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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 20:46:48 GMT
hyperbole, maybe, but we will be well on the road to serfdom. the point is, state socialism of the corbyn veriety will damage the private sector, and its the private sector that they will need to depend on for the taxes, they'll "soak" the rich and it will work for awhile, until they adjust to the new taxes by doing the things i say they will do in the previous post, and once theres been a money drain from the country labour will have to go looking for the taxes elsewhere AKA the middle class, and history shows once you destroy the middle class you destroy the country, you need a thriving middle class. socialism is great for awhile, until the long term consequences hit, which for us would be sooner rather than later because we're already in financial trouble RE borrowing and national debt, plus as we leave the EU we need to be as attractive as possible to investment, they won't be queuing up to set up business here under Corbyn, the regime uncertainty that labour would cause would make any potential investor very jittery, you'd be mad to invest in a country with such a unpredictable government. I just disagree, sorry. Don't be sorry it's personality trait of yours  strange how you usually back a loser can't think why that is. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 20:48:17 GMT
In your own post just. 150 years, especially in the western world, being more tolerant & helpful of the needy/working classes/etc... That doesn't mean we've been really tolerant, just that we've become more worker-oriented since 150 years ago, in general. Is that the sound of furious back peddling I hear there |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:55:24 GMT
That doesn't mean we've been really tolerant, just that we've become more worker-oriented since 150 years ago, in general. Also means capitalism isn't pure evil, eh? Again, I never said it was. It's an ideal that has big practical flaws, like communism |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:56:31 GMT
Do you read what people write before replying? Or do you just mash your head furiously against the keyboard and press 'send'?  you have admitted it has never worked and admitted it won't for hundreds of years  Yep, I admitted that ages ago, because I don't want communism. Like I said about 7 posts ago. I want a Corbyn/Sanders-esque democratic socialism implemented. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:58:11 GMT
you disagree that we need to make ourselves as attractive as possible to business investment when we leave the EU ? No, I just don't see a Corbyn government as being as 'anti-business' as people think. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 20:58:34 GMT
That doesn't mean we've been really tolerant, just that we've become more worker-oriented since 150 years ago, in general. Is that the sound of furious back peddling I hear there It's the exact same thing I said in the first post he's referring to. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 21:08:56 GMT
you disagree that we need to make ourselves as attractive as possible to business investment when we leave the EU ? No, I just don't see a Corbyn government as being as 'anti-business' as people think. Most businesses consider what Jeremy Corbyn is proposing is anti-business. Which, of course, it is. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 21:17:54 GMT
you have admitted it has never worked and admitted it won't for hundreds of years Yep, I admitted that ages ago, because I don't want communism. Like I said about 7 posts ago. I want a Corbyn/Sanders-esque democratic socialism implemented. Are you a member of the Fabian Society ? seems your beliefs are aligned with their doctrine. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 24, 2019 21:24:31 GMT
No, I just don't see a Corbyn government as being as 'anti-business' as people think. Most businesses consider what Jeremy Corbyn is proposing is anti-business. Which, of course, it is. even if he's not as anti business as people think, there is a perception thats he's very anti business, either way it will cause people to become hesitant about investment and if investment dries up, jobs won't be created which means more people dependent on the state, which means more taxes to pay for the dependency, which means less investment, its a vicious cycle and it's just one of myriad reasons why socialism always ends in failure, or worse, a blood bath. Too much state intervention in the market will fuck this country up at a time when we need more freedom, more investment, more entrapranurial spirit, not a big state stifling everything with more taxes, regulations and laws, btw there even a question mark over Johnson on this, he's not exactly a libertarian on state intervention in the market, he's basically socialist-lite, i expect people to hit me on that comment but its true, we're definitely a mixed economy country right now, the state looms large in all sectors these days. |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 24, 2019 21:24:31 GMT
No, I just don't see a Corbyn government as being as 'anti-business' as people think. Most businesses consider what Jeremy Corbyn is proposing is anti-business. Which, of course, it is. Most businesses consider leaving the EU a massive mistake. We are though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 21:27:52 GMT
Yep, I admitted that ages ago, because I don't want communism. Like I said about 7 posts ago. I want a Corbyn/Sanders-esque democratic socialism implemented. Are you a member of the Fabian Society ? seems your beliefs are aligned with their doctrine. I don't know of them to be honest. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 24, 2019 21:33:37 GMT
Most businesses consider what Jeremy Corbyn is proposing is anti-business. Which, of course, it is. Most businesses consider leaving the EU a massive mistake. We are though. the businesses who can afford to jump through the EU regulation hoops do, it helps stave off competition from smaller businesses. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 21:36:58 GMT
