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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 29, 2019 10:29:37 GMT
That's basically a summary of the LBC interview he's just bothered to turn up to with Ferrari! Car crash from start to finish, full of lies and holes and bluster. Rounds off with a giggle, and 'get Brexit done' and off he trots, the frigging tosspot. Don't fret Chairman Mo, Jezza will romp home and I will have my swimming pool paid for by the wife's Waspi pay out Jezza. How odd that you approve of the state thieving off your wife. What a team player you must be!
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 29, 2019 10:33:08 GMT
Come on folks...its Friday, relax a little. I'm worried a few heads might actually explode.😂😂😂
Check out the Friday joke thread...that will get you in the mood for the weekend and hopefully three points for the Potters...after all, that's why we are all here isn't it with at least one aim in common.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2019 10:33:16 GMT
Don't fret Chairman Mo, Jezza will romp home and I will have my swimming pool paid for by the wife's Waspi pay out Jezza. How odd that you approve of the state thieving off your wife. What a team player you must be! But when Jezza is PM she will get it all back £39,600 nice little nest egg, unless of course you don't believe him
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 29, 2019 10:36:31 GMT
Sure now Jeremy do you think Israel has a right to exist if so what is biased about the bbc stating this ? He’s saying there is pressure on the BBC to be supportive of Israel in many respects not just its right to exist. Everyone knows he’s never been particularly supportive of Israel. Do you not agree you can be critical of Israel but not hate Jews? "Pressure" sounds awfully like the start of a conspiracy theory just who are these mysterious people "pressurising" the BBC it clearly states the bbc shows bias by stating israel has a right to exist which indicates he believes there is another view that they dont have a right to exist. Its entirely possible to criticise israel and not hate jews just as its entirely possible to support irish independence and not the IRA but we know which way he went there dont we.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2019 10:36:43 GMT
I thought it didn't bother you as you live in Belgium , you have an awful lot to waffle on about for someone who doesn't care Those Belgium comments got old 5 posts ago mate But anyway, nice deflection from the criticism of Boris ... Deflect deflect deflect via Imgflip Meme GeneratorBoris is a lying buffoon why would I deflect from that, I don't understand why someone who has stated he isn't bothered about politics in the UK who doesn't live here would be so vocal about politics in the UK
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 10:43:31 GMT
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Post by foster on Nov 29, 2019 10:44:37 GMT
Those Belgium comments got old 5 posts ago mate But anyway, nice deflection from the criticism of Boris ... Deflect deflect deflect via Imgflip Meme GeneratorBoris is a lying buffoon why would I deflect from that, I don't understand why someone who has stated he isn't bothered about politics in the UK who doesn't live here would be so vocal about politics in the UK I'll give you some very simple reasons, just to make it as easy as possible for you to understand mate. 1) I'm British 2) I won't always be in Belgium 3) I have relatives in the UK 4) Not being impacted by Brexit and not being bothered about it aren't the same thing
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 10:48:24 GMT
Taking Brexit out of the equation.... what benefit does voting Tory bring to the working class? I mean, there is literally nothing in common between the Tories and normal working class people. I find it staggering to think there are working class people who see the likes of Boris, JRM, Gove on tv and then think, 'yeah, those guys are just like me and are doing their best to give me a better future'. It's laughable that people believe/ignore/deflect any shit that comes out of that party. I think the fact the working class are looking to the tories is more a testament to how shockingly out of touch labour is with them than anything else, many working class people see this labour party as anti western, pro mass immigration and things like tackling climate change don't really resonate with them, corbyn is from an upper middle class background, he's a vegetarian champagne socialist, there not much for the working class to relate to with him either.
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 10:51:03 GMT
This is why johnson is avoiding the neil interview, if you're going to make a claim you should at least have the foresight to expect a follow up question and do some homework.
