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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2019 18:06:26 GMT
If Corbyn gets in there will be a second referendum where the options are Brino and Remain. In that situation, I suspect many Brexiteers will either not vote or spoil their ballot papers in protest. Remain will win. And it will be a very, very long time (if ever) before another referendum is offered. That is what Brexit voters need to consider. In the words of the old song... It’s now or never. Possible....but it may be that Labour's attempt at government fails so abysmally as could his attempt to organise and see through a referendum that we don't get that far.......a further election could easily transpire I think his partners will prop him up long enough to see the referendum done and block his wilder efforts at governing to ensure the country doesn’t collapse. As soon as the referendum is done, they’ll drop him like a hot potato. Apart from the SNP who’ll keep supporting and shafting him to get their Indy ref2. Not a pretty prospect!
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 18:26:35 GMT
Really hope historical Labour voters have a change of heart in the voting booth in Stoke constituencies. One of the main things that makes me proud to come from Stoke is its honest, working class roots - and now they're on the verge of electing a Tory MP. Why cant someone with a different political point of view from you also be honest, working class and proud to come from Stoke?
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 18:28:35 GMT
Really hope historical Labour voters have a change of heart in the voting booth in Stoke constituencies. One of the main things that makes me proud to come from Stoke is its honest, working class roots - and now they're on the verge of electing a Tory MP. They wouldn't have been if Labour had genuinely respected the referendum result. Labour would absolutely walk it it in Stoke if they had. So people are cutting off their noses to spite their face.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2019 18:30:17 GMT
Really hope historical Labour voters have a change of heart in the voting booth in Stoke constituencies. One of the main things that makes me proud to come from Stoke is its honest, working class roots - and now they're on the verge of electing a Tory MP. Why cant someone with a different political point of view from you also be honest, working class and proud to come from Stoke? They can, but tory mentality and history towards cities like Stoke points towards them not giving a toss.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 29, 2019 18:30:52 GMT
Really hope historical Labour voters have a change of heart in the voting booth in Stoke constituencies. One of the main things that makes me proud to come from Stoke is its honest, working class roots - and now they're on the verge of electing a Tory MP. Why cant someone with a different political point of view from you also be honest, working class and proud to come from Stoke? Because he holds the typical socialist veiw point the divine right to rule
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 18:45:14 GMT
They wouldn't have been if Labour had genuinely respected the referendum result. Labour would absolutely walk it it in Stoke if they had. So people are cutting off their noses to spite their face. The people of Stoke overwhelmingly voted to leave the EU, during the last election Labour promised to respect and carry out that vote, labour MP's in Stoke were duly returned to parliament by the people of Stoke. Labour then changed their minds and decided that they couldn't give a toss about Stokes support and would hold a referendum within which their cabinet ministers would strongly campaign for remain. Forgive those who feel betrayed, you just keep on pointing your finger at them and accusing them of not giving a toss!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 18:46:31 GMT
They wouldn't have been if Labour had genuinely respected the referendum result. Labour would absolutely walk it it in Stoke if they had. So people are cutting off their noses to spite their face. Possibly so, but don't be shocked when someone who says your vote will count this time, honest, gets told to fuck off when asked to vote for them again.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 29, 2019 18:51:26 GMT
Possible....but it may be that Labour's attempt at government fails so abysmally as could his attempt to organise and see through a referendum that we don't get that far.......a further election could easily transpire I think his partners will prop him up long enough to see the referendum done and block his wilder efforts at governing to ensure the country doesn’t collapse. As soon as the referendum is done, they’ll drop him like a hot potato. Apart from the SNP who’ll keep supporting and shafting him to get their Indy ref2. Not a pretty prospect! To be honest I don't think that there is a chance of Corbyn being PM but I think that we have issues almost as big as Brexit ( in my opinion) to do with the two party system and democracy.....I'M just speculating that a Corbyn government with the calibre of his front bench might just finish the current system off....hence when I said things might even have to get worse for them to get better. ( not exact analogies by any means but the disaster of the second world war paved the way for the NHS when we considered what type of Britain we wanted and ( whether people support it or not) i the holocaust was the catalyst for the formation of Israel. I'm fairly relaxed about the outcome of the election as I think that the nature of the EU and our relationship with it has been exposed.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2019 19:15:23 GMT
Really hope historical Labour voters have a change of heart in the voting booth in Stoke constituencies. One of the main things that makes me proud to come from Stoke is its honest, working class roots - and now they're on the verge of electing a Tory MP. Maybe historical Labour voters don't believe Corbyn and his Marxist puppeteer represent honest working class people !
