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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 14, 2019 19:53:09 GMT
Federici
Smith. Collins Bruno Ward
Badou. Clucas
Ince. Duffy. Gregory
Vokes
That's the way out
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 14, 2019 19:55:13 GMT
Federici Smith. Collins Bruno Ward Badou. Clucas Ince. Duffy. Gregory Vokes That's the way out Gregory on the left?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 14, 2019 19:56:39 GMT
Federici Smith. Collins Bruno Ward Badou. Clucas Ince. Duffy. Gregory Vokes That's the way out Gregory on the left? I would, because I don't want to play mcclean, and we don't have verlinden. I think Gregory is extremely fit and strong and could do something similar to what Cresswell did
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 14, 2019 20:28:32 GMT
I would, because I don't want to play mcclean, and we don't have verlinden. I think Gregory is extremely fit and strong and could do something similar to what Cresswell did McClean is a better option on the left than a bloke who’s never played there. Etebo would be a better option for the wing than possibly either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 21:03:11 GMT
Fantastic today. I’d have given him MOTM
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2019 21:15:19 GMT
Without doubt the biggest plus of the day. Who cares where his head's at if he's prepared to put a shift in like that? Sadly for NJ, I think it'll be the next manager who gets the benefit. And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs Shudders ... That sentence alone makes you realise how far we've actually fallen, so quickly ... and on so many levels.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 21:18:20 GMT
And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs Shudders ... That sentence alone makes you realise how far we've actually fallen, so quickly ... and on so many levels. It’s frightening isn’t it. The whole reasoning behind it too, he was good in an u23 side years ago. Naive bullshit.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 22:44:35 GMT
Shudders ... That sentence alone makes you realise how far we've actually fallen, so quickly ... and on so many levels. It’s frightening isn’t it. The whole reasoning behind it too, he was good in an u23 side years ago. Naive bullshit. Please see the process , see the brining Architecht’s we’re still in situ today
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 14, 2019 22:46:59 GMT
Federici Smith. Collins Bruno Ward Badou. Clucas Ince. Duffy. Gregory Vokes That's the way out The way out of the Championship 👊
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 22:47:19 GMT
It’s frightening isn’t it. The whole reasoning behind it too, he was good in an u23 side years ago. Naive bullshit. Please see the process , see the brining Architecht’s we’re still in situ today The process is shite but one man wanted Jordan Cousins.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 14, 2019 22:51:58 GMT
And if he carries it on, he’ll definitely be gone in January. Which is very shit but the nature of the beast. Jones wanted and got Cousins for this role ffs Shudders ... That sentence alone makes you realise how far we've actually fallen, so quickly ... and on so many levels. Signing Cousins for CDM was the time it was obvious the manager was totally out of his depth in this division.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 22:53:19 GMT
Please see the process , see the brining Architecht’s we’re still in situ today The process is shite but one man wanted Jordan Cousins. Well,the man paid £1m to run the prices should say computer says no
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 14, 2019 23:08:52 GMT
The process is shite but one man wanted Jordan Cousins. Well,the man paid £1m to run the prices should say computer says no We've been through this hundreds of times. You either back your manager's judgement 100% or you sack him.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 23:13:11 GMT
Well,the man paid £1m to run the prices should say computer says no We've been through this hundreds of times. You either back your manager's judgement 100% or you sack him. Incorrect You employ football people with the right insight to form a view , guide the manager etc you don’t pretend you have a process which works when it clear,y doesn’t in the name of self interest
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 15, 2019 9:12:03 GMT
I would, because I don't want to play mcclean, and we don't have verlinden. I think Gregory is extremely fit and strong and could do something similar to what Cresswell did McClean is a better option on the left than a bloke who’s never played there. Etebo would be a better option for the wing than possibly either. Neither etebo or mcclean contribute anything in an attacking sense. Gregory would have the possibility of doing that, and getting near to the lone striker. Who knows, but there's no doubt we need Badou to get a run of games as defensive mid
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 15, 2019 9:42:26 GMT
McClean is a better option on the left than a bloke who’s never played there. Etebo would be a better option for the wing than possibly either. Neither etebo or mcclean contribute anything in an attacking sense. Gregory would have the possibility of doing that, and getting near to the lone striker. Who knows, but there's no doubt we need Badou to get a run of games as defensive mid I don't agree with that to be honest, I think both do up to a point and putting Gregory there is the kind of thing Pulis used to do with Carl Asaba. I don't recall that 'offering much in an attacking sense'. Etebo looked good in a left wing cameo last season and started his career as a winger. Attacking wise we looked far less threatening without McClean than with him yesterday.
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Post by camstoke10 on Sept 15, 2019 12:22:23 GMT
I honestly don’t get why people are criticising the signing of cousins, he’s still young and who knows could come back into the side and tear it up, he’s a no risk signing with a decent sell on value
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 15, 2019 12:34:25 GMT
I honestly don’t get why people are criticising the signing of cousins, he’s still young and who knows could come back into the side and tear it up, he’s a no risk signing with a decent sell on value He's another identikit midfielder mate. Cant pass Cant shoot Cant tackle Cant dictate play Just runs around in a 10 x 10 box trying to emulate Claude Makalele. Seems a nice enough lad but is nowhere near good enough.
