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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 22:35:50 GMT
It seems clear to me that we are just now starting to realise what is wrong at our club. Two words. Jon Coates. I am genuinely shocked watching that video. Surely he was pissed? Joint CEO of Bet365?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 31, 2019 22:36:08 GMT
Give it to the sister. That weasel faced bean counter of a chief executive would have his arsed kicked so far down the road he'd land in Normandy within seconds.
Old Leek Town Fatty wouldn't have even got a job selling pies..
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Post by 1863 on Aug 31, 2019 22:41:27 GMT
Wow......
The 'penny drops' for me at least.
That's the most excruciatingly inarticulate performance on video, I've ever seen. I guess it's true to say his Sister's the 'brains' behind the operation? I've pondered for a while whether 'i'm cutting my nose off, to spite my face' in not going to see my beloved 'Stoke'.
I thought it was easy to detest the state of modern football, and modern footballers, in my own personal boycott.
Thanks for posting the video of this 'nincompoop', it's explanation enough for me to continue me taking up golf again, at least on Saturday afternoons.
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Post by rawli on Aug 31, 2019 22:42:22 GMT
I don’t think it is fair to blame Jon for this crisis. I blame the process. It needs to be scrapped, the appointment of Carto’s successor needs delaying and a very experienced manager with a track record of saving crisis clubs has to be appointed. Any ideas who they could appoint?...
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 31, 2019 22:42:48 GMT
We need a strong minded organizer. Someone who has never been relegated as a Manager, and had promotion success.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 22:46:35 GMT
we are fucked
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Post by pavel on Aug 31, 2019 22:47:43 GMT
It seems clear to me that we are just now starting to realise what is wrong at our club. Two words. Jon Coates. I am genuinely shocked watching that video. Shocked is too kind a word Paul, I have many words for it but none are publishable, cringeworthy, amateurish and incredulous come to mind and how to bring your club into disrepute fits as well. I'm not often lost for words, but......
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 31, 2019 22:51:21 GMT
And finally...
The penny drops...
John obviously loves the club, and public speaking may not be is bag. But that video makes some things startlingly apparent:
1) Regardless of what we think of TS, its obvious he's running rings around the Coates' 2) TS probably couldn't believe his luck when the Coates family re-took over the club and bank rolled it. They're paying him £900K+ a year plus bonuses! 3) We need Denise involved and fast 4) TP dragged this club up by its bootstraps 5) IF we do get another manager in, we need experience and someone who knows a thing or too about football because off the pitch, academy included.
The Coates family have bankrolled the club and for now it theirs to do as they see fit. But my god they need some successful footballing people in their ASAP!
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 31, 2019 22:56:01 GMT
Jones will be going early next week to deflect blame yet again but surely Juniors position at the club must also be in question, surely. Who keeps employing these idiots and whatever “the plan” and “no lessons learnt” is an absolutely piss take of the highest order. This club is poison Bollocks. The club previously tried your older experienced type manager. They then went for rowett who many on here were calling for and nearly got derby up just before we nabbed him. It didn't work out though. We then went for someone who had played exciting, attacking football, gaining two back to back promotions and out scoring most of europe in the process. It hasn't worked out though. We can moan at this and that, but the two appointments were not wank or stupid at the time. Rowett was a manager whose record showed him able to get you into the play offs. At the time of his sacking he'd won more than he'd lost and might still have done that, aka the scenario that befell Bruce at Villa, where his first season appeared on course to not be unlike our's in mid table. He had never spent a big budget before though, or managed PL players. I'd say Rowett wasn't "stupid", but he wasn't the best appointment either and certainly it was very risky to give him 50m in one go. Sorry, I do think Jones was stupid though. At the time we still aspired to be promotion challengers, but this type of manager simply doesn't get teams up (unless they built the team themselves in the lower leagues, so know it intimately). A quick look at 5+ years of history will tell you. You never can tell in football, but for the 25th-30th biggest club in the land to appoint a manager from a club with around 1/10th of the resources, who has never managed in the division before and never done anything remotely like he was being asked to do here was madness to my eyes. His experience was impressive, but simply way too limited for a job that was on a much bigger scale and also irrelevant. It was like appointing a newsagent to run Smiths. Many would disagree, but yes, I think that was stupid.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 31, 2019 22:56:58 GMT
