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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 20:38:46 GMT
I don't make the definitions. Use the standard. There is no response. The NHS has got worse, crime has gone up, and the homeless are know visibility apparent on our streets, all over the country. We can all see the problems, but the great trick the right wing billionaire owned media have portrayed, is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa. Can anybody answer the root question of what the tories will do for the people of Stoke on Trent in their manifesto? Because labour did so much for the area
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 20:40:01 GMT
How are the Conservatives representing the working classes in Stoke better? I think the working class see corbyn and this labour lot as a bit poncy, middle class vegans, champagne socialists and mass immigration advocates, theres also a strain of self hatred within this labour party IE remember Emily Thornberrys snobby white van man tweet ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30139832That’s a shame, because if you look at his manifesto, that view is a load of bollocks.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 20:42:57 GMT
There is no response. The NHS has got worse, crime has gone up, and the homeless are know visibility apparent on our streets, all over the country. We can all see the problems, but the great trick the right wing billionaire owned media have portrayed, is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa. Can anybody answer the root question of what the tories will do for the people of Stoke on Trent in their manifesto? Because labour did so much for the area You have obviously read Corbyn’s manifesto and Johnson’s manifesto. It’s pretty clear in both, what have been pledged to help cities like Stoke?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 20:45:25 GMT
Because labour did so much for the area You have obviously read Corbyn’s manifesto and Johnson’s manifesto. It’s pretty clear in both, what have been pledged to help cities like Stoke? What’s the difference between the beano and a manifesto Absolutely nothing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 20:48:37 GMT
Possibly so, but don't be shocked when someone who says your vote will count this time, honest, gets told to fuck off when asked to vote for them again. Labour and their supporters continually fail to grasp this Evidenced by the momentum guys on here I suppose I’m a “momentum” guy despite having repeatedly saying I’m in the same boat but trying it put it aside and look at the manifestos. Yep Labour have fucked up but what the Tories want to do is just not worth it. What the Conservatives have done over the last 9 years is far worse.For me anyway. Each to their own.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 20:55:24 GMT
The tories can fuck up all they want. Labour have not had many good days since Corbyn took control
If they can’t beat a baffoon like Boris how will they ever beat a competent leader
Until labour find a moderate Centre left decent guy who’s main priority is a working class core vote and the moderate middle classes they won’t get back in
At the moment they prefer to pander to the liberal Islington set. One day they will reAlise that there is not enough votes there
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 20:57:18 GMT
Labourals I shit em
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 20:58:52 GMT
I think the working class see corbyn and this labour lot as a bit poncy, middle class vegans, champagne socialists and mass immigration advocates, theres also a strain of self hatred within this labour party IE remember Emily Thornberrys snobby white van man tweet ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30139832That’s a shame, because if you look at his manifesto, that view is a load of bollocks. come on, Thornberrys tweet in 2014 shows you how they really feel about the working class, when they're not sneering at people who hang the flags from their window during the world cup and drive a white van they're lecturing the working class on what they should eat.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 20:59:33 GMT
Labour and their supporters continually fail to grasp this Evidenced by the momentum guys on here I suppose I’m a “momentum” guy despite having repeatedly saying I’m in the same boat but trying it put it aside and look at the manifestos. Yep Labour have fucked up but what the Tories want to do is just not worth it. What the Conservatives have done over the last 9 years is far worse.For me anyway. Each to their own. Exactly. It's all opinion, and although I disagree (somewhat), I think you are genuine in yours.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 21:00:42 GMT
The tories can fuck up all they want. Labour have not had many good days since Corbyn took control If they can’t beat a baffoon like Boris how will they ever beat a competent leader Until labour find a moderate Centre left decent guy who’s main priority is a working class core vote and the moderate middle classes they won’t get back in At the moment they prefer to pander to the liberal Islington set. One day they will reAlise that there is not enough votes there Exactly. A John Smith would be pissing it now.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:02:43 GMT
You have obviously read Corbyn’s manifesto and Johnson’s manifesto. It’s pretty clear in both, what have been pledged to help cities like Stoke? What’s the difference between the beano and a manifesto Absolutely nothing Then vote for the beano, mate. You have nothing to lose. Or, you could keep voting for no change at all. Vote for Johnson. Austerity, whist tripling the debt, and being continually told that the country can’t afford increased spending on the police, NHS and education. Be told that renationalising water, transport and fuel, can never be profitable, even though foreign investors continue to invest, and think otherwise. Continue to walk past the homeless, go to A&E, and queue in record waiting times for treatment . Blame knife crime on immigration . Shrug your shoulders, and despair that nothing can be done. Or, you could take a chance and vote for the manifesto that promises change...