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Post by camstoke10 on Sept 15, 2019 12:52:48 GMT
I honestly don’t get why people are criticising the signing of cousins, he’s still young and who knows could come back into the side and tear it up, he’s a no risk signing with a decent sell on value He's another identikit midfielder mate. Cant pass Cant shoot Cant tackle Cant dictate play Just runs around in a 10 x 10 box trying to emulate Claude Makalele. Seems a nice enough lad but is nowhere near good enough. how can you say someone isn’t good enough when they have played about 5 games, Gove the lad a chance
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 15, 2019 13:53:24 GMT
He's another identikit midfielder mate. Cant pass Cant shoot Cant tackle Cant dictate play Just runs around in a 10 x 10 box trying to emulate Claude Makalele. Seems a nice enough lad but is nowhere near good enough. how can you say someone isn’t good enough when they have played about 5 games, Gove the lad a chance problem is too few are getting a run of games with all the chopping and changing. Imo Federici shouldn’t have been dropped, he played well against Leeds. Butland’s been no better since he came back. Jones must know by now his best players, he needs to stick with a constant starting 11 if possible and if that includes Ince and Allen, god please help Nathan.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 15, 2019 14:11:49 GMT
He's another identikit midfielder mate. Cant pass Cant shoot Cant tackle Cant dictate play Just runs around in a 10 x 10 box trying to emulate Claude Makalele. Seems a nice enough lad but is nowhere near good enough. how can you say someone isn’t good enough when they have played about 5 games, Gove the lad a chance I would love to mate, I'd genuinely love nothing more than him to prove me wrong and become a destroyer; but he's not a young lad making his way in the game he's 25 and played almost 200 league games scoring 8 goals. He is another nothing player who doesnt bring any type of specialist role to the team and is the type of signing which has destroyed our midfield for years.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 15, 2019 16:08:37 GMT
He's another identikit midfielder mate. Cant pass Cant shoot Cant tackle Cant dictate play Just runs around in a 10 x 10 box trying to emulate Claude Makalele. Seems a nice enough lad but is nowhere near good enough. how can you say someone isn’t good enough when they have played about 5 games, Gove the lad a chance Cousin's was written off by some before he started. The games I've seen him play he's looked quite tidy - nothing special but decent enough in a role that rarely catches the eye anyway. Compare his treatment with that of the fans favourites - like Butland and Edwards who've had some stinkers - the only conclusion you can draw is that some posters have written their posts before the season started rather than base it on what's actually happened on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 17:21:03 GMT
I would, because I don't want to play mcclean, and we don't have verlinden. I think Gregory is extremely fit and strong and could do something similar to what Cresswell did McClean is a better option on the left than a bloke who’s never played there. Better option for what? He'll run forward all day but he'll never deliver a dangerous cross, let alone one that reaches a team mate. He'll run back but will be no use defensively because of non existant defensive skills, as displayed many times including yesterday.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 15, 2019 17:33:14 GMT
McClean is a better option on the left than a bloke who’s never played there. Better option for what? He'll run forward all day but he'll never deliver a dangerous cross, let alone one that reaches a team mate. He'll run back but will be no use defensively because of non existant defensive skills, as displayed many times including yesterday. We were worse for his departure yesterday for all his faults. Why is Gregory a better option?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2019 18:04:42 GMT
I honestly don’t get why people are criticising the signing of cousins, he’s still young and who knows could come back into the side and tear it up, he’s a no risk signing with a decent sell on value He’s 25, he’s not old but he’s not young. Who the hell are we going to sell him to? He’s dreadful.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 15, 2019 18:07:53 GMT
I honestly don’t get why people are criticising the signing of cousins, he’s still young and who knows could come back into the side and tear it up, he’s a no risk signing with a decent sell on value He'll leave on a free if he's lucky to convince some other club to sign him.
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Post by Linx on Sept 15, 2019 18:29:23 GMT
I would, because I don't want to play mcclean, and we don't have verlinden. I think Gregory is extremely fit and strong and could do something similar to what Cresswell did And people on here did nothing but slag off poor old Cressy while he was played out of position for most of his Stoke career.🙄
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 18:51:03 GMT
Better option for what? He'll run forward all day but he'll never deliver a dangerous cross, let alone one that reaches a team mate. He'll run back but will be no use defensively because of non existant defensive skills, as displayed many times including yesterday. We were worse for his departure yesterday for all his faults. Why is Gregory a better option? I've not suggested Gregory. I may be the only one who's not a fan of a striker who hasn't scored a single goal for us, and I have no idea why anybody would play him out of position, although with Jones in charge you can never rule that out.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 15, 2019 18:56:28 GMT
how can you say someone isn’t good enough when they have played about 5 games, Gove the lad a chance Cousin's was written off by some before he started. The games I've seen him play he's looked quite tidy - nothing special but decent enough in a role that rarely catches the eye anyway. Compare his treatment with that of the fans favourites - like Butland and Edwards who've had some stinkers - the only conclusion you can draw is that some posters have written their posts before the season started rather than base it on what's actually happened on the pitch. This is exactly the problem. "He's looked quite tidy" - what does he do? He was brought in to play at the base of a diamond where basic duties include: Starting attacks. Receiving the ball from the keeper/centre backs. Screening the back 4. Ensuring the opposition No. 10 is under pressure. Now Jordan seems a nice lad but being neat and tidy just doesnt cut it. He's not going to be good enough and will be another we desperately struggle to offload. I dont want him to fail, I would love him to succeed but a blind man can see that he's not what's needed. Luckily and I really mean luckily N'Diaye looks like he wants to play so it wont be a discussion moving forward anyway, at least until January.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 15, 2019 19:08:14 GMT
I would, because I don't want to play mcclean, and we don't have verlinden. I think Gregory is extremely fit and strong and could do something similar to what Cresswell did Like it! Just a thought - Ince has pretty similar stats on the left as the right, but has just played less games there - in both positions he's scored or created about 0.5/game for over 100 games. So, Ince on the left leaves open the option of Gregory or Duffy on the right. Duffy's success at Shef U last year was from CAM but he can also play on the right. But agree with the recipe of width and then Vokes up top. We could do with a loan like Snodgrass or Brady in Jan to get quality from both flanks.
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