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 19:15:24 GMT
Long-bailey looks pretty tidy tonight.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 29, 2019 19:17:11 GMT
Why cant someone with a different political point of view from you also be honest, working class and proud to come from Stoke? Because he holds the typical socialist veiw point the divine right to rule Didn't Thatcher close down the mines in the 80s leading to thousands of job losses? I don't actually know as it was before my time, just trying to understand why the Tories haven't been elected in Stoke before?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 29, 2019 19:20:18 GMT
Really hope historical Labour voters have a change of heart in the voting booth in Stoke constituencies. One of the main things that makes me proud to come from Stoke is its honest, working class roots - and now they're on the verge of electing a Tory MP. Maybe historical Labour voters don't believe Corbyn and his Marxist puppeteer represent honest working class people ! Fair enough, I don't know who the Conservative candidate for Stoke-on-Trent North is to be honest, are they more in touch with the area and the working classes? I don't live in Stoke anymore, I was able to find a job in London and since moved to Manchester a couple of years ago, just a little shocked to see the poll data predicting a Conservative win.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2019 19:21:47 GMT
Because he holds the typical socialist veiw point the divine right to rule Didn't Thatcher close down the mines in the 80s leading to thousands of job losses? I don't actually know as it was before my time, just trying to understand why the Tories haven't been elected in Stoke before? Because they used to be the party that represented the working class's in Stoke, Corbyn appears to have changed that.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 29, 2019 19:24:04 GMT
Didn't Thatcher close down the mines in the 80s leading to thousands of job losses? I don't actually know as it was before my time, just trying to understand why the Tories haven't been elected in Stoke before? Because they used to be the party that represented the working class's in Stoke, Corbyn appears to have changed that. How are the Conservatives representing the working classes in Stoke better?
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 29, 2019 19:28:36 GMT
Didn't Thatcher close down the mines in the 80s leading to thousands of job losses? I don't actually know as it was before my time, just trying to understand why the Tories haven't been elected in Stoke before? Because they used to be the party that represented the working class's in Stoke, Corbyn appears to have changed that. It doesn’t matter which channel I turn to, there’s always this $#!t on it...
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 19:45:21 GMT
big Ticey rippin it up on the bbc.
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 19:51:06 GMT
Because he holds the typical socialist veiw point the divine right to rule Didn't Thatcher close down the mines in the 80s leading to thousands of job losses? I don't actually know as it was before my time, just trying to understand why the Tories haven't been elected in Stoke before? 100 people could write an essay in response to your question and each one would be different. But in your time in London and Manchester how many people have you met with a coal fire? Home Gas fires and Gas power stations came on line, Eastern European coal was cheap, British mining was often (cough) disrupted in supply and the coal industry was going into terminal decline regardless of the government in power. Times change and not everyone will accept that you have to vote for the party that your grandfather and father voted for. At this point a lot of Labour voters feel betrayed by Labour on Brexit and that will likely have a one off change in voting intentions. Like I say you will get 100 different answers and this is just my opinion.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2019 19:53:46 GMT
Because they used to be the party that represented the working class's in Stoke, Corbyn appears to have changed that. It doesn’t matter which channel I turn to, there’s always this $#!t on it... Try Netflix. There’s at least one good new film worth watching.