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Post by foster on Nov 29, 2019 10:53:00 GMT
Taking Brexit out of the equation.... what benefit does voting Tory bring to the working class? I mean, there is literally nothing in common between the Tories and normal working class people. I find it staggering to think there are working class people who see the likes of Boris, JRM, Gove on tv and then think, 'yeah, those guys are just like me and are doing their best to give me a better future'. It's laughable that people believe/ignore/deflect any shit that comes out of that party. I think the fact the working class are looking to the tories is more a testament to how shockingly out of touch labour is with them than anything else, many working class people see this labour party as anti western, pro mass immigration and things like tackling climate change don't really resonate with them, corbyn is from an upper middle class background, he's a vegetarian champagne socialist, there not much for the working class to relate to with him either. I agree mate. I just don't get how easily people can criticise one, but not the other. If i wasn't going to vote for Corbyn, then I'd also not vote for Boris.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 10:57:45 GMT
Taking Brexit out of the equation.... what benefit does voting Tory bring to the working class? I mean, there is literally nothing in common between the Tories and normal working class people. I find it staggering to think there are working class people who see the likes of Boris, JRM, Gove on tv and then think, 'yeah, those guys are just like me and are doing their best to give me a better future'. It's laughable that people believe/ignore/deflect any shit that comes out of that party. I think the fact the working class are looking to the tories is more a testament to how shockingly out of touch labour is with them than anything else, many working class people see this labour party as anti western, pro mass immigration and things like tackling climate change don't really resonate with them, corbyn is from an upper middle class background, he's a vegetarian champagne socialist, there not much for the working class to relate to with him either. But how does that sit with zero hours contracts, increasing privatisation (which this Labour government is against as opposed to “New Labour” ), greater taxes for the wealthy? Boris doesn’t want a working class Brexit. It’s a way to deregulate, support big business and give tax cuts to the rich. He’s refused Labour request to include protection of existing working rights in any deal whilst saying they aren’t planning to change to change them. Why on earth would he not agree to just include if it’s not the plan - it’s something which would have got some Labour MPs on his side.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 10:59:46 GMT
This is why johnson is avoiding the neil interview, if you're going to make a claim you should at least have the foresight to expect a follow up question and do some homework. Man of the people doesn’t even know how much a Greggs sausage roll is 🤣
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 11:05:48 GMT
This is why johnson is avoiding the neil interview, if you're going to make a claim you should at least have the foresight to expect a follow up question and do some homework. Man of the people doesn’t even know how much a Greggs sausage roll is 🤣 He's terrible at thinking on his feet, all he had to say was "well, we all chip in some money and someone at the office goes out and picks them up" or something like that.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 29, 2019 11:11:31 GMT
He was 2 years the DEFRA Minister and will be responsible for the Climate Change conference in Scotland next year. When has Corbyn, Swinson or Sturgeon ever held positions like that?? Has anyone got a dictionary definition of 'Leader' for Roger? Of course John has summed up what's happening with the bigger issue of the Neil interview. Typical Bullingdon privilege and still the clapping seals refuse to see it. McDonnell said he was “so annoyed” about Boris Johnson not appearing on the BBC to be grilled by Andrew Neil, and that the BBC should be annoyed, too. “All political parties understood that there would be sequence of interviews with each leader,” McDonnell told the Today show. “I think this is a matter of honour.” The PM was “playing the BBC”, pushing an appearance until the deadline for postal votes had passed, thinking “his Bullingdon Club friends” were above public scrutiny, and was running scared of interviewer Neil, who would “take him apart”, McDonnell said. Has anyone got a dictionary definition of ‘leader’ for Momo (and Jezza)? I suspect the words “remain neutral”, “sit on the fence”, “project indecisiveness” and “follow” would not be contained within, unless preceded by the words “a leader is one who will not….”