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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:34:29 GMT
That's lovely John but he wasn't a line leader at Wolves and he isn't at Bristol. Well done for avoiding th excellent point that Rob was making! FFS! Haven't seen one of your That's Lovely posts in a while! This re writing of history is proper pissing me off. Rowett had millions to spend and he blew it. It's not a shock as he has never achieved anything in his career, but that's another point entirely that only the family and the weasel can answer.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 21:46:18 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 24, 2019 21:46:18 GMT
But we fans demanded wholesale changes. True, people on here were clambering for the 352 and he more or less played it (Duffy probably slight behind the front man) and it didn’t work, in fact it backfired spectacularly as we has precisely 1 shot in 70 odd minutes. He’d have been better playing the exact same side/formation he picked for the derby game. Imo he should go to a traditional 442 now (if he’s still in a job) I wouldn’t say it backfired as such. Our amount of shots on Tuesday with Jones’ favourite formation wasn’t much better.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2019 21:46:44 GMT
The "players' mentality needing to change" comment by Jones today was frightening too. He's just bought 11 players where it was evident that they lacked technical skills, but at least, we thought, they were 'triers', scrappers. Never say die and all that bollocks. Five games in and the mentality is a problem? Jeez.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Aug 24, 2019 22:08:37 GMT
I don’t know why people are surprised at our position. If you appoint a third division manager and bring in third division players, where do you expect to end up? Plus, Jones ignored the foreign market, thereby limiting his options.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 24, 2019 22:15:11 GMT
The "players' mentality needing to change" comment by Jones today was frightening too. He's just bought 11 players where it was evident that they lacked technical skills, but at least, we thought, they were 'triers', scrappers. Never say die and all that bollocks. Five games in and the mentality is a problem? Jeez. Has he lost them already, or are they just really crap? Either way, he signed quite a few, so it doesn't look good.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 22:18:22 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 22:18:22 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this
"David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan."
Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:20:16 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this "David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan." Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up. I really hope Nixon is talking out of his arse as usual 🙏 the board need to act soon if this continues otherwise it will turn ugly and they don’t need that to happen. I don’t want to sit through that again like last year. The fans shouldn’t have to do that for them to be able to see what’s right in front of their eyes.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 24, 2019 22:20:33 GMT
Must admit my faith in NJ is fading game by game, and I think it's getting very close to where we need to replace him. When we do I hope we bring in an experienced manager to steady the ship so we avoid relegation. I really can't see now how we can turn this season into a promotion chasing one. I wouldn't even mind seeing TP here for the rest of the season. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I am beginning to think we have to hold our collective nose and bring in the toxic one. At least he could set things up at the back. However I also think he may have burnt too many bridges.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 22:24:03 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 22:24:03 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this "David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan." Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up. I really hope Nixon is talking out of his arse as usual 🙏 the board need to act soon if this continues otherwise it will turn ugly and they don’t need that to happen. I don’t want to sit through that again like last year. The fans shouldn’t have to do that for them to be able to see what’s right in front of their eyes. Well it wouldn't surprise me if the feelers have at least been put out for Moyes. But the last thing the club needs is everything getting ugly with the fans again, just like it did under Hughes. If we go and lose against Leeds in the Cup and then to Brum, you have to look at it as the owner and go 'This three year plan is going downhill fast.'
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Post by Gods on Aug 24, 2019 22:25:47 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this "David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan." Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up. Jones has a 3 year plan? I'd love to see it, a question for the next interview perhaps,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:27:16 GMT
I really hope Nixon is talking out of his arse as usual 🙏 the board need to act soon if this continues otherwise it will turn ugly and they don’t need that to happen. I don’t want to sit through that again like last year. The fans shouldn’t have to do that for them to be able to see what’s right in front of their eyes. Well it wouldn't surprise me if the feelers have at least been put out for Moyes. But the last thing the club needs is everything getting ugly with the fans again, just like it did under Hughes. If we go and lose against Leeds in the Cup and then to Brum, you have to look at it as the owner and go 'This three year plan is going downhill fast.' I don’t want to sing shove your diamond up your arse at him because he seems like a nice man and he’s just out of his depth but I fucking will if I have to.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 22:27:19 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 22:27:19 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this "David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan." Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up. Jones has a 3 year plan? I'd love to see it, a question for the next interview perhaps, You'd assume it was Consolidation, Push on, Promotion. But that doesn't match with all the promotion talk this season.
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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 22:28:09 GMT
He’s got a 3 year plan for promotion, it includes getting relegated to league one and then getting promotion back to the championship.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 22:29:45 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 22:29:45 GMT
Well it wouldn't surprise me if the feelers have at least been put out for Moyes. But the last thing the club needs is everything getting ugly with the fans again, just like it did under Hughes. If we go and lose against Leeds in the Cup and then to Brum, you have to look at it as the owner and go 'This three year plan is going downhill fast.' I don’t want to sing shove your diamond up your arse at him because he seems like a nice man and he’s just out of his depth but I fucking will if I have to. I do really like Jones. He does possess a real genuine belief he can change all these fortunes. But managerially these past 2 games he's been out of his depth. God fucking knows what happened after the Derby match that Preston and Leeds happened.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 24, 2019 22:34:46 GMT
"Mark my words, we will give the Stoke City supporters a team to be proud of."
Diana Ross said it best: I'm just a fool I'm just a fool to keep waiting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:39:12 GMT
Well it wouldn't surprise me if the feelers have at least been put out for Moyes. But the last thing the club needs is everything getting ugly with the fans again, just like it did under Hughes. If we go and lose against Leeds in the Cup and then to Brum, you have to look at it as the owner and go 'This three year plan is going downhill fast.' I don’t want to sing shove your diamond up your arse at him because he seems like a nice man and he’s just out of his depth but I fucking will if I have to. 1974 SCFC v Ajax. The chorus of "You can shove your fucking tulips up your arse" was loud and memorable indeed.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 22:40:33 GMT
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 24, 2019 22:40:33 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this "David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan." Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up. I think he's just merely speculating it's not difficult to know Moyes has a history with Tony Scholes besides Moyes watches Preston on a regular basis doesn't he as he lives in the area??
