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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 8:09:57 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 11, 2019 8:09:57 GMT
Stendel was who I wanted when we went for Jones but still an unproven commodity. It’ll be Hughton if it happens, which personally would bore the arse off me. Hopefully we’re going to give Jones until the start of November at the absolute earliest. He needs 2 full seasons, completely different situations, but it took pulis that long to get it right I disagree. Pulis did his job right away, he kept us in the league. The goal never was publicly to get promotion, it kind of just happened and we were all surprised. Yes it took 2 seasons to get us up but seriously, it was still a surprise and with a shoe string. He made us hard to beat, we really aren't hard to beat at all now are we?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2019 8:13:25 GMT
He needs 2 full seasons, completely different situations, but it took pulis that long to get it right I disagree. Pulis did his job right away, he kept us in the league. The goal never was publicly to get promotion, it kind of just happened and we were all surprised. Yes it took 2 seasons to get us up but seriously, it was still a surprise and with a shoe string. He made us hard to beat, we really aren't hard to beat at all now are we? It wasn’t with a shoestring, we had one of the biggest budgets in the league at that time.
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 11, 2019 8:17:41 GMT
It now looks like Rowett was doing a good job!! 🤦🏼♂️
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 8:20:05 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 11, 2019 8:20:05 GMT
I disagree. Pulis did his job right away, he kept us in the league. The goal never was publicly to get promotion, it kind of just happened and we were all surprised. Yes it took 2 seasons to get us up but seriously, it was still a surprise and with a shoe string. He made us hard to beat, we really aren't hard to beat at all now are we? It wasn’t with a shoestring, we had one of the biggest budgets in the league at that time. Comparitivly speaking, our budget now and the results make it pretty unbearable really. You can say some teams in the division spend under 1/10th that we do and their squad a combined value in the tensb of millions, yet our 'lot' week after week turn out the same results and similar errors, same mentality and generally speaking -lack of effort (bar yesterday).
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 11, 2019 8:24:17 GMT
It’s clear now we are in a battle to survive , that’s not caused by Jones it’s caused by years and years of mismanagement leading to relegation and now FFP constraints ( yesterday’s chances fall to Gayle and 25 a season go in our players less than 10 totally changes the game and last week )
Jones is a decent bloke trying to do resolve a toxic mess with a proven bankrupt process and serial failures behind it some of whom have self interest st heart and will happily hang him out as others have been .
The last answe is to hang jones this squad of frees and misfits and veterans is now his and he has to get it midtable if possible 50 points at least , move the horizon and the Journey will seem bearable .
The fundamental changes our at the top , Peter needs tovsteadt the ship , those responsible the process pId need to leave , those family Ned to step back for a while snd a real football man. Needs to be secured round the board table ( I’d even take Pulis ). We are a business in a trajectory of absolute failure , with many other owners we’d be in administration and on -10 points , sadly the new broom has failed but sacking jones will solve nothing as proved with hughes , Lambert snd Rowett .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 8:24:53 GMT
m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/24312853Looking at the Sheff Wednesday odds, and this is the managerial pool we'd be picking from if the axe fell. Looks like Rowett's going to miss out to the caretaker Bullen - so he's free! I tend to agree that Chris Hughton maybe wouldn't take it (although he seems the obvious name) I'm not 100% sure Cowley would either. Alex Neil wouldn't. Pearson? No thanks Garry Monk? Maybe Paul Cook? Not really. Stendel, the Barnsley manager? There's nothing that jumps off the page, and we'd immediately be in another absolute gamble territory with a maybe manager coming into another toxic atmosphere with his own ideas The lack of any obvious name is good news for NJ. But we needs some points in the next 4 games desperately, or the board may have a dilemma. Be careful FM, you're one step short of 'be careful what you wish for' with that! You'll be upsetting the natives!
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 8:29:35 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 11, 2019 8:29:35 GMT
The Luton board is having a laugh about it
Bless me father for I have sinned It has been 8 months since I took the thirty pieces of silver, abandoned my fellow believers and took the name of LTFC in vain..for all these sins and those which I cannot now remember I ask for your forgiveness...
Response: fcuk off Judas, you got yourself into this you greedy cretin. Get your fcuking self out of it...ps the diamond isn't working in that league you slippery, two faced, badge kissing snake. You pissed on you're own, now go sleep in it.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 11, 2019 8:30:41 GMT
There is no ' process ' to his team selection at all. Completely scattergun approach to picking a starting X1.