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:03:37 GMT
The tories can fuck up all they want. Labour have not had many good days since Corbyn took control If they can’t beat a baffoon like Boris how will they ever beat a competent leader Until labour find a moderate Centre left decent guy who’s main priority is a working class core vote and the moderate middle classes they won’t get back in At the moment they prefer to pander to the liberal Islington set. One day they will reAlise that there is not enough votes there Exactly. A John Smith would be pissing it now. Momo and his Ilk will agree with me that Theresa May is the worse prime minister in our life time time Jezbollah couldn’t beat her Let that sink in And now Boris
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:04:27 GMT
Because they used to be the party that represented the working class's in Stoke, Corbyn appears to have changed that. How are the Conservatives representing the working classes in Stoke better? Still no response, mate.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:04:33 GMT
I am a proud servicemen. Jezza has nothing for me
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:05:46 GMT
How are the Conservatives representing the working classes in Stoke better? Still no response, mate. Labour do nothing for stoke Keep on voting for them
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:07:24 GMT
Labour do nothing for stoke Keep on voting for them Their manifesto under a new leader, says otherwise.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:08:55 GMT
Labour do nothing for stoke Keep on voting for them Their manifesto under a new leader, says otherwise.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:09:46 GMT
It’s pretty clear in both, what have been pledged to help cities like Stoke? What’s the difference between the beano and a manifesto Absolutely nothing Then vote for the beano, mate. You have nothing to lose. Or, you could keep voting for no change at all. Vote for Johnson. Austerity, whist tripling the debt, and being continually told that the country can’t afford increased spending on the police, NHS and education. Be told that renationalising water, transport and fuel, can never be profitable, even though foreign investors continue to invest, and think otherwise. Continue to walk past the homeless, go to A&E, and queue in record waiting times for treatment . Blame knife crime on immigration . Shrug your shoulders, and despair that nothing can be done. Or, you could take a chance and vote for the manifesto that promise Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/290239/general-election-thread-the12-december?page=130#ixzz66hf2HrzP
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:12:11 GMT
Their manifesto under a new leader, says otherwise. Emojis aren’t good enough, mate. Only backed, reasoned, argument will suffice at a critical time like this. If you want to counter, I will listen . I’m not entrenched in my thinking, I promise you.
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 21:12:39 GMT
The tories can fuck up all they want. Labour have not had many good days since Corbyn took control If they can’t beat a baffoon like Boris how will they ever beat a competent leader Until labour find a moderate Centre left decent guy who’s main priority is a working class core vote and the moderate middle classes they won’t get back in At the moment they prefer to pander to the liberal Islington set. One day they will reAlise that there is not enough votes there Amongst other things Corbyn has a likability problem, it shouldn't really matter but in this day in age it does and he comes across as dour, miserable, irritable and with low energy, I had to turn the box up to hear him the other night.
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 21:15:13 GMT
I don't make the definitions. Use the standard. There is no response. The NHS has got worse, crime has gone up, and the homeless are now visibility apparent on our streets, all over the country. We can all see the problems, but the great trick the right wing billionaire owned media have portrayed, is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa. Can anybody answer the root question of what the tories will do for the people of Stoke on Trent, in their manifesto? You have answered your own question mate. "is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa" He doesn't need any biased media to show this! Laying flowers, Iranian TV interviews, The manifesto, a 70 year old man who is clearly an anti semitic. He doesn't really need any help from the media does he. I have no issue with the Labour party just the current lot who have hijacked it!
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:18:24 GMT
There is no response. The NHS has got worse, crime has gone up, and the homeless are now visibility apparent on our streets, all over the country. We can all see the problems, but the great trick the right wing billionaire owned media have portrayed, is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa. Can anybody answer the root question of what the tories will do for the people of Stoke on Trent, in their manifesto? You have answered your own question mate. "is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa" He doesn't need any biased media to show this! Laying flowers, Iranian TV interviews, The manifesto, a 70 year old man who is clearly an anti semitic. He doesn't really need any help from the media does he. I have no issue with the Labour party just the current lot who have hijacked it! He’s anti Zionist, mate. There isn’t a racist bone is his body. Do some digging, he has been on the right side of history, every time . Have a look a little closer . Then have a look at the original question.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:20:51 GMT
Emojis aren’t good enough, mate. Only backed, reasoned, argument will suffice at a critical time like this. If you want to counter, I will listen . I’m not entrenched in my thinking, I promise you. We are all entrenched. I am a working class soldier, I work hard pay my bills and am trying to look after my family There is nothing in his manifesto that is for me
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 21:22:01 GMT
There is no response. The NHS has got worse, crime has gone up, and the homeless are now visibility apparent on our streets, all over the country. We can all see the problems, but the great trick the right wing billionaire owned media have portrayed, is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa. Can anybody answer the root question of what the tories will do for the people of Stoke on Trent, in their manifesto? You have answered your own question mate. "is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa" He doesn't need any biased media to show this! Laying flowers, Iranian TV interviews, The manifesto, a 70 year old man who is clearly an anti semitic. He doesn't really need any help from the media does he. I have no issue with the Labour party just the current lot who have hijacked it! Same here. Liked John Smith, Tony Benn, Barbara Castle and Denis Healey. Some of this lot are political pygmies in comparison.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:22:29 GMT
The tories can fuck up all they want. Labour have not had many good days since Corbyn took control If they can’t beat a baffoon like Boris how will they ever beat a competent leader Until labour find a moderate Centre left decent guy who’s main priority is a working class core vote and the moderate middle classes they won’t get back in At the moment they prefer to pander to the liberal Islington set. One day they will reAlise that there is not enough votes there Amongst other things Corbyn has a likability problem, it shouldn't really matter but in this day in age it does and he comes across as dour, miserable, irritable and with low energy, I had to turn the box up to hear him the other night. You are right, it’s personality politics. People are more interested in the “likeability factor”, rather than the content. Plus, when you have a billionaire owned, right wing media, against you... He never had a chance.