. The only place Jezza would lead this country to is the bankruptcy courts. This country is crying out for a reshaping of the political map and agenda. Everybody knows that, but not a lurch so far to the left that it damages the very economic fabric of the entire country. Labour’s only hope can be that the SNP doesn’t make such a strong showing that ‘Indy Ref 2’ and a subsequent break away become virtually inevitable. If those things happen, then there will never be another Labour government in this land and that is something we should all fear. As it happens, I think the result of the election is going to be so bad for Labour that Corbyn will resign within days (or be pushed out) and someone much more centre-left will come to the fore. I don’t know who, but I hope with all my being that they have greater leadership and inspirational qualities than any ever shown by Corbyn & McDonut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 11:11:47 GMT
Man of the people doesn’t even know how much a Greggs sausage roll is 🤣 He's terrible at thinking on his feet, all he had to say was "well, we all chip in some money and someone at the office goes out and picks them up" or something like that. It’s hard when you’re questioned on a lie. As you say no wonder he’s avoiding as many interviews as he can. Obviously thought this chap was a bit of an idiot when he’s not. Better to get found out on a lie about Greggs than your Brexit plans and the NHS I suppose....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 11:13:54 GMT
Has anyone got a dictionary definition of 'Leader' for Roger? Of course John has summed up what's happening with the bigger issue of the Neil interview. Typical Bullingdon privilege and still the clapping seals refuse to see it. McDonnell said he was “so annoyed” about Boris Johnson not appearing on the BBC to be grilled by Andrew Neil, and that the BBC should be annoyed, too. “All political parties understood that there would be sequence of interviews with each leader,” McDonnell told the Today show. “I think this is a matter of honour.” The PM was “playing the BBC”, pushing an appearance until the deadline for postal votes had passed, thinking “his Bullingdon Club friends” were above public scrutiny, and was running scared of interviewer Neil, who would “take him apart”, McDonnell said. Has anyone got a dictionary definition of ‘leader’ for Momo (and Jezza)? I suspect the words “remain neutral”, “sit on the fence”, “project indecisiveness” and “follow” would not be contained within, unless preceded by the words “a leader is one who will not….”. The only place Jezza would lead this country to is the bankruptcy courts. This country is crying out for a reshaping of the political map and agenda. Everybody knows that, but not a lurch so far to the left that it damages the very economic fabric of the entire country. Labour’s only hope can be that the SNP doesn’t make such a strong showing that ‘Indy Ref 2’ and a subsequent break away become virtually inevitable. If those things happen, then there will never be another Labour government in this land and that is something we should all fear. As it happens, I think the result of the election is going to be so bad for Labour that Corbyn will resign within days (or be pushed out) and someone much more centre-left will come to the fore. I don’t know who, but I hope with all my being that they have greater leadership and inspirational qualities than any ever shown by Corbyn & McDonut. You dispute the 160 economists and academics that have backed Labours plans as better for the economy?
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Post by yeokel on Nov 29, 2019 11:21:24 GMT
Labour should stick to promoting its own policies rather than promoting this kind of bollocks. If they could come up with a set of coherent policies that a majority in this country could believe in, it wouldn’t matter one jot what Boris and the rest of the Tories believed in. They need to grasp the moment and grasp the opportunity to shift the agenda onto much safer ground, but they (the current “leadership”) is wholly incapable of doing so.
FFS, give people something to vote FOR, not look for things for them to vote against.