Afobe whatever your opinion of him, starts opening day, loaned out. New signings lauded by Jones not in the team. He definitely hasn't a clue how to play or who to play. Maybe this two for every position is now a poison chalice. His record is in the Chris Kamara territory, atrocious stats and figures.
However we can't keep firing managers. I've no idea what we can do but the bloke talks the talk and we end up with the same outcome. Maybe it's not Hughes or Rowett or Jones,the club is just in a general malaise and freefall that nobody can stop at the moment.
Been beaten by two of the relegation favourites I expected minimum 4 and probable 6 and be top of the fucking league . Shellshocked
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Aug 11, 2019 8:32:37 GMT
I feel we have to give him time. This team needs to gel. Saw plenty of moments yesterday that made me optimistic.
But more importantly, sack him and the role becomes toxic. No one even half decent would touch us with a bargepole.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 11, 2019 8:39:28 GMT
I feel we have to give him time. This team needs to gel. Saw plenty of moments yesterday that made me optimistic. But more importantly, sack him and the role becomes toxic. No one even half decent would touch us with a bargepole. Plenty of good managers would jump at the job. We are at our lowest ebb. A squad hugely underachieving. Owners who financially back their manager. No shortage of good applicants in my opinion.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2019 8:40:17 GMT
It now looks like Rowett was doing a good job!! 🤦🏼♂️ No it doesn’t.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2019 8:40:53 GMT
It wasn’t with a shoestring, we had one of the biggest budgets in the league at that time. Comparitivly speaking, our budget now and the results make it pretty unbearable really. You can say some teams in the division spend under 1/10th that we do and their squad a combined value in the tensb of millions, yet our 'lot' week after week turn out the same results and similar errors, same mentality and generally speaking -lack of effort (bar yesterday). Nobody’s disputing that, but let’s not rewrite history at the same time eh?
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 8:44:44 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 11, 2019 8:44:44 GMT
I feel we have to give him time. This team needs to gel. Saw plenty of moments yesterday that made me optimistic. But more importantly, sack him and the role becomes toxic. No one even half decent would touch us with a bargepole. Plenty of good managers would jump at the job. We are at our lowest ebb. A squad hugely underachieving. Owners who financially back their manager. No shortage of good applicants in my opinion. Spot on mate, the job may be toxic but there's a lot of managers who would want the job.
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Post by vahl on Aug 11, 2019 8:44:58 GMT
We are on the eve of something special and not many are seeing it.
That much is clear to me.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 11, 2019 8:47:30 GMT
I wonder if, during the interview process, ‘The Diamond’ was even mentioned
The plan to tear up and additional £50m Championship spend and followed by the signings of more dead wood free transfers in pursuit of his own ideology would leave me to believe that it wasn’t
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2019 8:49:49 GMT
I wonder if, during the interview process, ‘The Diamond’ was even mentioned The plan to tear up and additional £50m Championship spend and followed by the signings of more dead wood free transfers in pursuit of his own ideology would leave me to believe that it wasn’t He’s based his whole career around it, so of course it would’ve been. Most managers look to bring their own players in.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 11, 2019 8:51:56 GMT
There is no ' process ' to his team selection at all. Completely scattergun approach to picking a starting X1. Afobe whatever your opinion of him, starts opening day, loaned out. New signings lauded by Jones not in the team. He definitely hasn't a clue how to play or who to play. Maybe this two for every position is now a poison chalice. His record is in the Chris Kamara territory, atrocious stats and figures. However we can't keep firing managers. I've no idea what we can do but the bloke talks the talk and we end up with the same outcome. Maybe it's not Hughes or Rowett or Jones,the club is just in a general malaise and freefall that nobody can stop at the moment. Been beaten by two of the relegation favourites I expected minimum 4 and probable 6 and be top of the fucking league . Shellshocked Massive worry - I would rather have seen him dogmatically stick by his original 11 than make so many changes yesterday in the vain hope it was going to stick By the way - how come he stated that we will only sign players who will be better than what we have at the end of the window yet we end up with 3 players on loan none of which can be regarded as ‘better’
