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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 17:04:40 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 10, 2019 17:04:40 GMT
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 17:07:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 17:07:25 GMT
How we lost that match I will never know. I think we have a good squad of players and played really well for the most part. If we keep playing like we did today, we’ll do much better than last season and will have a chance at getting into the playoffs. Keep the faith. So today we conceded 3 but you are saying if we keep playing like that we will make the playoffs? Are you okay?
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 10, 2019 17:08:33 GMT
Should Norwich and Sheff. Utd sacked their managers when they didn't achieve promotion in their first season?
Should Norwich have sacked their manager when he failed to win his first matches last season and took 7 matches, loads of goals conceded, before they won their second match?
Charlton got lucky today, we will on another day.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 10, 2019 17:10:31 GMT
If we're creating chances I'm happy to give him more time. I don't think we created good enough chances last week, QPR had the better ones and we deserved to lose but it sounds like it was an improvement.
The main change we need is still a Director of Football, our transfer strategy really is all over the shop and I don't think it will improve until this position is addressed.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 10, 2019 17:11:03 GMT
Should Norwich and Sheff. Utd sacked their managers when they didn't achieve promotion in their first season? Should Norwich have sacked their manager when he failed to win his first matches last season and took 7 matches, loads of goals conceded, before they won their second match? Charlton got lucky today, we will on another day. The marked difference is that Stoke managers have been afforded massive resources compared to other managers. Jones simply has to deliver results quicker than others. If he fielded a team of youngsters (which he should IMHO but too late now) then he would deserve a lot more slack.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 10, 2019 17:17:13 GMT
Disappointed we lost but seems we played better from most accounts which is encouraging ......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 17:22:52 GMT
I would take a win with 1% possession, 1 shot on target This manager isnt up to the mark Given the players at his disposal we should not be losing two the likes of QPR or Charlton - they will both finish bottom 6 To lose to both is abysmal - lose the next game and he has to go
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Post by skelman on Aug 10, 2019 17:29:17 GMT
For me we’ve got to give him 10 or so games this season and then - in addition to what we saw last season - a valid judgement can be made. Really don’t understand some people who seem to think he is being hard done to - if the bloke has no responsibility why does he get paid such a humongous salary ? I still have a bit of faith it might click though. I said 10 games myself a while ago but if we’ve not got at least a couple of wins and 2 draws in the next 6 games then I can foresee player confidence starting to take a hit again in themselves, the system and Jones. The poor results cannot be allowed to continue much longer or it will be 2 years down the drain before we’ve hardly got going this season. I really hope NJ can move us on and up but I seriously questioned some of his calls last season and today’s substitution of Woods lost us the game. What’s more the players will know that! There were sparks of recovery today but they were not capitalised upon and as so often before, we just couldn’t put 2 decent halves together. The substitution was a game losing decision and will have caused consternation within the club and supporters. The clock is ticking and results are crucial. I think we’re going to find out if Jones can walk the walk as well as being a nice guy relatively quickly. There’s plenty of quality in the club to compete effectively at this level but can Jones mobilise it effectively? I’ve listened to what he’s said and I agree with the general theme. It is now time for action! The jury cannot remain out for too long!
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Post by wuzza on Aug 10, 2019 17:34:30 GMT
For me we’ve got to give him 10 or so games this season and then - in addition to what we saw last season - a valid judgement can be made. Really don’t understand some people who seem to think he is being hard done to - if the bloke has no responsibility why does he get paid such a humongous salary ? I still have a bit of faith it might click though. I said 10 games myself a while ago but if we’ve not got at least a couple of wins and 2 draws in the next 6 games then I can foresee player confidence starting to take a hit again in themselves, the system and Jones. The poor results cannot be allowed to continue much longer or it will be 2 years down the drain before we’ve hardly got going this season. I really hope NJ can move us on and up but I seriously questioned some of his calls last season and today’s substitution of Woods lost us the game. What’s more the players will know that! There were sparks of recovery today but they were not capitalised upon and as so often before, we just couldn’t put 2 decent halves together. The substitution was a game losing decision and will have caused consternation within the club and supporters. The clock is ticking and results are crucial. I think we’re going to find out if Jones can walk the walk as well as being a nice guy relatively quickly. There’s plenty of quality in the club to compete effectively at this level but can Jones mobilise it effectively? I’ve listened to what he’s said and I agree with the general theme. It is now time for action! The jury cannot remain out for too long! Totally agree. One thing I’m clinging to is that his post match interviews have been far better this season than last when he frankly got on my nerves. There is at least an indication that the reality of the situation does not escape him.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 17:38:56 GMT
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Post by femark on Aug 10, 2019 17:38:56 GMT
We’ve been by far the better team and on another day we could have scored 4. But we didn’t. It’s a results based game and they took there chances. Charlton are a very poor side and will finish bottom 6. Won their first 2 games?
