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Post by elystokie on Aug 11, 2019 10:32:11 GMT
I disagree. Pulis did his job right away, he kept us in the league. The goal never was publicly to get promotion, it kind of just happened and we were all surprised. Yes it took 2 seasons to get us up but seriously, it was still a surprise and with a shoe string. He made us hard to beat, we really aren't hard to beat at all now are we? A shoestring? Do people get off making this shit up? A fucking shoestring He kept us up on a shoestring as well, it was a shoestring that was longer than everybodies bar Man City and Chelsea's 'shoestring' but still..
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 10:36:56 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 11, 2019 10:36:56 GMT
Watford kept firing managers. As did Leicester to some extent and Saints. Perhaps we need to be more ruthless. They get paid big bucks to deliver results, that's it, that's the rile, so if you don't get results then you get someone else who can. The evidence suggests he has had a lot of games and hasn't won many with some defeats bizarrely self-inflicted like yesterday. Should give more time yes but most professionals are set targets and reminded that if they don't achieve the targets then certain consequences are inevitable. He's a nice enough guy yes, nothing personal, he does appear to be trying, is genuinely frustrated but those are the plain and simple rules. Maybe give a target of so many wins by end Oct and if not achieved with no marked change in trajectory then he should be thanked for trying and go for someone else. Can't believe you missed Leeds off that???
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 10:37:53 GMT
pulis was given a pretty big budget in the promotion season, I think we even spent like 1.2m on shoela ameobis loan deal ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 10:52:55 GMT
Not quite sure what was ‘scattergun’ about yesterday? Powell injured > Ince starts McClean compassion leave > Ward starts Lindsay banned last week, started yesterday (his own signing) Hogan only brought in on Weds so wasn’t available to us against QPR (his own signing) Cousins and Vokes dropped on merit, both their replacements performing much better than them. Unless you wanted them to play so that we can claim ‘consistency’ is being applied? Fuck that. My opinion is it was mate there's just no consistency in anything he does. Woods literally in from the wilderness. Do I think Cousins freed by QPR is any good ? Based on one game he is dog shit. But let's get this clear these are Jones signings and already it's looking like he doesn't trust or rate them. Again I'd love an explanation of why Woods was blackballed yet suddenly propelled into his team. I'm certainly not suggesting sticking with the same shit every game but there really is no logic to some of his decision making. Take Davies , is he injured ? If so fair enough but he's looking like 3rd choice . Don't get that at all. He's running out of ideas and panicking . If the club didn't keep lying about attendances we will see the fact people are staying away in numbers 24'000 my arse If that's how you view it mate, then fair enough. I just think we're entering 'damned if he does, damned if he doesn't' territory. After last week's performance I'd have been tempted to drop the whole bloody lot of 'em Don't agree on the whole 'Woods in from the cold' thing tbh. We obviously don't know what went on last season (plenty of rumours about personal issues but don't know for definite), but he started against Sheffield Utd at the end of last year and has been involved throughout preseason as one of the two vying for the DM spot. He was on the bench against QPR and he's stepped in for someone yourself has described as being 'dog shit' last week. If Woods had been in with the rest of the bomb squad to suddenly become a first teamer, I'd totally agree with you, but the guy has played regularly throughout preseason and has been part of the match day 18 on a regular basis throughout 2019. As for Davies, god knows, but we'll have to wait and see how that one pans out. Can't see many people clamouring for him to dislodge either of the other two. Perhaps he'll get the Cup games? I don't see his changes - some enforced, some absolutely the right decision - as panicking personally. If he's constantly changing and tweaking his team come mid-September (cup game(s) aside) I'll totally be with you. He'll need to settle on an XI pretty quickly to allow them to gel (and, for the most part, the team yesterday were playing some very good footy). Yesterday's line-up made total sense imho, taking the circumstances into consideration. With Etebo, McClean and Powell likely to be available again pretty soon, it will be interesting to see how he sees his strongest line-up. How he'll resolve the Ince/Duffy/Powell conundrum will be a test though.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 11, 2019 11:03:19 GMT