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Post by serpico on Nov 29, 2019 11:22:46 GMT
I think the fact the working class are looking to the tories is more a testament to how shockingly out of touch labour is with them than anything else, many working class people see this labour party as anti western, pro mass immigration and things like tackling climate change don't really resonate with them, corbyn is from an upper middle class background, he's a vegetarian champagne socialist, there not much for the working class to relate to with him either. But how does that sit with zero hours contracts, increasing privatisation (which this Labour government is against as opposed to “New Labour” ), greater taxes for the wealthy? Boris doesn’t want a working class Brexit. It’s a way to deregulate, support big business and give tax cuts to the rich. He’s refused Labour request to include protection of existing working rights in any deal whilst saying they aren’t planning to change to change them. Why on earth would he not agree to just include if it’s not the plan - it’s something which would have got some Labour MPs on his side. some of those things can be good for the working class if it translates into more jobs, more investment, lower prices etc many of labours policies have a paradoxical effect, they hurt the people they're supposed to help in the long run, how well will the working class do when the nation goes bankrupt through reckless spending ? maybe the working class are more savvy than you think they are and they don't just want government hand outs and dependency, also this tory government aren't exactly fiscally conservative, their spending plans are pretty big as well, they only look conservative when compared to labours.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 11:26:50 GMT
I think the fact the working class are looking to the tories is more a testament to how shockingly out of touch labour is with them than anything else, many working class people see this labour party as anti western, pro mass immigration and things like tackling climate change don't really resonate with them, corbyn is from an upper middle class background, he's a vegetarian champagne socialist, there not much for the working class to relate to with him either. I agree mate. I just don't get how easily people can criticise one, but not the other. If i wasn't going to vote for Corbyn, then I'd also not vote for Boris. That’s a fair point but we basically live in a two party government. The alternative especially in England is that there are no alternatives
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Post by salopstick on Nov 29, 2019 11:29:20 GMT
Has anyone got a dictionary definition of 'Leader' for Roger? Of course John has summed up what's happening with the bigger issue of the Neil interview. Typical Bullingdon privilege and still the clapping seals refuse to see it. McDonnell said he was “so annoyed” about Boris Johnson not appearing on the BBC to be grilled by Andrew Neil, and that the BBC should be annoyed, too. “All political parties understood that there would be sequence of interviews with each leader,” McDonnell told the Today show. “I think this is a matter of honour.” The PM was “playing the BBC”, pushing an appearance until the deadline for postal votes had passed, thinking “his Bullingdon Club friends” were above public scrutiny, and was running scared of interviewer Neil, who would “take him apart”, McDonnell said. Has anyone got a dictionary definition of ‘leader’ for Momo (and Jezza)? I suspect the words “remain neutral”, “sit on the fence”, “project indecisiveness” and “follow” would not be contained within, unless preceded by the words “a leader is one who will not….”. The only place Jezza would lead this country to is the bankruptcy courts. This country is crying out for a reshaping of the political map and agenda. Everybody knows that, but not a lurch so far to the left that it damages the very economic fabric of the entire country. Labour’s only hope can be that the SNP doesn’t make such a strong showing that ‘Indy Ref 2’ and a subsequent break away become virtually inevitable. If those things happen, then there will never be another Labour government in this land and that is something we should all fear. As it happens, I think the result of the election is going to be so bad for Labour that Corbyn will resign within days (or be pushed out) and someone much more centre-left will come to the fore. I don’t know who, but I hope with all my being that they have greater leadership and inspirational qualities than any ever shown by Corbyn & McDonut. The choices seem to be starmer and Thornberry. I don’t know what is worse
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Post by yeokel on Nov 29, 2019 11:35:07 GMT
Has anyone got a dictionary definition of ‘leader’ for Momo (and Jezza)? I suspect the words “remain neutral”, “sit on the fence”, “project indecisiveness” and “follow” would not be contained within, unless preceded by the words “a leader is one who will not….”. The only place Jezza would lead this country to is the bankruptcy courts. This country is crying out for a reshaping of the political map and agenda. Everybody knows that, but not a lurch so far to the left that it damages the very economic fabric of the entire country. Labour’s only hope can be that the SNP doesn’t make such a strong showing that ‘Indy Ref 2’ and a subsequent break away become virtually inevitable. If those things happen, then there will never be another Labour government in this land and that is something we should all fear. As it happens, I think the result of the election is going to be so bad for Labour that Corbyn will resign within days (or be pushed out) and someone much more centre-left will come to the fore. I don’t know who, but I hope with all my being that they have greater leadership and inspirational qualities than any ever shown by Corbyn & McDonut. You dispute the 160 economists and academics that have backed Labours plans as better for the economy? Better than what?