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 22:43:51 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 24, 2019 22:43:51 GMT
I am desperate for Jones to be a success at this football club, but his record and the last two performances are making it difficult to see how his tenure will be able to continue much longer (unless there is a dramatic upturn in result).
I think that he initially said all the right things (in terms of changing the culture, creating a young athletic team, implementing a clear philosophy and identity etc.) and he seems genuinely desperate to succeed, but, for whatever reason, things just aren't clicking at the moment.
The problem now is that we are between a rock and a hard place. Do we stick with Jones and trust that his long-term plan will eventually come to fruition (but risk things deteriorating further if he can't turn things around?). Or do we sack him, which basically means that we have to start from scratch with a new manager who will want his own backroom team and players?
I would like to think that in a perfect world I would hold tight and give him time, but then again how long can you persist when you sit bottom of the table after publicly stating that the aim was promotion?
God, it's all a little bit of a mess right now!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 24, 2019 22:47:28 GMT
Lambert started at page 1 of the managerial handbook - ‘shore up defence and make team hard to beat’. NJ has dived straight into the appendices section at the back of the book and not even glanced at the rest. We're like a boxer who throws wild, mistimed punches that occasionally land but do no damage, feet rooted to the spot with no guard, no defence - just waiting to receive the knockout blow which our opponents duly deliver No contest Excellent analogy.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 22:58:14 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 24, 2019 22:58:14 GMT
What day will we part ways with him? Presumably Monday morning we will get the announcement or could it be after Scholes has had his Sunday lunch tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 23:00:11 GMT
What day will we part ways with him? Presumably Monday morning we will get the announcement or could it be after Scholes has had his Sunday lunch tomorrow afternoon. Bank Holiday on Monday. If there is any justice in this world at all it will be Tuesday morning.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Aug 24, 2019 23:07:21 GMT
I would get gary monk in now yes not the best choice but I think he would get best out of our players and will play a formation to suit them to.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2019 23:09:52 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this "David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan." Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up. If NJ is still here in three years, the Brit will look like a scene from The Walking Dead.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 23:10:35 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 24, 2019 23:10:35 GMT
Jones out is only one part of what needs to happen. The second is someone who knows what they are doing - and can sort out the team in the short team to at least be respectable, and has the experience to know how to put in place a management structure for the longer term. It might not be pretty, for a good while. Allardyce Moyes Hughton Bruce The third is that there is no further place for Scholes or Coates in decision making. Whatever ill fitting titles they want to bestow themselves with, there is no place for them in any footballing decision. I can see Jones getting the chop (if for no other reason, the heat is turned up on Scholes/Coates) but I have not faith at all in who they'd bring in. Jones has been one of the very worst appointments of any club in living memory. If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions?
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Aug 24, 2019 23:12:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 23:12:56 GMT
Jones out is only one part of what needs to happen. The second is someone who knows what they are doing - and can sort out the team in the short team to at least be respectable, and has the experience to know how to put in place a management structure for the longer term. It might not be pretty, for a good while. Allardyce Moyes Hughton Bruce The third is that there is no further place for Scholes or Coates in decision making. Whatever ill fitting titles they want to bestow themselves with, there is no place for them in any footballing decision. I can see Jones getting the chop (if for no other reason, the heat is turned up on Scholes/Coates) but I have not faith at all in who they'd bring in. Jones has been one of the very worst appointments of any club in living memory. If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions? New owners hopefully.
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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 23:14:58 GMT
Jones out is only one part of what needs to happen. The second is someone who knows what they are doing - and can sort out the team in the short team to at least be respectable, and has the experience to know how to put in place a management structure for the longer term. It might not be pretty, for a good while. Allardyce Moyes Hughton Bruce The third is that there is no further place for Scholes or Coates in decision making. Whatever ill fitting titles they want to bestow themselves with, there is no place for them in any footballing decision. I can see Jones getting the chop (if for no other reason, the heat is turned up on Scholes/Coates) but I have not faith at all in who they'd bring in. Jones has been one of the very worst appointments of any club in living memory. If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions? The kit man ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 24, 2019 23:20:33 GMT
If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions? New owners hopefully. New owners ... seriously? The same owners who have spent £60 million on signings since we've been relegated and have green lighted the biggest salary budget of any team ever in the Championship. Are you mad?
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 23:30:39 GMT
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 24, 2019 23:30:39 GMT
Jones out is only one part of what needs to happen. The second is someone who knows what they are doing - and can sort out the team in the short team to at least be respectable, and has the experience to know how to put in place a management structure for the longer term. It might not be pretty, for a good while. Allardyce Moyes Hughton Bruce The third is that there is no further place for Scholes or Coates in decision making. Whatever ill fitting titles they want to bestow themselves with, there is no place for them in any footballing decision. I can see Jones getting the chop (if for no other reason, the heat is turned up on Scholes/Coates) but I have not faith at all in who they'd bring in. Jones has been one of the very worst appointments of any club in living memory. If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions? I think he's still got his "phone a friend"
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2019 23:49:16 GMT
If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions? I think he's still got his "phone a friend" Presumably his friend wears a baseball cap.
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Post by pushon on Aug 24, 2019 23:54:59 GMT
He’s got a 3 year plan for promotion, it includes getting relegated to league one and then getting promotion back to the championship. I'm very afraid that you could be right.
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