My opinion is it was mate there's just no consistency in anything he does. Woods literally in from the wilderness. Do I think Cousins freed by QPR is any good ? Based on one game he is dog shit. But let's get this clear these are Jones signings and already it's looking like he doesn't trust or rate them. Again I'd love an explanation of why Woods was blackballed yet suddenly propelled into his team. I'm certainly not suggesting sticking with the same shit every game but there really is no logic to some of his decision making. Take Davies , is he injured ? If so fair enough but he's looking like 3rd choice . Don't get that at all. He's running out of ideas and panicking . If the club didn't keep lying about attendances we will see the fact people are staying away in numbers 24'000 my arse If that's how you view it mate, then fair enough. I just think we're entering 'damned if he does, damned if he doesn't' territory. After last week's performance I'd have been tempted to drop the whole bloody lot of 'em Don't agree on the whole 'Woods in from the cold' thing tbh. We obviously don't know what went on last season (plenty of rumours about personal issues but don't know for definite), but he started against Sheffield Utd at the end of last year and has been involved throughout preseason as one of the two vying for the DM spot. He was on the bench against QPR and he's stepped in for, someone yourself has described as, being 'dog shit' last week. If Woods had been in with the rest of the bomb squad to suddenly become a first teamer, I'd totally agree with you, but the guy has played regularly throughout preseason and has been part of the match day 18 on a regular basis throughout 2019. As for Davies, god knows, but we'll have to wait and see how that one pans out. Can't see many people clamouring for him to dislodge either of the other two. Perhaps he'll get the Cup games? I don't see his changes - some enforced, some absolutely the right decision - as panicking personally. If he's constantly changing and tweaking his team come mid-September (cup game(s) aside) I'll totally be with you. He'll need to settle on an XI pretty quickly to allow them to gel (and, for the most part, the team yesterday were playing some very good footy). Yesterday's line-up made total sense imho, taking the circumstances into consideration. With Etebo, McClean and Powell likely to be available again pretty soon, it will be interesting to see how he sees his strongest line-up. How he'll resolve the Ince/Duffy/Powell conundrum will be a test though. A certain section of support has gone from defcom “ discrete Tenna pad mode, to full blown boutique Tenna pant with no panty line mode “
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2019 11:13:01 GMT
His stats are approaching Kamara standard.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2019 11:20:14 GMT
Things could turn on a sixpence with a good run. We just need 3 points to spark it. This little run of Derby, Preston, Leeds and Birmingham will be crucial.
Another month's worth of this form and anyone would do well to survive it, with whatever mitigation there is. Poison will be dripping all over the stadium.
01 B'ford 22 12 3 7 38 24 14 39 02 Weds 22 10 8 4 33 21 12 38
03 WBA 22 11 5 6 36 30 6 38 04 Derby 21 9 8 4 33 21 12 35 05 Preston 22 10 5 7 32 25 7 35 06 Leeds 21 10 3 8 31 24 7 33
07 Swans 22 9 6 7 32 32 0 33 08 Brist C 22 9 6 7 29 29 0 33 09 Boro 22 9 4 9 24 27 -3 31 10 Wigan 22 7 8 7 29 29 0 29 11 Hull 22 8 5 9 33 38 -5 29 12 Forest 22 8 4 10 24 28 -4 28 13 Reading 22 6 9 7 23 30 -7 27 14 B'burn 22 8 2 12 32 32 0 26 15 B'ham 22 6 8 8 28 31 -3 26
16 M'wall 22 4 8 10 17 24 -7 20 17 Stoke 22 3 11 8 17 26 -9 20 18 QPR 22 4 4 14 23 39 -16 16
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Post by nott1 on Aug 11, 2019 11:22:13 GMT
Has he gone yet?