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Post by algor on Nov 29, 2019 19:55:46 GMT
It doesn’t matter which channel I turn to, there’s always this $#!t on it... Try Netflix. There’s at least one good new film worth watching.[/quote The Irishman? Is it any good?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 19:57:30 GMT
It doesn’t matter which channel I turn to, there’s always this $#!t on it... Try Netflix. There’s at least one good new film worth watching. I particularly liked The Irishman. Not in a gay way, like.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 19:59:36 GMT
Try Netflix. There’s at least one good new film worth watching.[/quote The Irishman? Is it any good? Ha ha, just as I posted! Really enjoyed it, despite the cast being geriatrics. Very stylish, good acting. Chilling, at times.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 29, 2019 20:01:48 GMT
Try Netflix. There’s at least one good new film worth watching.[/quote The Irishman? Is it any good? Watched it lastnight. Lots of overacting. Lots of underacting. Not worth 3&1/2 hrs. Rubbish soundtrack.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 29, 2019 20:01:57 GMT
Taking Brexit out of the equation.... what benefit does voting Tory bring to the working class? I mean, there is literally nothing in common between the Tories and normal working class people. I find it staggering to think there are working class people who see the likes of Boris, JRM, Gove on tv and then think, 'yeah, those guys are just like me and are doing their best to give me a better future'. It's laughable that people believe/ignore/deflect any shit that comes out of that party. Define working class? Earnings? Skills? School tie?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 29, 2019 20:07:40 GMT
That's basically a summary of the LBC interview he's just bothered to turn up to with Ferrari! Car crash from start to finish, full of lies and holes and bluster. Rounds off with a giggle, and 'get Brexit done' and off he trots, the frigging tosspot. Don't fret Chairman Mo, Jezza will romp home and I will have my swimming pool paid for by the wife's Waspi pay out Jezza. Chairman Mo very good
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 20:15:00 GMT
Because they used to be the party that represented the working class's in Stoke, Corbyn appears to have changed that. How are the Conservatives representing the working classes in Stoke better? Great question! Doubt you will get an intelligent response. Let’s see...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 29, 2019 20:16:15 GMT
Don't fret Chairman Mo, Jezza will romp home and I will have my swimming pool paid for by the wife's Waspi pay out Jezza. Chairman Mo very good He does more good than harm! 😁
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Post by foster on Nov 29, 2019 20:17:13 GMT
Taking Brexit out of the equation.... what benefit does voting Tory bring to the working class? I mean, there is literally nothing in common between the Tories and normal working class people. I find it staggering to think there are working class people who see the likes of Boris, JRM, Gove on tv and then think, 'yeah, those guys are just like me and are doing their best to give me a better future'. It's laughable that people believe/ignore/deflect any shit that comes out of that party. Define working class? Earnings? Skills? School tie? I don't make the definitions. Use the standard.
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 20:36:32 GMT
Because they used to be the party that represented the working class's in Stoke, Corbyn appears to have changed that. How are the Conservatives representing the working classes in Stoke better? I think the working class see corbyn and this labour lot as a bit poncy, middle class vegans, champagne socialists and mass immigration advocates, theres also a strain of self hatred within this labour party IE remember Emily Thornberrys snobby white van man tweet ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30139832
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Post by prettything on Nov 29, 2019 20:37:47 GMT
Define working class? Earnings? Skills? School tie? I don't make the definitions. Use the standard. There is no response. The NHS has got worse, crime has gone up, and the homeless are now visibility apparent on our streets, all over the country. We can all see the problems, but the great trick the right wing billionaire owned media have portrayed, is that Corbyn is a terrorist, commie, racist grandpa. Can anybody answer the root question of what the tories will do for the people of Stoke on Trent, in their manifesto?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 20:37:48 GMT
So people are cutting off their noses to spite their face. Possibly so, but don't be shocked when someone who says your vote will count this time, honest, gets told to fuck off when asked to vote for them again. Labour and their supporters continually fail to grasp this Evidenced by the momentum guys on here
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