I am genuinely shocked watching that video. Shocked is too kind a word Paul, I have many words for it but none are publishable, cringeworthy, amateurish and incredulous come to mind and how to bring your club into disrepute fits as well. I'm not often lost for words, but...... Well it's clear now why our management recruitment has been so piss poor lately. Lambert - name was written on the back of a matchbox by a ball boy who's gran lived in a caravan in Great Yarmouth near Norwich and posted it through the club shop letterbox at least 25 times. Rowett- Jon got pissed up on a night out in Derby and got told by a bouncer that Rowett was the best manager in the world, ever and had a great voice for the radio. Jones - someone who works for bet 365 cleaning out the piss in the portakabins who watches 3 games a week recommended him because he talked and talked constantly about football at a born again Christian house party in 2017 Fuck me it's grim isn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 23:01:04 GMT
Shocked is too kind a word Paul, I have many words for it but none are publishable, cringeworthy, amateurish and incredulous come to mind and how to bring your club into disrepute fits as well. I'm not often lost for words, but...... Well it's clear now why our management recruitment has been so piss poor lately. Lambert - name was written on the back of a matchbox by a ball boy who's gran lived in a caravan in Great Yarmouth near Norwich and posted it through the club shop letterbox. Rowett- Jon got pissed up on a night out in Derby and got told by a bouncer that Rowett was the best manager in the world, ever and had a great voice for the radio. Jones - someone who works for bet 365 cleaning out the piss in the portakabins who watches 3 games a week recommended him because he talked and talked constantly about football at a born again Christian house party in 2017 Fuck me it's grim isn't it. It is now quite a few hours since I watched that clip. I am simply stunned.
If PC has taken the back seat, and JC is in control, it really does explain everything that has gone wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 23:06:16 GMT
Shocked is too kind a word Paul, I have many words for it but none are publishable, cringeworthy, amateurish and incredulous come to mind and how to bring your club into disrepute fits as well. I'm not often lost for words, but...... Well it's clear now why our management recruitment has been so piss poor lately. Lambert - name was written on the back of a matchbox by a ball boy who's gran lived in a caravan in Great Yarmouth near Norwich and posted it through the club shop letterbox. Rowett- Jon got pissed up on a night out in Derby and got told by a bouncer that Rowett was the best manager in the world, ever and had a great voice for the radio. Jones - someone who works for bet 365 cleaning out the piss in the portakabins who watches 3 games a week recommended him because he talked and talked constantly about football at a born again Christian house party in 2017 Fuck me it's grim isn't it. They perhaps need to ask the head of recruitment at Bet365 to teach than how to correctly identify the job that needs to be done and find a person with the qualifications to do it because they haven’t got a fucking clue. The only thing wrong with this club is that neither the manager recruiters or the player recruiters can identify those two things.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 31, 2019 23:07:24 GMT
That video is embarrassing but let's not rewrite fucking history and start espousing the fabrication that the cancers that ail this club can all be traced backed to Jon Coates.
Jesus wept.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Aug 31, 2019 23:08:54 GMT
Shocked is too kind a word Paul, I have many words for it but none are publishable, cringeworthy, amateurish and incredulous come to mind and how to bring your club into disrepute fits as well. I'm not often lost for words, but...... Well it's clear now why our management recruitment has been so piss poor lately. Lambert - name was written on the back of a matchbox by a ball boy who's gran lived in a caravan in Great Yarmouth near Norwich and posted it through the club shop letterbox. Rowett- Jon got pissed up on a night out in Derby and got told by a bouncer that Rowett was the best manager in the world, ever and had a great voice for the radio. Jones - someone who works for bet 365 cleaning out the piss in the portakabins who watches 3 games a week recommended him because he talked and talked constantly about football at a born again Christian house party in 2017 Fuck me it's grim isn't it. I probably shouldn't admit this but have just laughed to the point of tears reading that. Specially the Jones bit. Every week I think we've hit rock bottom we drop again. But reading (and seeing Jon Coates' explanation is comedy gold. It's cheered me up. If we're going to be shit we might as well be epically shit. That story is one we'll talk about for years. As we tour the lower leagues probably.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 23:09:50 GMT
That video is embarrassing but let's not rewrite fucking history and start espousing the fabrication that the cancers that ail this club can all be traced backed to Jon Coates. Jesus wept. Agree but he clearly doesn’t have a fucking clue and having Tony Scholes next to him must just be like another sequel to Dumb and Dumber. I can just imagine them egging each other on in their ever more idiotic ideas. He needs someone who has a clue next to him if he is going to do this.