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 11:28:52 GMT
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 11, 2019 11:28:52 GMT
Kamara 7.1% win rate Jones 13% win rate
Could be 12.5% by next weekend 😖
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 11, 2019 11:42:21 GMT
Knicker whetting all round already. We still haven't shifted all of the deadwood, and Im inclined to include Butland in that. When Etebo returns, we will be better, as he will make more runs from the midfield.
Losing Shawcross is a blow, and Collins/Lindsey/Vickers are going to have to step up quick to plug these gaps. Thought Lindsey played well yesterday, but he needs to adapt to a new team and a step up in quality, which will only happen with playing games.
Now is the the time to start judging Jones, but not over 2 games, he needs at least half season with "his" players. If we sack him now, we will have another new manager with another set of ideas, wanting another squad overall, we need to take stock and stabilise for a while, then I'm sure we will see change, AND try and get this apparent hex off our backs.
As for yesterday, Jack gifts them a goal (again!) other than that it was a huge improvement, and Id struggle to single out any one player. The fight and desire is there, we were literally inches away from giving Charlton a pasting, it will come, but as fans we need to be patient.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 11, 2019 11:58:31 GMT
Knicker whetting all round already. We still haven't shifted all of the deadwood, and Im inclined to include Butland in that. When Etebo returns, we will be better, as he will make more runs from the midfield. Losing Shawcross is a blow, and Collins/Lindsey/Vickers are going to have to step up quick to plug these gaps. Thought Lindsey played well yesterday, but he needs to adapt to a new team and a step up in quality, which will only happen with playing games. Now is the the time to start judging Jones, but not over 2 games, he needs at least half season with "his" players. If we sack him now, we will have another new manager with another set of ideas, wanting another squad overall, we need to take stock and stabilise for a while, then I'm sure we will see change, AND try and get this apparent hex off our backs. As for yesterday, Jack gifts them a goal (again!) other than that it was a huge improvement, and Id struggle to single out any one player. The fight and desire is there, we were literally inches away from giving Charlton a pasting, it will come, but as fans we need to be patient. A ray of light in a fog of apathy and despair 😩
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 12:02:46 GMT
Kamara 7.1% win rate Jones 13% win rate Could be 12.5% by next weekend 😖 What was Rowetts ? I think Kamara was only in charge for about 13 games ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2019 12:09:46 GMT
Kamara 7.1% win rate Jones 13% win rate Could be 12.5% by next weekend 😖 What was Rowetts ? I think Kamara was only in charge for about 13 games ? Think this was the record when he left... 14th Stoke City 26 8 11 7 30:31 -1 35
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 11, 2019 12:11:03 GMT
Knicker whetting all round already. We still haven't shifted all of the deadwood, and Im inclined to include Butland in that. When Etebo returns, we will be better, as he will make more runs from the midfield. Losing Shawcross is a blow, and Collins/Lindsey/Vickers are going to have to step up quick to plug these gaps. Thought Lindsey played well yesterday, but he needs to adapt to a new team and a step up in quality, which will only happen with playing games. Now is the the time to start judging Jones, but not over 2 games, he needs at least half season with "his" players. If we sack him now, we will have another new manager with another set of ideas, wanting another squad overall, we need to take stock and stabilise for a while, then I'm sure we will see change, AND try and get this apparent hex off our backs. As for yesterday, Jack gifts them a goal (again!) other than that it was a huge improvement, and Id struggle to single out any one player. The fight and desire is there, we were literally inches away from giving Charlton a pasting, it will come, but as fans we need to be patient. Let's be realistic though. He had a free pass for half a season last time. He won't get another free pass for another half season, especially when he's losing 3-1 to a league 1 team that has had no investment. We should be wiping the floor with them. Believe me, I want him to succeed. I like him. But I can guarantee you now. He's going to fail. It is as clear as day to anyone that he's fucked that transfer window and he's not addressed the problems in midfield or our lack of pace and power. The latter is why we lose to teams who are far inferior technically. He's messed it up and you can see all the way down the line how it ends for him. The results are not going to magically transform because you don't get wins in this league putting teams out like that. He WILL fail. He will probably be gone quite soon. I like him. I wished he'd got the right sort of player in this summer. But he hasn't, and he doesn't have the players to turn this around. It is a question of when he will go not if. Its really sad because I love his attitude and enthusiasm. But he's not a manager for this level And just to clarify, I backed him to the hilt last season. It is the players he's brought in this summer that has made me realise he's not going to succeed here. The first two results were so predictable on the back of those signings.
