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Post by pushon on Aug 24, 2019 23:56:49 GMT
Jones out is only one part of what needs to happen. The second is someone who knows what they are doing - and can sort out the team in the short team to at least be respectable, and has the experience to know how to put in place a management structure for the longer term. It might not be pretty, for a good while. Allardyce Moyes Hughton Bruce The third is that there is no further place for Scholes or Coates in decision making. Whatever ill fitting titles they want to bestow themselves with, there is no place for them in any footballing decision. I can see Jones getting the chop (if for no other reason, the heat is turned up on Scholes/Coates) but I have not faith at all in who they'd bring in. Jones has been one of the very worst appointments of any club in living memory. If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions? Bayern Oatcake😮
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2019 0:42:48 GMT
I noticed on the Butland article Alan Nixon published, he mentions this "David Moyes watched them last week and has close links with a senior Stoke official. But the club will stand by Jones’ three-year plan." Clear ref to Moyes having links to Scholes but says we're standing by the 3 year plan. Don't think we will be for very long if he keeps this up. Jones has a 3 year plan? I'd love to see it, a question for the next interview perhaps, It looks like it involves playing Exeter in a league match somewhere down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 6:36:42 GMT
New owners ... seriously? The same owners who have spent £60 million on signings since we've been relegated and have green lighted the biggest salary budget of any team ever in the Championship. Are you mad? No. Contrary to popular belief our owners are fucking useless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 6:47:51 GMT
New owners ... seriously? The same owners who have spent £60 million on signings since we've been relegated and have green lighted the biggest salary budget of any team ever in the Championship. Are you mad? What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off.
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Aug 25, 2019 6:52:47 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 25, 2019 6:52:47 GMT
New owners ... seriously? The same owners who have spent £60 million on signings since we've been relegated and have green lighted the biggest salary budget of any team ever in the Championship. Are you mad? What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. Do you think Jones can sort this out? Honestly?
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Aug 25, 2019 6:54:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 6:54:32 GMT
What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. Do you think Jones can sort this out? Honestly? If he can't then next season we're back in the third tier.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 6:55:59 GMT
Do you think Jones can sort this out? Honestly? If he can't then next season we're back in the third tier. Sacking him is the only hope of that not happening.
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Aug 25, 2019 6:58:06 GMT
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Post by zerps on Aug 25, 2019 6:58:06 GMT
If he can't then next season we're back in the third tier. Sacking him is the only hope of that not happening. I bet you can’t wait to start banging on about sacking Jones’s replacement
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 25, 2019 6:59:05 GMT
Sacking him is the only hope of that not happening. I bet you can’t wait to start banging on about sacking Jones’s replacement Your making yourself look a twat again
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Aug 25, 2019 7:01:31 GMT
New owners ... seriously? The same owners who have spent £60 million on signings since we've been relegated and have green lighted the biggest salary budget of any team ever in the Championship. Are you mad? What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. Excellent post. In any other walk of life those responsible for wasting the money would have been shown the door a long time ago. Really do think we are screwed already this season and League 1 awaits us. Nathan is way way out of his depth most of us know that now without a doubt so let’s just hope after We’ve lost at Brum on Saturday the exit door will be fully opened for him to go. I hope he does the decent thing by resigning
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 7:04:16 GMT
What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. Excellent post. In any other walk of life those responsible for wasting the money would have been shown the door a long time ago. Really do think we are screwed already this season and League 1 awaits us. Nathan is way way out of his depth most of us know that now without a doubt so let’s just hope after We’ve lost at Brum on Saturday the exit door will be fully opened for him to go. I hope he does the decent thing by resigning That's all well and good but the same brains trust will be tasked with replacing him. Hughes, Lambert, Rowett, Jones. Where will they go to next? I have absolutely no faith in them whatsoever.
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Aug 25, 2019 7:04:28 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 7:04:28 GMT
Sacking him is the only hope of that not happening. I bet you can’t wait to start banging on about sacking Jones’s replacement Not at all. Jones is just a useless clown though and that’s pretty easy to see.