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 17:39:00 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 10, 2019 17:39:00 GMT
Should Norwich and Sheff. Utd sacked their managers when they didn't achieve promotion in their first season? Should Norwich have sacked their manager when he failed to win his first matches last season and took 7 matches, loads of goals conceded, before they won their second match? Charlton got lucky today, we will on another day. When was the last time we got lucky enough to score 3 goals like charlton did today?
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 10, 2019 17:41:17 GMT
There's nowhere else to go now with managers. It's either another promising lower league NJ type, or giving a chance to an older, experienced out of work chap like Lambert. Can't afford a big name anymore and they don't come to struggling Championship clubs anyway?
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Post by skelman on Aug 10, 2019 17:44:38 GMT
I said 10 games myself a while ago but if we’ve not got at least a couple of wins and 2 draws in the next 6 games then I can foresee player confidence starting to take a hit again in themselves, the system and Jones. The poor results cannot be allowed to continue much longer or it will be 2 years down the drain before we’ve hardly got going this season. I really hope NJ can move us on and up but I seriously questioned some of his calls last season and today’s substitution of Woods lost us the game. What’s more the players will know that! There were sparks of recovery today but they were not capitalised upon and as so often before, we just couldn’t put 2 decent halves together. The substitution was a game losing decision and will have caused consternation within the club and supporters. The clock is ticking and results are crucial. I think we’re going to find out if Jones can walk the walk as well as being a nice guy relatively quickly. There’s plenty of quality in the club to compete effectively at this level but can Jones mobilise it effectively? I’ve listened to what he’s said and I agree with the general theme. It is now time for action! The jury cannot remain out for too long! Totally agree. One thing I’m clinging to is that his post match interviews have been far better this season than last when he frankly got on my nerves. There is at least an indication that the reality of the situation does not escape him. Got to say mate NJ sounded frustrated, exasperated and depressed. And there’s lots of us who have known those feelings well for the best part of 2 years now.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 10, 2019 17:46:19 GMT
Coates can not allow this to drag on like he did with Hughes he has got to act much sooner we are clearly in big trouble & heading for league 1 Jones is not going to turn this around no matter how long you give him. The people who say we played much better today & there were signs of things coming good are just deluding themselves & sticking there heads in the sand. Jones is a busted flush & has to be put out of his misery sooner rather than later.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 10, 2019 17:53:38 GMT
Today was a much improved performance over last week, I think that much is for certain. We attacked better, we made better chances, hit the woodwork twice and scored a good goal.
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We cannot keep turning off defensively like we do at the minute. Because it's going to murder us. This exact same thing happened with Rowett's first game plan. We have to be better at marking, we have to work on corners better and we have to cut these stupid mistakes out of the team. Ince was great today, but my man of choice is Gregory. It's like having Walters back. He presses, breathing down the oppositions neck and wants the ball. I like him a lot, he could become a main man this season.
Joe Allen in DM was a nightmare come true. The substitution was bizarre to say the least. Really should have been Allen out of him and Woods if you're taking one off. Woods was doing fine in DM, then Allen moves into the position in an attempt to throw on more attack, and we turn to pot (not just cause of him though). Even before the switch he didn't know what his position was because I've said it a gajillion times, he is a poor footballer. He does not have a footballers brain.
The point is though that we lost again. 3-1 against that shower of utter shit. It's alright playing well, but if we lose at the end of it then what's the point exactly? I'd still go 4231 BUT the diamond did look better today, thanks to better team selection. I said Jones will probably get 5/6 games with bad results for some of our fans at the start of the season before the fans get antsy. Well we're 2 in so far with 2 bad results. Another 3/4 of this and it's not going to be pretty. At the same time, if it is going absolutely tits up, we better not delay on a decision, because if we're 10 games in and still wank, we should be ringing the sounders for a Mr Hughton.