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 12:39:15 GMT
Knicker whetting all round already. We still haven't shifted all of the deadwood, and Im inclined to include Butland in that. When Etebo returns, we will be better, as he will make more runs from the midfield. Losing Shawcross is a blow, and Collins/Lindsey/Vickers are going to have to step up quick to plug these gaps. Thought Lindsey played well yesterday, but he needs to adapt to a new team and a step up in quality, which will only happen with playing games. Now is the the time to start judging Jones, but not over 2 games, he needs at least half season with "his" players. If we sack him now, we will have another new manager with another set of ideas, wanting another squad overall, we need to take stock and stabilise for a while, then I'm sure we will see change, AND try and get this apparent hex off our backs. As for yesterday, Jack gifts them a goal (again!) other than that it was a huge improvement, and Id struggle to single out any one player. The fight and desire is there, we were literally inches away from giving Charlton a pasting, it will come, but as fans we need to be patient. Let's be realistic though. He had a free pass for half a season last time. He won't get another free pass for another half season, especially when he's losing 3-1 to a league 1 team that has had no investment. We should be wiping the floor with them. Believe me, I want him to succeed. I like him. But I can guarantee you now. He's going to fail. It is as clear as day to anyone that he's fucked that transfer window and he's not addressed the problems in midfield or our lack of pace and power. The latter is why we lose to teams who are far inferior technically. He's messed it up and you can see all the way down the line how it ends for him. The results are not going to magically transform because you don't get wins in this league putting teams out like that. He WILL fail. He will probably be gone quite soon. I like him. I wished he'd got the right sort of player in this summer. But he hasn't, and he doesn't have the players to turn this around. It is a question of when he will go not if. Its really sad because I love his attitude and enthusiasm. But he's not a manager for this level And just to clarify, I backed him to the hilt last season. It is the players he's brought in this summer that has made me realise he's not going to succeed here. The first two results were so predictable on the back of those signings. I fear you’re right, despite his enthusiasm and passion there’s just something unconvincing about Jones, it’s safe to say he’s definitely lacking in the tactical department and hasn’t really shown much to suggest he’s learning anything, he keeps sticking with a system that is ill suited to the players he has and its getting exposed. I’ve never really had a moment where I’ve thought “wow this guy knows what he’s doing” happy to be proven bang wrong but the players he’s signed seem pretty average as well. Even with a set of players that weren’t his signings last season you’d think he would have amassed a better win % if he had anything about him as a manger at this level.
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 14:01:35 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 11, 2019 14:01:35 GMT
What was Rowetts ? I think Kamara was only in charge for about 13 games ? Think this was the record when he left... 14th Stoke City 26 8 11 7 30:31 -1 35 Close to 30% win ratio, hardly devastating is it? Character aside, it wasn't that bad? We just weren't going for promotion. Now we look certain for relegation (on form)
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 11, 2019 14:08:00 GMT
I disagree. Pulis did his job right away, he kept us in the league. The goal never was publicly to get promotion, it kind of just happened and we were all surprised. Yes it took 2 seasons to get us up but seriously, it was still a surprise and with a shoe string. He made us hard to beat, we really aren't hard to beat at all now are we? A shoestring? Do people get off making this shit up? You have clearly forgotten about guys first tenure? I would consider his diversion of relegation to be a fantastic success with the players at hand. How many seasons after did we start to challenge for the playoffs? On his second tenure his impact was instant and we finished 8th, we did not have a massive budget. We signed shawx for 1m etc and heavily relied on loans. Short memories? I consider it quite a shoe string. See budgets etc session 2002-2008.
