cutting costs and driving up profit.
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 21:57:08 GMT
You have answered your own question mate. "is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa" He doesn't need any biased media to show this! Laying flowers, Iranian TV interviews, The manifesto, a 70 year old man who is clearly an anti semitic. He doesn't really need any help from the media does he. I have no issue with the Labour party just the current lot who have hijacked it! For crying out loud he’s not anti Semitic. You don’t understand the difference between being anti Israel’s aggressive foreign policy and being racist and all Jews. He’s voted for peace instead of wars all his life. Been given awards from the Ghandi institute. It’s a pathetic slur. There are issues within all parties but you focus on Labour. The Conservatives continue to sell arms to Saudi Arabia who are known to fund ISIS and who’ve literally been waging war on Yemen where millions have died but I bet you could give a shit. And the what exactly in the manifesto is communist? Yeah making sure teachers and doctors and the health service works are properly paid is a fucking communist now? At least some people make valid points and raise valid concerns about the Conservatives and their issues you with Labour - you just continue to spout complete and utter shite. For crying out loud he's as anti Semitic as anti Semitic can be, I understand the difference between a Zionist and a Jew, you clearly don't! Nationalising industry is fucking retarded, you assume that they will be honest, productive and innovative! They are not they are the opposite. I have read your utter shite and complete hatred of the tory party post after post after post. I will never convince you and you will never convince me to have a different view. Lets speak again on the 13th of December!
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 29, 2019 21:57:47 GMT
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:58:06 GMT
Well forget about nationalised internet and spend more on services They are doing both. I don’t know enough about the broadband issue. I suppose it could turn a profit, if implemented well. But that’s a big if, but we are digressing from the original question of what the tories are pledging to improve my beloved home town, compared to labour. Nothing, is my answer. At least with labour there is a promise of real change this time.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 22:00:29 GMT
Well forget about nationalised internet and spend more on services They are doing both. I don’t know enough about the broadband issue. I suppose it could turn a profit, if implemented well. But that’s a big if, but we are digressing from the original question of what the tories are pledging to improve my beloved home town, compared to labour. Nothing, is my answer. At least with labour there is a promise of real change this time. And last time And the time before And the time before And the time before that Even Blair’s revolution promised real change for stoke on Trent So when is stoke on Trent going to benefit from labours entrenched vote? Maybe when they realise why they lost it
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 22:01:27 GMT
Come on mate. You live here , you know it’s not true. Waterworld and Monkey Forest, that’s it.
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 22:01:34 GMT
A nationalised broadband leads to internet control I don’t know, maybe, mate. It’s not a massive concern compared to where we are as a country at the moment. If that was the case, all they would find on my search engine is porn and arguing with oatcake lunatics.🙌 You don't know if ANY Government controlling the internet could be a problem
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 22:05:49 GMT
They are doing both. I don’t know enough about the broadband issue. I suppose it could turn a profit, if implemented well. But that’s a big if, but we are digressing from the original question of what the tories are pledging to improve my beloved home town, compared to labour. Nothing, is my answer. At least with labour there is a promise of real change this time. And last time And the time before And the time before And the time before that Even Blair’s revolution promised real change for stoke on Trent So when is stoke on Trent going to benefit from labours entrenched vote? Maybe when they realise why they lost it Are you suggesting people might have seen through Labour?
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 22:05:58 GMT
They are doing both. I don’t know enough about the broadband issue. I suppose it could turn a profit, if implemented well. But that’s a big if, but we are digressing from the original question of what the tories are pledging to improve my beloved home town, compared to labour. Nothing, is my answer. At least with labour there is a promise of real change this time. And last time And the time before And the time before And the time before that Even Blair’s revolution promised real change for stoke on Trent So when is stoke on Trent going to benefit from labours entrenched vote? Maybe when they realise why they lost it You are right. We have all been let down in the past. For me, Corbyn is the first to make such promises, compared to the others, who have have always played the middle ground, and have never promised such an ambitious manifesto. That’s why the media hate him. I’m voting for change, we ain’t got nothing to lose.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 29, 2019 22:07:01 GMT
Come on mate. You live here , you know it’s not true. Waterworld and Monkey Forest, that’s it. Some have asked what the Conservatives have done for Stoke, I post a link from data supplied by the Sunday Times and you then deny it's true. Unbelievable
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 22:08:49 GMT
And last time And the time before And the time before And the time before that Even Blair’s revolution promised real change for stoke on Trent So when is stoke on Trent going to benefit from labours entrenched vote? Maybe when they realise why they lost it Are you suggesting people might have seen through Labour? I’m suggesting that maybe up north people may start voting against what they traditionally did Many now see labour as a more London centric party
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 22:09:45 GMT
I don’t know, maybe, mate. It’s not a massive concern compared to where we are as a country at the moment. If that was the case, all they would find on my search engine is porn and arguing with oatcake lunatics.🙌 You don't know if ANY Government controlling the internet could be a problem I’m not sure. I think it’s already happened. I was walking back from the Westbrom match the other night, and my mate was talking about the area we were walking through,where a scene was shot in “The Firm”. Guess what, scenes from the film popped up on my social media.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 22:11:13 GMT
Come on mate. You live here , you know it’s not true. Waterworld and Monkey Forest, that’s it. Some have asked what the Conservatives have done for Stoke, I post a link from data supplied by the Sunday Times and you then deny it's true. Unbelievable Ok, then Stoke is a more popular place to visit than Manchester and Leeds? Really?
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 22:11:55 GMT
Are you suggesting people might have seen through Labour? I’m suggesting that maybe up north people may start voting against what they traditionally did Many now see labour as a more London centric party I know they do, mate .
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 29, 2019 22:14:12 GMT
Some have asked what the Conservatives have done for Stoke, I post a link from data supplied by the Sunday Times and you then deny it's true. Unbelievable Ok, then Stoke is a more popular place to visit than Manchester and Leeds? Really? "Earlier this year the latest UK Cities House Price Index revealed that house prices in Stoke-on-Trent were rising by 7.4 per cent year-on-year – making it the sixth highest on increases when compared with 65 other cities. And last year Stoke-on-Trent was named the 11th best cultural place to live in the UK by the Sunday Times, while Money Supermarket ranked the city as the 10th best place to bring up a family. Stoke-on-Trent has also been ranked fourth in the country for employment growth by UK Powerhouse – City Growth Tracker." These Tories, what have they ever done for us?
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 22:19:26 GMT
Ok, then Stoke is a more popular place to visit than Manchester and Leeds? Really? "Earlier this year the latest UK Cities House Price Index revealed that house prices in Stoke-on-Trent were rising by 7.4 per cent year-on-year – making it the sixth highest on increases when compared with 65 other cities. And last year Stoke-on-Trent was named the 11th best cultural place to live in the UK by the Sunday Times, while Money Supermarket ranked the city as the 10th best place to bring up a family. Stoke-on-Trent has also been ranked fourth in the country for employment growth by UK Powerhouse – City Growth Tracker." These Tories, what have they ever done for us? Are you being serious? So you think the Tory government has made Stoke rise through the rankings, how? I’m glad you are happy with how it’s going. Every time I go back, I see people struggling, a dead high street, more homeless on the streets, and closed police stations. That’s why places like Newcastle are about to vote in the Conservatives, because they want change?
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