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Post by stokemark on Aug 11, 2019 8:52:38 GMT
I wonder if, during the interview process, ‘The Diamond’ was even mentioned The plan to tear up and additional £50m Championship spend and followed by the signings of more dead wood free transfers in pursuit of his own ideology would leave me to believe that it wasn’t He’s based his whole career around it, so of course it would’ve been. Most managers look to bring their own players in. We are talking about John Coates and Tony Scholes here
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 8:52:56 GMT
I honestly think we have to hold our nerve until at least the 10 game mark.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 11, 2019 8:57:43 GMT
There is no ' process ' to his team selection at all. Completely scattergun approach to picking a starting X1. Afobe whatever your opinion of him, starts opening day, loaned out. New signings lauded by Jones not in the team. He definitely hasn't a clue how to play or who to play. Maybe this two for every position is now a poison chalice. His record is in the Chris Kamara territory, atrocious stats and figures. However we can't keep firing managers. I've no idea what we can do but the bloke talks the talk and we end up with the same outcome. Maybe it's not Hughes or Rowett or Jones,the club is just in a general malaise and freefall that nobody can stop at the moment. Been beaten by two of the relegation favourites I expected minimum 4 and probable 6 and be top of the fucking league . Shellshocked Sadly this is a fairly accurate summary of the situation - although I don’t accept the ‘general malaise / something behind the scenes’ argument put forward by some as the club has done nothing but facilitate various manager’s wishes for a good while. Jones is in unknown territory for him and has been for a good while now and I fear he is starting to thrash around as people do when they simply haven’t a clue what to do anymore. I am hoping that something will click , we get a few breaks and he manages to settle into some system that works but at the moment it looks like he was the proverbial one trick pony and that trick isn’t as good as had been expected.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 8:59:28 GMT
There is no ' process ' to his team selection at all. Completely scattergun approach to picking a starting X1. Afobe whatever your opinion of him, starts opening day, loaned out. New signings lauded by Jones not in the team. He definitely hasn't a clue how to play or who to play. Maybe this two for every position is now a poison chalice. His record is in the Chris Kamara territory, atrocious stats and figures. However we can't keep firing managers. I've no idea what we can do but the bloke talks the talk and we end up with the same outcome. Maybe it's not Hughes or Rowett or Jones,the club is just in a general malaise and freefall that nobody can stop at the moment. Been beaten by two of the relegation favourites I expected minimum 4 and probable 6 and be top of the fucking league . Shellshocked Not quite sure what was ‘scattergun’ about yesterday? Powell injured > Ince starts McClean compassion leave > Ward starts Lindsay banned last week, started yesterday (his own signing) Hogan only brought in on Weds so wasn’t available to us against QPR (his own signing) Cousins and Vokes dropped on merit, both their replacements performing much better than them. Unless you wanted them to play so that we can claim ‘consistency’ is being applied? Fuck that.
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 9:04:41 GMT
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Post by Davef on Aug 11, 2019 9:04:41 GMT
There is no ' process ' to his team selection at all. Completely scattergun approach to picking a starting X1. Afobe whatever your opinion of him, starts opening day, loaned out. New signings lauded by Jones not in the team. He definitely hasn't a clue how to play or who to play. Maybe this two for every position is now a poison chalice. His record is in the Chris Kamara territory, atrocious stats and figures. However we can't keep firing managers. I've no idea what we can do but the bloke talks the talk and we end up with the same outcome. Maybe it's not Hughes or Rowett or Jones,the club is just in a general malaise and freefall that nobody can stop at the moment. Been beaten by two of the relegation favourites I expected minimum 4 and probable 6 and be top of the fucking league . Shellshocked Why can't we keep firing managers? Yeah, it's not a good look and and it reeks of instability, but make no mistake, if Jones's record in his next 23 games is as bad as his first, then we'll probably be on our way to League 1. He just won't get the opportunity to continue down that road will he?