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Aug 11, 2019 14:34:10 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 11, 2019 14:34:10 GMT
We had a high expenditure in the promotion season under Pulis of over £6 Million. That was hardly shoestring
A. For the time B. For a team like Stoke City
We were hardly scraping for cash. We spent a huge amount on Shola's loan fee alone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 14:47:41 GMT
We are only four points off the play-offs and six points off automatic promotion places.
What's all the fuss about?
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 14:48:58 GMT
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 11, 2019 14:48:58 GMT
We are only four points off the play-offs and six points off automatic promotion places. What's all the fuss about? come back on September 1st
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 11, 2019 15:11:07 GMT
A shoestring? Do people get off making this shit up? You have clearly forgotten about guys first tenure? I would consider his diversion of relegation to be a fantastic success with the players at hand. How many seasons after did we start to challenge for the playoffs? On his second tenure his impact was instant and we finished 8th, we did not have a massive budget. We signed shawx for 1m etc and heavily relied on loans. Short memories? I consider it quite a shoe string. See budgets etc session 2002-2008. He signed 36 footballers to keep us up in his first spell. Are loans free then?
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 15:13:10 GMT
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 11, 2019 15:13:10 GMT
Knicker whetting all round already. We still haven't shifted all of the deadwood, and Im inclined to include Butland in that. When Etebo returns, we will be better, as he will make more runs from the midfield. Losing Shawcross is a blow, and Collins/Lindsey/Vickers are going to have to step up quick to plug these gaps. Thought Lindsey played well yesterday, but he needs to adapt to a new team and a step up in quality, which will only happen with playing games. Now is the the time to start judging Jones, but not over 2 games, he needs at least half season with "his" players. If we sack him now, we will have another new manager with another set of ideas, wanting another squad overall, we need to take stock and stabilise for a while, then I'm sure we will see change, AND try and get this apparent hex off our backs. As for yesterday, Jack gifts them a goal (again!) other than that it was a huge improvement, and Id struggle to single out any one player. The fight and desire is there, we were literally inches away from giving Charlton a pasting, it will come, but as fans we need to be patient. It just wasn't just Jack's fault for that first goal at all can you please explain to me why only batth was passively engaging Taylor and Smith just turned his back to the shot and did not attempt to close the player or the shot down?? There was no fight or desire in that defence to stop those 3 goals that were so easily avoidable even NJ admitted its far too easy to score against us! Get your head out of the sand! It was amateurish defending at best!
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2019 15:14:47 GMT
We had a high expenditure in the promotion season under Pulis of over £6 Million. That was hardly shoestring A. For the time B. For a team like Stoke City We were hardly scraping for cash. We spent a huge amount on Shola's loan fee alone. 1/2 a mill wasn't it
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Jones out
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 11, 2019 15:25:27 GMT
I said the same thing and was shit binned within a day . Are admin on holiday or are they waking up?
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 11, 2019 16:04:43 GMT
We had a high expenditure in the promotion season under Pulis of over £6 Million. That was hardly shoestring A. For the time B. For a team like Stoke City We were hardly scraping for cash. We spent a huge amount on Shola's loan fee alone. 1/2 a mill wasn't it I've got it down as 6.2 Mil Cort, Shawcross, Cresswell, Pugh, Whelan, Griffin, Parkin, Phillips and De Laet all with perm fees. Loans for Nash, Craddock, Ameobi, Fulop, Gallagher, Bothroyd, Wright, Riggott, Pearson. Shawcross and Pugh on initial loans. Probably closer to 8 million when you take Ameobi's loan fee in to account. Cort was £1.62 Mil and Shawcross 1.35 Mil alone. It ranges from £135k to 1.62 Mil per permanent signing adding up to the 6.2.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 11, 2019 16:11:29 GMT
Weren't we the 4th highest net spenders at one time in the Premier League under Pulis?