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Aug 25, 2019 7:05:17 GMT
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Post by superstoke on Aug 25, 2019 7:05:17 GMT
I know that we can't carry on like this but we have to think about the situation which is since the liverpool cup game it has spiraled for some reason and since then we have lost Hughes, rowett and possibly Jones if this carrys on so where do we go because all these managers aren't all bad, we could go for another manager and be in the same boat we can't keep firing managers like this. Something is happening at this club and I don't know what it is first Scholes has to go, going on holiday whilst this is happening and the loan window still open is a absolute disgrace, sort it out Coates!!!!
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Aug 25, 2019 7:07:27 GMT
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Post by minnierover on Aug 25, 2019 7:07:27 GMT
I know that we can't carry on like this but we have to think about the situation which is since the liverpool cup game it has spiraled for some reason and since then we have lost Hughes, rowett and possibly Jones if this carrys on so where do we go because all these managers aren't all bad, we could go for another manager and be in the same boat we can't keep firing managers like this. Something is happening at this club and I don't know what it is first Scholes has to go, going on holiday whilst this is happening and the loan window still open is a absolute disgrace, sort it out Coates!!!! The loan window is not still open
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Aug 25, 2019 7:09:01 GMT
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Post by superstoke on Aug 25, 2019 7:09:01 GMT
I know that we can't carry on like this but we have to think about the situation which is since the liverpool cup game it has spiraled for some reason and since then we have lost Hughes, rowett and possibly Jones if this carrys on so where do we go because all these managers aren't all bad, we could go for another manager and be in the same boat we can't keep firing managers like this. Something is happening at this club and I don't know what it is first Scholes has to go, going on holiday whilst this is happening and the loan window still open is a absolute disgrace, sort it out Coates!!!! The loan window is not still open OK sorry that is what Mike pejic said on the radio after the game yesterday
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Aug 25, 2019 7:10:06 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 7:10:06 GMT
The loan window is not still open OK sorry that is what Mike pejic said on the radio after the game yesterday Says it all. It’s open to league one and two clubs.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 25, 2019 7:11:03 GMT
I know that we can't carry on like this but we have to think about the situation which is since the liverpool cup game it has spiraled for some reason and since then we have lost Hughes, rowett and possibly Jones if this carrys on so where do we go because all these managers aren't all bad, we could go for another manager and be in the same boat we can't keep firing managers like this. Something is happening at this club and I don't know what it is first Scholes has to go, going on holiday whilst this is happening and the loan window still open is a absolute disgrace, sort it out Coates!!!! The loan window is not still open Did Bristol City sign Ashley Williams because he was a free agent?
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Aug 25, 2019 7:13:04 GMT
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Post by superstoke on Aug 25, 2019 7:13:04 GMT
OK sorry that is what Mike pejic said on the radio after the game yesterday Says it all. It’s open to league one and two clubs. yes I have just checked but if we were to get another manager it probably end up hughton and confirming league one football
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Aug 25, 2019 7:14:18 GMT
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Post by Goonie on Aug 25, 2019 7:14:18 GMT
I think he's still got his "phone a friend" Presumably his friend wears a baseball cap. I think that's 'your' friend March 😁😎👍
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Aug 25, 2019 7:14:19 GMT
I know that we can't carry on like this but we have to think about the situation which is since the liverpool cup game it has spiraled for some reason and since then we have lost Hughes, rowett and possibly Jones if this carrys on so where do we go because all these managers aren't all bad, we could go for another manager and be in the same boat we can't keep firing managers like this. Something is happening at this club and I don't know what it is first Scholes has to go, going on holiday whilst this is happening and the loan window still open is a absolute disgrace, sort it out Coates!!!! Problem is whilst the owners make all the right noises to us re getting back to the Premiership I’m convinced behind closed doors they have no intention whatsoever of doing so. What makes me angry and very sad this morning is that I personally don’t think I will ever see us play in the Premiership again during my lifetime due to this approach. I have no hard facts to back up my statement re the Coates family just a horrible gut feeling that League 1 awaits us next season with owners who couldn’t appear to care anymore.