However, to call Jones Out now, is silly. At an absolute bare minimum I think Coates will give him till December dependent on results. Fan pressure though if things get rough could easily push that to an October sort of time. Stoke do not want another repeat of Rowett. It's bad for the team and it's costly. I know it's hard to support the lads right now, but we absolutely have to. Desperate for Jones to succeed, I really fucking am. I hate seeing the club in the state it's in right now. We're just all tired of the shit we've been watching for 3 years under 4 managers currently. We're going to be a do not touch zone for managers soon if we're not careful.
Come on Stoke
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 17:54:26 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Aug 10, 2019 17:54:26 GMT
We may improve a bit, but promotion it won't be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 17:56:33 GMT
I don’t really mind what we change, but I want to just win a fucking game. Just win one, and maybe even score a few goals.
This is absolute bollocks at the moment. Losing all the fucking time.
Just win a fucking game.
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Post by serpico on Aug 10, 2019 17:56:40 GMT
Coates can not allow this to drag on like he did with Hughes he has got to act much sooner we are clearly in big trouble & heading for league 1 Jones is not going to turn this around no matter how long you give him. The people who say we played much better today & there were signs of things coming good are just deluding themselves & sticking there heads in the sand. Jones is a busted flush & has to be put out of his misery sooner rather than later. in hindsight I wish Coates had let Hughes continue to the end of the season, He can’t have done much worse than lambert did.
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Post by george2again on Aug 10, 2019 17:57:31 GMT
The sooner he goes the better. His interview after the match with his constant hunching of shoulders wreaks of a man who is completlylost and out of his depth. This is not two games its 23 and although we perfomed better its about the ability to win games not performances. It must now be in the back of the owners minds about looking for a new manager, if we don't win in the next three it should be the middle of thier mind and after that action needs to be taken. This is dreadful form.
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Post by george2again on Aug 10, 2019 17:59:12 GMT
Lambert was appoinmrnet that put a nail in our coffin. The last 3 managerial appointments have been a disaster. We need a stromg experienced head next who takes no prisoners. Not TP.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 10, 2019 17:59:40 GMT
Coates can not allow this to drag on like he did with Hughes he has got to act much sooner we are clearly in big trouble & heading for league 1 Jones is not going to turn this around no matter how long you give him. The people who say we played much better today & there were signs of things coming good are just deluding themselves & sticking there heads in the sand. Jones is a busted flush & has to be put out of his misery sooner rather than later. in hindsight I wish Coates had let Hughes continue to the end of the season, He can’t have done much worse than lambert did. Yes in hindsight you are probably right.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 10, 2019 18:00:24 GMT
Totally agree. One thing I’m clinging to is that his post match interviews have been far better this season than last when he frankly got on my nerves. There is at least an indication that the reality of the situation does not escape him. Got to say mate NJ sounded frustrated, exasperated and depressed. And there’s lots of us who have known those feelings well for the best part of 2 years now. Like I say - ‘reality’ 🙂 But to solve a problem you first have to acknowledge it and at least he’s made that step .
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 18:04:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 18:04:26 GMT
We missed good chances today that should have seen us win comfortably. Jones has made plenty of mistakes from his short time here and continues to do so but I'm convinced he will turn this around soon even if I'm not convinced that Jones is the man for the job long term
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 18:07:52 GMT
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Post by jebbstuart on Aug 10, 2019 18:07:52 GMT
Other than scoring 1 goal gregory blazing over. Where were the good chances??
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 18:10:45 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 10, 2019 18:10:45 GMT
If we keep losing he will end up sacking himself....hope we can change it!
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 10, 2019 18:10:55 GMT
Should Norwich and Sheff. Utd sacked their managers when they didn't achieve promotion in their first season? Should Norwich have sacked their manager when he failed to win his first matches last season and took 7 matches, loads of goals conceded, before they won their second match? Charlton got lucky today, we will on another day. When was the last time we got lucky enough to score 3 goals like charlton did today? Fucking good point.. can't keep blaming luck when we've been so bad for so long. Managers and directors need to take personal responsibility at some point.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 10, 2019 18:13:15 GMT
I'd give it John Terry
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 10, 2019 18:15:07 GMT
In response to the thread title I think, personally, that he should be given another few games although the form we've exhibited since he arrived simply cannot be allowed to last too long.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 18:36:13 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2019 18:36:13 GMT
He'll be waiting for the Chelsea job next summer
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 18:37:12 GMT
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Post by stokefan1972 on Aug 10, 2019 18:37:12 GMT
When was the last time we got lucky enough to score 3 goals like charlton did today? Fucking good point.. can't keep blaming luck when we've been so bad for so long. Managers and directors need to take personal responsibility at some point. we didn't get a point today
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