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2019 16:12:53 GMT
I've got it down as 6.2 Mil Cort, Shawcross, Cresswell, Pugh, Whelan, Griffin, Parkin, Phillips and De Laet all with perm fees. Loans for Nash, Craddock, Ameobi, Fulop, Gallagher, Bothroyd, Wright, Riggott, Pearson. Shawcross and Pugh on initial loans. Probably closer to 8 million when you take Ameobi's loan fee in to account. Cort was £1.62 Mil and Shawcross 1.35 Mil alone. It ranges from £135k to 1.62 Mil per permanent signing adding up to the 6.2. No mate I mean shoalas fee
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2019 16:18:31 GMT
Ameobi was 575k And Stephen Pearson (who?) was 500k.
Ameobi wavering over Stoke move May 7 2008 by Alan Oliver, Evening Chronicle
KEVIN KEEGAN could have £4m wiped off his summer transfer plans with Shola Ameobi wavering over his move to Stoke City.
The United hierarchy of Tony Jimenez and Dennis Wise appeared to have a great deal for the club by clawing in £575,000 for Ameobi’s loan spell at the Britannia Stadium.
And once Stoke gained promotion, which they duly did at the weekend, the plan was for Ameobi to make a permanent move to the Potteries with £4m making its way into the United coffers.
But the word from the Midlands today was that Ameobi is missing his native Tyneside and is not 100% certain that he wants to leave St James’s Park.
And if Ameobi pulls out at the last minute he will be on his way back home and will be a Newcastle player at the start of next season.
Stoke manager Tony Pulis could try and persuade Ameobi to give it a go and he has offered him a lucrative financial £1m-a-year contract.
But on the other hand, Pulis has always struck me as a straight-talking kind of a guy and he could well think that it is pointless signing a player who is uncertain about joining his club.
Ameobi got off to a flyer with Stoke, but he was injured at Coventry City and after that he did not start a game for Pulis.
And he really became just a bit-part player as he watched Stoke’s promotion from the substitutes bench.
PEARSON DEAL TO BOOST WAR CHEST March 29th
Stephen Pearson's move to Stoke City could eventually net Derby County £2.5m.
The Scottish international's on-off loan deal was finally completed yesterday morning after a confusing delay.
Derby will receive a loan fee of around £500,000 and any permanent transfer would cost Stoke a further £1.5m plus add ons.
Such a deal would give Derby a hefty profit on Pearson, who arrived from Celtic for £750,000 14 months ago.
The decision to allow the 25-year-old to go out on loan is another clear indication of Paul Jewell's intention to shake up the Rams squad this summer for a serious challenge on the Championship.
Pearson (pictured) is one of nine players currently out on loan and six are with Championship clubs.
"Any money we can save now will go towards helping us come straight back up. It's not going to be hidden away to pay bills, it's going to be used as a springboard to try to get back into the Premier League," Jewell said.
"I gave Stephen the option. I asked him about the move and he wanted to speak to Stoke. It's a good move for Stephen and it's a very good move for us financially.
"There's a transfer fee agreed between the two clubs. If they take him, it's going to rise up to £2.5m.
"Even if Stephen comes back, which he could well do, we have quite a considerable amount of money with the loan fee and the wages we will have saved on him. That money will go back in to strengthening our squad next season.
"The deal is almost a no-loser for us. If we had any chance of staying up, Stephen Pearson wouldn't have gone out on loan."
Pearson was Derby's Wembley hero last May when he hit the winning goal in the play-off final victory over West Bromwich Albion to book a place in the Premier League.
He has also been a regular in the side this season.
But Jewell has defended his decision to let the player join Stoke.
"Stephen's a decent player but I have to make these decisions for the long-term benefit of the club," he said.
"Whoever I sold, you are never going to satisfy everybody. Somebody is always going to be unhappy."
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Jones out
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2019 16:21:10 GMT
Out wage bill when we went up was something like 106% of the turnover. Which is nuts.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 11, 2019 16:22:46 GMT
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