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Post by stokedinohio on Aug 10, 2019 16:19:37 GMT
The fish rots from the head. Changing managers has been a futile endeavor the past 3 seasons. I’m afraid the club needs an overhaul at the top and a change in philosophy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:20:11 GMT
Robbed. We've let them score three. How have we been robbed. HIS two forwards missed two sitters...there forwards didn't. Robbed my arse Because we were the better side and would've been 3 up but for the woodwork and, yes, some shite finishing. Anyone watching that game cant argue we were better than them for most of the game. It's just more fucking rotten luck. It's nowt to do with luck. It's systematic of Stoke. It's systematic of Jones. We were promised freshness and he's delivered a stale, eggy, wet fart and shows zero signs of changing that to the fresh scent of a summer meadow.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 10, 2019 16:21:48 GMT
Obviously you didn’t watch the game Or understand football Please enlighten me, I thought it was about winning, given it's a sport. Not about continually playing dire football against poor opposition. I assume your a stats lover. Or you don't understand football. No I understand it and today’s performance was the best under jones And shows massive improvement So you didn’t watch it then ? 😂😂
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:24:37 GMT
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 10, 2019 16:24:37 GMT
Because we were the better side and would've been 3 up but for the woodwork and, yes, some shite finishing. Anyone watching that game cant argue we were better than them for most of the game. It's just more fucking rotten luck. The woodwork 😂 yes that's right, blame an inanimate object. I'm not quite sure what the woodwork was doing when there players managed to score 3!!!! Oh yes, that's right, they kept it under head height and showed some composure!! What the fuck are you talking about? Are you actually suggesting I'm saying the post and crossbar are to blame? I said afterwards some shite finishing. Take your immature bollocks elsewhere.
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Post by TheProletarian on Aug 10, 2019 16:27:55 GMT
I see where you’re coming from but let’s give him a little more time. At the same time, let’s keep Chris Hughton on speed dial
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:28:03 GMT
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Post by steewee on Aug 10, 2019 16:28:03 GMT
The woodwork 😂 yes that's right, blame an inanimate object. I'm not quite sure what the woodwork was doing when there players managed to score 3!!!! Oh yes, that's right, they kept it under head height and showed some composure!! What the fuck are you talking about? Are you actually suggesting I'm saying the post and crossbar are to blame? I said afterwards some shite finishing. Take your immature bollocks elsewhere. Wait there dazzercd. Read what you said... "if it wasn't for the woodwork". That's indicates you think it was the Woodworks fault 😂😂😂 (or your grasp of the English language is poor)
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Post by TheProletarian on Aug 10, 2019 16:29:47 GMT
Those saying he’s mental don’t seem to realise it’s not ‘sack jones after 2 games’, it’s ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’
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Post by skelman on Aug 10, 2019 16:30:37 GMT
Think I would probably be talking with and taking soundings from Chris Hughton right now! It’s not time yet to change but I am seeing naivety in Jones management and those results cannot be allowed to drift for much longer!
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Post by hooftastic on Aug 10, 2019 16:35:45 GMT
Those saying he’s mental don’t seem to realise it’s not ‘sack jones after 2 games’, it’s ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’ Those saying ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’ don't seem to realise it's only two games when he's had a transfer window to actually try to impact the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:36:40 GMT
Those saying he’s mental don’t seem to realise it’s not ‘sack jones after 2 games’, it’s ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’ Those saying ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’ don't seem to realise it's only two games when he's had a transfer window to actually try to impact the squad. In which it is clear he has failed to procure the players to play this diamond. He dropped two players he’d bought as well today (Cousins and Vokes).
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 10, 2019 16:39:09 GMT
He used 7 players today who he didn't sign.
He has signed since January 12 players.
This does, maybe, just maybe, indicate the he hasn't got a clue what he is doing?
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:40:38 GMT
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Aug 10, 2019 16:40:38 GMT
He used 7 players today who he didn't sign. He has signed since January 12 players. This does, maybe, just maybe, indicate the he hasn't got a clue what he is doing? But if he’d started with the team he did last week, you still wouldn’t of been happy.
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Post by hooftastic on Aug 10, 2019 16:40:52 GMT
Those saying ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’ don't seem to realise it's only two games when he's had a transfer window to actually try to impact the squad. In which it is clear he has failed to procure the players to play this diamond. He dropped two players he’d bought as well today (Cousins and Vokes). Two games. We played our best today with the diamond. Jones was at fault today, and we did lose because of him but it was all about the first sub and nothing to do with the system. Still don't think we should sack him though, I don't believe there is a better manager our there that's available.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 10, 2019 16:43:15 GMT
Think I would probably be talking with and taking soundings from Chris Hughton right now! It’s not time yet to change but I am seeing naivety in Jones management and those results cannot be allowed to drift for much longer! If Chris Houghton is willing to come then we should welcome him.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 10, 2019 16:43:31 GMT
For me we’ve got to give him 10 or so games this season and then - in addition to what we saw last season - a valid judgement can be made.
Really don’t understand some people who seem to think he is being hard done to - if the bloke has no responsibility why does he get paid such a humongous salary ?