Are you a member of the Fabian Society ? seems your beliefs are aligned with their doctrine. I don't know of them to be honest. Maybe you should they advocate exactly what you are proposing, founded in 1884 strangely enough  so it's hardly an innovative or fresh approach to socialism, like a left wing version of the masons. |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 24, 2019 21:38:48 GMT
Most businesses consider leaving the EU a massive mistake. We are though. the businesses who can afford to jump through the EU regulation hoops do, it helps stave off competition from smaller businesses. You mean the businesses a new Labour government would tax the shit out of.? |
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Post by Foster on Nov 24, 2019 21:39:11 GMT
Don't be sorry it's personality trait of yours strange how you usually back a loser can't think why that is. By your logic he should be backing you all the time Hodor. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 21:45:35 GMT
Don't be sorry it's personality trait of yours strange how you usually back a loser can't think why that is. By your logic he should be backing you all the time Hodor. Welcome my Flemish immigrant are you well ? how is life away from the UK ? do you get to vote in the Belgium elections ? |
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Post by Foster on Nov 24, 2019 21:48:15 GMT
By your logic he should be backing you all the time Hodor. Welcome my Flemish immigrant are you well ? how is life away from the UK ? do you get to vote in the Belgium elections ? I'm good thx, and yes, I can vote in local elections. Not that I bother. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 21:54:21 GMT
Welcome my Flemish immigrant are you well ? how is life away from the UK ? do you get to vote in the Belgium elections ? I'm good thx, and yes, I can vote in local elections. Not that I bother. Use it or lose it, are the politicians over there as shit as they are here ? |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 24, 2019 23:14:31 GMT
Most businesses consider what Jeremy Corbyn is proposing is anti-business. Which, of course, it is. Most businesses consider leaving the EU a massive mistake. We are though. 94% of UK businesses dont trade with the EU so the majority really dont care |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 24, 2019 23:22:31 GMT
Most businesses consider leaving the EU a massive mistake. We are though. 94% of UK businesses dont trade with the EU so the majority really dont care Wow. That's a mind boggling statistic. So only 6% of British companies trade with the EU.?? |
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Post by Foster on Nov 24, 2019 23:52:44 GMT
94% of UK businesses dont trade with the EU so the majority really dont care Wow. That's a mind boggling statistic. So only 6% of British companies trade with the EU.?? It's clearly a bullshit statistic. Use the ftse 500 as a sample and I would imagine ALL of them do business with the EU. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 24, 2019 23:55:06 GMT
Most businesses consider leaving the EU a massive mistake. We are though. 94% of UK businesses dont trade with the EU so the majority really dont care That's so bad it's embarrassing mate. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2019 0:07:09 GMT
94% of UK businesses dont trade with the EU so the majority really dont care That's so bad it's embarrassing mate. That's what SHE said. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 25, 2019 0:13:16 GMT
That's so bad it's embarrassing mate. That's what SHE said. True.. .. But you get to an age where you couldn't care less  |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 25, 2019 7:21:51 GMT
Labour spending is like building a HS2. Every year !  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2019 7:45:24 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 25, 2019 8:29:38 GMT
oh dear o dear the conservatives caught lying again throughout there manifesto with fake figures and lies
you cant trust the conservatives !
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 25, 2019 8:50:48 GMT
& People say them foreigners don’t bother to learn our language. I’ve never heard anyone grasp the use of Anglo-Saxon so wellXx |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 25, 2019 8:52:30 GMT
So it has never worked and is never likely to work it's a pipe dream  Do you read what people write before replying? Or do you just mash your head furiously against the keyboard and press 'send'? Oh yes! Nail on the head🔨 |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2019 9:01:40 GMT
Labour's manifesto might have more credibility if it firstly showed some prudence in cost cutting measures, secondly tackled Electoral reform and thirdly was sensible on Brexit.
They could have done worse than copying some of the BREXIT contract....
Cancel HS2
Halve the overseas aid budget
Abolish the House of Lords ( and mean it)
Reform the voting system.
In my opinion without the last two we are going to see a Tory government for 10 years and the possible demise of the Labour party .... period of reflection and starting again for them.
My prediction at the moment is a sizeable majority for the Tories...... without electoral reform I'm not sure that we will see a Labour government again .. that might suit some of their MPs who seem to revel in moaning from the side particularly attacking the character or past of the MPs themselves..... it's nice to have the moral high ground.
16 days to go, I don't think things will change radically before the election
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strange how you usually back a loser can't think why that is.
you have admitted it has never worked and admitted it won't for hundreds of years 
so it's hardly an innovative or fresh approach to socialism, like a left wing version of the masons. 