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 9:06:06 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 11, 2019 9:06:06 GMT
There is no ' process ' to his team selection at all. Completely scattergun approach to picking a starting X1. Afobe whatever your opinion of him, starts opening day, loaned out. New signings lauded by Jones not in the team. He definitely hasn't a clue how to play or who to play. Maybe this two for every position is now a poison chalice. His record is in the Chris Kamara territory, atrocious stats and figures. However we can't keep firing managers. I've no idea what we can do but the bloke talks the talk and we end up with the same outcome. Maybe it's not Hughes or Rowett or Jones,the club is just in a general malaise and freefall that nobody can stop at the moment. Been beaten by two of the relegation favourites I expected minimum 4 and probable 6 and be top of the fucking league . Shellshocked Why can't we keep firing managers? Yeah, it's not a good look and and it reeks of instability, but make no mistake, if Jones's record in his next 23 games is as bad as his first, then we'll probably be on our way to League 1. He just won't get the opportunity to continue down that road will he? With that record I think he may fall on his own sword?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2019 9:09:04 GMT
Why can't we keep firing managers? Yeah, it's not a good look and and it reeks of instability, but make no mistake, if Jones's record in his next 23 games is as bad as his first, then we'll probably be on our way to League 1. He just won't get the opportunity to continue down that road will he? With that record I think he may fall on his own sword? With that record he'd probably miss. 😏
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 9:37:39 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 11, 2019 9:37:39 GMT
This lot certainly deserve better
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Post by boothenesque on Aug 11, 2019 9:53:28 GMT
Watford kept firing managers. As did Leicester to some extent and Saints. Perhaps we need to be more ruthless. They get paid big bucks to deliver results, that's it, that's the rile, so if you don't get results then you get someone else who can. The evidence suggests he has had a lot of games and hasn't won many with some defeats bizarrely self-inflicted like yesterday. Should give more time yes but most professionals are set targets and reminded that if they don't achieve the targets then certain consequences are inevitable. He's a nice enough guy yes, nothing personal, he does appear to be trying, is genuinely frustrated but those are the plain and simple rules. Maybe give a target of so many wins by end Oct and if not achieved with no marked change in trajectory then he should be thanked for trying and go for someone else.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 11, 2019 10:12:42 GMT
The diamond is a high risk/high reward formation. Jones is an inexperienced manager at this level. His appointment was a gamble - it could go very right or very wrong. At the moment its not going well but having bought into a gamble it would be cowardice to bail now.
We've tried chopping and changing mangers and it doesn't work - and the idea of bringing back 442 and/or Tony Pulis is too depressing for words. Why not just rename the "Bet365 Stadium" "Jurassic Park" and have done?
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Jones out
Aug 11, 2019 10:19:28 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 11, 2019 10:19:28 GMT
There is no ' process ' to his team selection at all. Completely scattergun approach to picking a starting X1. Afobe whatever your opinion of him, starts opening day, loaned out. New signings lauded by Jones not in the team. He definitely hasn't a clue how to play or who to play. Maybe this two for every position is now a poison chalice. His record is in the Chris Kamara territory, atrocious stats and figures. However we can't keep firing managers. I've no idea what we can do but the bloke talks the talk and we end up with the same outcome. Maybe it's not Hughes or Rowett or Jones,the club is just in a general malaise and freefall that nobody can stop at the moment. Been beaten by two of the relegation favourites I expected minimum 4 and probable 6 and be top of the fucking league . Shellshocked Not quite sure what was ‘scattergun’ about yesterday? Powell injured > Ince starts McClean compassion leave > Ward starts Lindsay banned last week, started yesterday (his own signing) Hogan only brought in on Weds so wasn’t available to us against QPR (his own signing) Cousins and Vokes dropped on merit, both their replacements performing much better than them. Unless you wanted them to play so that we can claim ‘consistency’ is being applied? Fuck that. My opinion is it was mate there's just no consistency in anything he does. Woods literally in from the wilderness. Do I think Cousins freed by QPR is any good ? Based on one game he is dog shit. But let's get this clear these are Jones signings and already it's looking like he doesn't trust or rate them. Again I'd love an explanation of why Woods was blackballed yet suddenly propelled into his team. I'm certainly not suggesting sticking with the same shit every game but there really is no logic to some of his decision making. Take Davies , is he injured ? If so fair enough but he's looking like 3rd choice . Don't get that at all. He's running out of ideas and panicking . If the club didn't keep lying about attendances we will see the fact people are staying away in numbers 24'000 my arse
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 11, 2019 10:27:15 GMT
the idea of bringing back 442 and/or Tony Pulis is too depressing for words. Why not just rename the "Bet365 Stadium" "Jurassic Park" and have done? If either of those ideas got us winning again, frankly I'm all for it. Ideally I don't want Tone back (and I'm a huge fan of his time here) but if that's what it took I'd get behind it. I'd get behind anything right now if it worked, but nothing does. Make no mistake, we are in Sunderland-style trouble here.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 11, 2019 10:28:31 GMT
He needs 2 full seasons, completely different situations, but it took pulis that long to get it right I disagree. Pulis did his job right away, he kept us in the league. The goal never was publicly to get promotion, it kind of just happened and we were all surprised. Yes it took 2 seasons to get us up but seriously, it was still a surprise and with a shoe string. He made us hard to beat, we really aren't hard to beat at all now are we? A shoestring? Do people get off making this shit up?
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