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 29, 2019 11:37:48 GMT
Has anyone got a dictionary definition of ‘leader’ for Momo (and Jezza)? I suspect the words “remain neutral”, “sit on the fence”, “project indecisiveness” and “follow” would not be contained within, unless preceded by the words “a leader is one who will not….”. The only place Jezza would lead this country to is the bankruptcy courts. This country is crying out for a reshaping of the political map and agenda. Everybody knows that, but not a lurch so far to the left that it damages the very economic fabric of the entire country. Labour’s only hope can be that the SNP doesn’t make such a strong showing that ‘Indy Ref 2’ and a subsequent break away become virtually inevitable. If those things happen, then there will never be another Labour government in this land and that is something we should all fear. As it happens, I think the result of the election is going to be so bad for Labour that Corbyn will resign within days (or be pushed out) and someone much more centre-left will come to the fore. I don’t know who, but I hope with all my being that they have greater leadership and inspirational qualities than any ever shown by Corbyn & McDonut. The choices seem to be starmer and Thornberry. I don’t know what is worse The problem for labours future is with the national executive,etc the people like Milne and formby who dictate the character of the leadership . You will still have momentum operating in the shadows . There will never be any meaningful change in the culture just a more user friendly leader with less baggage
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 11:40:59 GMT
But how does that sit with zero hours contracts, increasing privatisation (which this Labour government is against as opposed to “New Labour” ), greater taxes for the wealthy? Boris doesn’t want a working class Brexit. It’s a way to deregulate, support big business and give tax cuts to the rich. He’s refused Labour request to include protection of existing working rights in any deal whilst saying they aren’t planning to change to change them. Why on earth would he not agree to just include if it’s not the plan - it’s something which would have got some Labour MPs on his side. some of those things can be good for the working class if it translates into more jobs, more investment, lower prices etc many of labours policies have a paradoxical effect, they hurt the people they're supposed to help in the long run, how well will the working class do when the nation goes bankrupt through reckless spending ? maybe the working class are more savvy than you think they are and they don't just want government hand outs and dependency, also this tory government aren't exactly fiscally conservative, their spending plans are pretty big as well, they only look conservative when compared to labours. Lower paid jobs, higher costs, more money for the rich. I don’t believe anyone wants handouts. The reason there’s so many economists backing Labour’s plan is that is could be better for the economy. Phillip Hammond admitted austerity had actually been worse for the economy and the best way to reduce the deficit is to boost the economy and austerity prevented that: neweconomics.org/2019/02/austerity-is-subduing-uk-economy-by-more-than-3-600-per-household-this-yearwww.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/27/austerity-policies-do-more-harm-than-good-imf-study-concludeswww.tuc.org.uk/blogs/chancellor-finally-admits-austerity-was-political-choicewww.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/d29b4cbe-0fa4-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeaeIt’s not hard if you think about it - the Tories give tax cuts to the rich they don’t spend that money down across of a number of shops they send it to tax havens or buy a yacht it’s not being spread out across many people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 11:42:18 GMT
You dispute the 160 economists and academics that have backed Labours plans as better for the economy? Better than what? The Tories. I’ve just posted a number of links above which have the information as to how the Tories have been worse for the economy. I don’t expect to change your mind but it’s worth reading them.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 29, 2019 12:02:05 GMT
Labour should stick to promoting its own policies rather than promoting this kind of bollocks. If they could come up with a set of coherent policies that a majority in this country could believe in, it wouldn’t matter one jot what Boris and the rest of the Tories believed in. They need to grasp the moment and grasp the opportunity to shift the agenda onto much safer ground, but they (the current “leadership”) is wholly incapable of doing so. FFS, give people something to vote FOR, not look for things for them to vote against. No offence fella but that is the biggest load of bollocks posted on this thread so far. You may hate their policies and that’s fair enough but Labour has been setting the agenda every day, talking about their own policies. It’s the Tories who hide and snipe from the sidelines. The appalling Javid did a whole event the other day without mentioning a Tory policy once. The whole Johnson and Conservative strategy is to say as little about their own policies (they haven’t actually got many they want publicising) and just attack personalities and instil fear in the electorate. Their own manifesto could be written on the back of a postage stamp. If they were so proud of their own achievements and confident in their own vision, they’d be out there selling it not ducking debate after debate and interview after interview.