I still have a bit of faith it might click though.
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Post by march4 on Aug 10, 2019 16:44:49 GMT
Time for him to go.
His baffling substitutions cost us at least a point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:46:12 GMT
In which it is clear he has failed to procure the players to play this diamond. He dropped two players he’d bought as well today (Cousins and Vokes). Two games. We played our best today with the diamond. Jones was at fault today, and we did lose because of him but it was all about the first sub and nothing to do with the system. Still don't think we should sack him though, I don't believe there is a better manager our there that's available. Hughton? We didn’t create enough in the first half. Our goal was from a hoof. The system is too slow with our players. Even the chances we had Charlton had enough bodies back to deal with most of them. The system doesn’t allow for Ince, Powell and Duffy to play without unbalancing the team. It’s the wrong team for our players. We were unlucky today but I still don’t think we’ve seen any evidence that NJ will make a success of this.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:46:45 GMT
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Post by march4 on Aug 10, 2019 16:46:45 GMT
Think I would probably be talking with and taking soundings from Chris Hughton right now! It’s not time yet to change but I am seeing naivety in Jones management and those results cannot be allowed to drift for much longer! If Chris Houghton is willing to come then we should welcome him. Obviously I would prefer TP but I would go for Hughton as an alternative.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 10, 2019 16:46:49 GMT
Honest post match interview
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:47:23 GMT
We all talk 3 wins in 23 matches.... how about 23 wins in our last 104 league and cup matches..... That's a win every 4.5 matches....
This goes a long way back.
I haven't seen the game, so I cannot comment. But is there a win coming from the next few fixtures?
These are dark days
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Aug 10, 2019 16:47:40 GMT
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 10, 2019 16:47:40 GMT
No excuses. He had the players and possession and ruined his own game plan. Any manager that moves Allen to DM to move Duffy forward deserves what comes of it in my opinion.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:47:53 GMT
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Post by TheProletarian on Aug 10, 2019 16:47:53 GMT
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you actually suggesting I'm saying the post and crossbar are to blame? I said afterwards some shite finishing. Take your immature bollocks elsewhere. Wait there dazzercd. Read what you said... "if it wasn't for the woodwork". That's indicates you think it was the Woodworks fault 😂😂😂 (or your grasp of the English language is poor) I’ve never seen someone say so much shit so enthusiastically
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Aug 10, 2019 16:49:24 GMT
Can’t keep losing like this. Just heard him on Radio Joke and he doesn’t inspire confidence does he? Come on Nathan we are giving you every chance to turn the good ship round but patience is not an endless commodity. Can’t defend you forever leave League 1 behind please we don’t want to go there.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:49:47 GMT
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Post by TheProletarian on Aug 10, 2019 16:49:47 GMT
Those saying he’s mental don’t seem to realise it’s not ‘sack jones after 2 games’, it’s ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’ Those saying ‘sack jones after 23 games with only 3 wins’ don't seem to realise it's only two games when he's had a transfer window to actually try to impact the squad. He has a worse record than rowett and rowett was a massive twat (Nathan Jones 0.87ppg, or 40 points in a season)
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:50:09 GMT
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 10, 2019 16:50:09 GMT
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you actually suggesting I'm saying the post and crossbar are to blame? I said afterwards some shite finishing. Take your immature bollocks elsewhere. Wait there dazzercd. Read what you said... "if it wasn't for the woodwork". That's indicates you think it was the Woodworks fault 😂😂😂 (or your grasp of the English language is poor) It's a common football cliche used in the 'English language' for decades steewee. I'm sure you're a regular scholar though so you already knew this.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:51:47 GMT
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 10, 2019 16:51:47 GMT
On paper a diamond looks narrow
You look more likely to be caught out on the counter attack and more likely to be got at down the sides, than under 3-5-2 or standard 4-4-2, on paper.
If on match day, this wasn't the case and results were good then who cares
But match day, seems to work out, how you would expect on paper.
I am really struggling to believe Nj is a misunderstood genius and we just need to keep the faith.
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Post by premiershipteamfor10years on Aug 10, 2019 16:52:41 GMT
How we lost that match I will never know.
I think we have a good squad of players and played really well for the most part.
If we keep playing like we did today, we’ll do much better than last season and will have a chance at getting into the playoffs.
Keep the faith.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 10, 2019 16:53:29 GMT
Honest post match interview Agreed - wether he has an answer to the problems he articulated though will govern his and the team’s future.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 16:56:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:56:59 GMT
He used 7 players today who he didn't sign. He has signed since January 12 players. This does, maybe, just maybe, indicate the he hasn't got a clue what he is doing? But if he’d started with the team he did last week, you still wouldn’t of been happy. Which just reiterates his original point.
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Jones out
Aug 10, 2019 17:03:38 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Aug 10, 2019 17:03:38 GMT
Jones buggered it up by taking Woods off and putting Allen in the holding role, but overall we did look better than last week- Jones will be here to at least Christmas by which time we will either have made significant headway, or we will be past saving anyway. The two “name” players (Butland and Allen) need to be left out for some games because one is making elementary mistakes and the other just disrupts any sign of a shape that we have.
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