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 21:26:24 GMT
You have answered your own question mate. "is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa" He doesn't need any biased media to show this! Laying flowers, Iranian TV interviews, The manifesto, a 70 year old man who is clearly an anti semitic. He doesn't really need any help from the media does he. I have no issue with the Labour party just the current lot who have hijacked it! Same here. Liked John Smith, Tony Benn, Barbara Castle and Denis Healey. Some of this lot are political pygmies in comparison. Kate Hoey would have made a good labour leader, instead she's been outcast because of brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 21:26:33 GMT
There is no response. The NHS has got worse, crime has gone up, and the homeless are now visibility apparent on our streets, all over the country. We can all see the problems, but the great trick the right wing billionaire owned media have portrayed, is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa. Can anybody answer the root question of what the tories will do for the people of Stoke on Trent, in their manifesto? You have answered your own question mate. "is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa" He doesn't need any biased media to show this! Laying flowers, Iranian TV interviews, The manifesto, a 70 year old man who is clearly an anti semitic. He doesn't really need any help from the media does he. I have no issue with the Labour party just the current lot who have hijacked it! For crying out loud he’s not anti Semitic. You don’t understand the difference between being anti Israel’s aggressive foreign policy and being racist and all Jews. He’s voted for peace instead of wars all his life. Been given awards from the Ghandi institute. It’s a pathetic slur. There are issues within all parties but you focus on Labour. The Conservatives continue to sell arms to Saudi Arabia who are known to fund ISIS and who’ve literally been waging war on Yemen where millions have died but I bet you could give a shit. And the what exactly in the manifesto is communist? Yeah making sure teachers and doctors and the health service works are properly paid is a fucking communist now? At least some people make valid points and raise valid concerns about the Conservatives and their issues you with Labour - you just continue to spout complete and utter shite.
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:28:46 GMT
Emojis aren’t good enough, mate. Only backed, reasoned, argument will suffice at a critical time like this. If you want to counter, I will listen . I’m not entrenched in my thinking, I promise you. We are all entrenched. I am a working class soldier, I work hard pay my bills and am trying to look after my family There is nothing in his manifesto that is for me Apart from his bullshit in promising to put more money in the NHS, I agree. I’m fine. I’m on a good wedge, a house that continues to go up in value, and I’m paying less tax since the tories got in. What’s not to like? However, I only have to walk a few hundred metres to see how the system is failing more and more people.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 21:32:14 GMT
We are all entrenched. I am a working class soldier, I work hard pay my bills and am trying to look after my family There is nothing in his manifesto that is for me Apart from his bullshit in promising to put more money in the NHS, I agree. I’m fine. I’m on a good wedge, a house that continues to go up in value, and I’m paying less tax since the tories got in. What’s not to like? However, I only have to walk a few hundred metres to see how the system is failing more and more people. Which is more important than free broadband And there you have it
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 21:39:58 GMT
Apart from his bullshit in promising to put more money in the NHS, I agree. I’m fine. I’m on a good wedge, a house that continues to go up in value, and I’m paying less tax since the tories got in. What’s not to like? However, I only have to walk a few hundred metres to see how the system is failing more and more people. Which is more important than free broadband And there you have it Free broadband? That’s all you have taken from the manifesto? Come on, dig deeper, rather than the Daily Mail/Sun headlines . What do you think about the increased spending on the NHS, police, and getting rid of tax evasion for the rich,which would bring in an extra £673 million a week,if we closed those loop holes?
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