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2019 12:05:42 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 29, 2019 12:08:46 GMT
Boris Johnson confronted by single mother on live radio show after saying their children are 'ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate' link
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Post by yeokel on Nov 29, 2019 12:11:30 GMT
Labour should stick to promoting its own policies rather than promoting this kind of bollocks. If they could come up with a set of coherent policies that a majority in this country could believe in, it wouldn’t matter one jot what Boris and the rest of the Tories believed in. They need to grasp the moment and grasp the opportunity to shift the agenda onto much safer ground, but they (the current “leadership”) is wholly incapable of doing so. FFS, give people something to vote FOR, not look for things for them to vote against. No offence fella but that is the biggest load of bollocks posted on this thread so far. You may hate their policies and that’s fair enough but Labour has been setting the agenda every day, talking about their own policies. It’s the Tories who hide and snipe from the sidelines. The appalling Javid did a whole event the other day without mentioning a Tory policy once. The whole Johnson and Conservative strategy is to say as little about their own policies (they haven’t actually got many they want publicising) and just attack personalities and instil fear in the electorate. Their own manifesto could be written on the back of a postage stamp. If they were so proud of their own achievements and confident in their own vision, they’d be out there selling it not ducking debate after debate and interview after interview. And now you are doing exactly what I'm criticising Labour for. You are not taking the opportunity to describe how great Labours policies would be for the people and economy of this country, you are, instead, taking the opportunity to knock the Tories. If you really believed in the current Labour policies, you should be promoting those in the sure-fire knowledge that they are such winners that what anybody else believes or stands for is irrelevant. And as for posting bollocks on this thread, I’ll leave that for experts like you to pronounce on. You know much more about it than I ever will.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 29, 2019 12:16:36 GMT
The Tories. I’ve just posted a number of links above which have the information as to how the Tories have been worse for the economy. I don’t expect to change your mind but it’s worth reading them. I'll admit to not being an academic or economic guru such as yourself, but I think I'm intelligent enough to recognise that if you spend as much money as Labour would like to, there is trouble ahead. As you say, I'm not going to change my mind on that no matter how many experts such as yourself try to persuade me otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 12:29:37 GMT
The Tories. I’ve just posted a number of links above which have the information as to how the Tories have been worse for the economy. I don’t expect to change your mind but it’s worth reading them. I'll admit to not being an academic or economic guru such as yourself, but I think I'm intelligent enough to recognise that if you spend as much money as Labour would like to, there is trouble ahead. As you say, I'm not going to change my mind on that no matter how many experts such as yourself try to persuade me otherwise. That's the whole point though its not as simple as not spending is better and what those articles show is the Conservatives had to admit that austerity has not worked and actually the economy would have been better if they had not implemented their policies. Although the deficit has been reduced it's not been reduced by as much as it would have been if they had spent more. Concentrating solely on the deficit figure is misleading and what is doesn't show is that for example the effects of austerity suppressed the level of GDP by almost £100 billion. In fact households have suffered because the impact of the economy stalling has meant wages have not increased therefore the research shows that is has subdued the economy by £3600 per household. You are paying for austerity. We all are. The country is not far off a recession. It has not worked. This article explains it much better than me. neweconomics.org/2019/02/austerity-is-subduing-uk-economy-by-more-than-3-600-per-household-this-year
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