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Post by rawli on Aug 31, 2019 23:10:30 GMT
Board meetings must be absolutely hilarious with these 2 telling themselves what a great job they are doing and how everything bad is everyone else's fault.
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Post by spitshaw on Aug 31, 2019 23:13:56 GMT
So a video shows that John Coates isn't a good public speaker and Tony Scholes looks bored/annoyed next to him and now suddenly everything is John Coates fault?
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 31, 2019 23:17:15 GMT
As I thought, he's very much like Fredo.
We are fucking fucked.
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 31, 2019 23:18:53 GMT
So a video shows that John Coates isn't a good public speaker and Tony Scholes looks bored/annoyed next to him and now suddenly everything is John Coates fault? Coates employs Scholes. Are you a manager...a leader? No. I know you are not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 23:19:50 GMT
So a video shows that John Coates isn't a good public speaker It shows far more than that!
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Post by 1863 on Aug 31, 2019 23:25:30 GMT
So many of us having the same 'shocked' reaction. Also the obvious visual clues that show how that **** Scholes manages to bamboozle this dolt.
Saw somebody elsewhere asking is their anyother club with richer owners in a lower league position?
I remember the animosity aimed at Coatesy Senior when he took over the club on the proceeds of selling meat 'n' tater pies, but at least the 'owd tup' had a bit of business nous, and a certain amount of old 'Stoke' principles which I myself once witnessed personally.
I used to think 'Codge' got away with murder when HMRC put the pressure on him to sell to Vodafone just before the markets tumbled. He's bloody Warren Buffet compared to this cretin.
What is it about Stoke, that provides such fertile ground for dickheads like this to just ruin your life(style)...?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 31, 2019 23:28:18 GMT
So a video shows that John Coates isn't a good public speaker and Tony Scholes looks bored/annoyed next to him and now suddenly everything is John Coates fault? I'm not being funny but if you're a CEO of one of the worlds biggest companies and vice chairman of an ex Premier league football club you should learn to be a good public speaker.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 31, 2019 23:30:59 GMT
I know it's lashing out time but a few seem unwilling to land their twatters on the actual people responsible.
Very odd
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 23:33:05 GMT
So a video shows that John Coates isn't a good public speaker and Tony Scholes looks bored/annoyed next to him and now suddenly everything is John Coates fault? I'm not being funny but if you're a CEO of one of the worlds biggest companies and vice chairman of an ex Premier league football club you should learn to be a good public speaker. I don't think "good" is an absolute requirement - but what we have seen here is just laughable.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 31, 2019 23:34:00 GMT
1. A specialist independent football man should draw up a list of potential candidates.
2. That specialist should assemble a knowledgeable panel to invite interviewees to account for their plans for the first team.
3. The panel should recommend a manager to the board and the board should then listen to that advice and ideally appoint the manager.
Tony Scholes is not paid to know anything about the footballing side, Jon knows nothing about the footballing side and ideally should just drink and watch us win.
Problem is this football club does not have the aforesaid "specialist independent football man". Until we appoint a competent director of football we are fucked.
We will just make the same mistakes all over again.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 31, 2019 23:53:08 GMT
I know exactly how turkeys feel at christmas now eeeek !!!!!!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 31, 2019 23:56:22 GMT
We need a strong minded organizer. Someone who has never been relegated as a Manager, and had promotion success. We all know the answer, TP!
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 31, 2019 23:58:48 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 1, 2019 0:02:35 GMT
Don't hesitate, make TP our manager now!
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 1, 2019 2:34:50 GMT
Don't hesitate, make TP our manager now! I'd be very tempted to get a football man in on the board and some expert in organisational change The whole thing needs some structure and some people to make decisions and be accountable for those decisions. We look to be a 200m Turnover co being run like a 5 aside team for the dog and duck.
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