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Aug 25, 2019 7:14:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 7:14:20 GMT
If he can't then next season we're back in the third tier. Sacking him is the only hope of that not happening. I agree that he has to be sacked but how much confidence has anybody got of our owners replacing him with the right man?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 7:18:13 GMT
Says it all. It’s open to league one and two clubs. yes I have just checked but if we were to get another manager it probably end up hughton and confirming league one football Hughton is a class manager and much better than us as things stand.
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Aug 25, 2019 7:18:21 GMT
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Post by superstoke on Aug 25, 2019 7:18:21 GMT
I know that we can't carry on like this but we have to think about the situation which is since the liverpool cup game it has spiraled for some reason and since then we have lost Hughes, rowett and possibly Jones if this carrys on so where do we go because all these managers aren't all bad, we could go for another manager and be in the same boat we can't keep firing managers like this. Something is happening at this club and I don't know what it is first Scholes has to go, going on holiday whilst this is happening and the loan window still open is a absolute disgrace, sort it out Coates!!!! Problem is whilst the owners make all the right noises to us re getting back to the Premiership I’m convinced behind closed doors they have no intention whatsoever of doing so. What makes me angry and very sad this morning is that I personally don’t think I will ever see us play in the Premiership again during my lifetime due to this approach. I have no hard facts to back up my statement re the Coates family just a horrible gut feeling that League 1 awaits us next season with owners who couldn’t appear to care anymore. it just seems that we are destined to spend years in the wilderness unfortunately
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Aug 25, 2019 7:19:09 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 25, 2019 7:19:09 GMT
Sacking him is the only hope of that not happening. I agree that he has to be sacked but how much confidence has anybody got of our owners replacing him with the right man? ..... and so the whole sorry circus would continue I fear- sack the next one, rinse and repeat. It Will get worse before it gets better and until the ownership and CEO move on, this is our bed and we have to lie in it
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Post by tosh on Aug 25, 2019 7:20:45 GMT
Sacking him is the only hope of that not happening. I bet you can’t wait to start banging on about sacking Jones’s replacement He’s almost certainly right though. If you compare Jones confident, impassioned explanations of his objectives, system and “process” with his actual actions, recruitment, performances and results so far, it is chalk and cheese. All the evidence is that he is taking us down. His assistant at Luton must have been really good or he benefitted from a huge dose of beginner’s luck, because the Jones/Hart combination here looks totally out of its depth and clueless as to how to steady the ship. Every move they make is making it worse!
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Post by spoton on Aug 25, 2019 7:29:18 GMT
I know that we can't carry on like this but we have to think about the situation which is since the liverpool cup game it has spiraled for some reason and since then we have lost Hughes, rowett and possibly Jones if this carrys on so where do we go because all these managers aren't all bad, we could go for another manager and be in the same boat we can't keep firing managers like this. Something is happening at this club and I don't know what it is first Scholes has to go, going on holiday whilst this is happening and the loan window still open is a absolute disgrace, sort it out Coates!!!! Problem is whilst the owners make all the right noises to us re getting back to the Premiership I’m convinced behind closed doors they have no intention whatsoever of doing so. What makes me angry and very sad this morning is that I personally don’t think I will ever see us play in the Premiership again during my lifetime due to this approach. I have no hard facts to back up my statement re the Coates family just a horrible gut feeling that League 1 awaits us next season with owners who couldn’t appear to care anymore. I've had a season ticket now for 40years and said straight away when we were relegated if we don't bounce straight back up then i would not see them play in top flight in my lifetime, but in saying that if the team competed in the top 8 of the championship i would be happy
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Jones out
Aug 25, 2019 7:39:20 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 25, 2019 7:39:20 GMT
Do you think Jones can sort this out? Honestly? If he can't then next season we're back in the third tier. Not really answering my question there, you politician you
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Aug 25, 2019 7:43:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 7:43:11 GMT
If he can't then next season we're back in the third tier. Not really answering my question there, you politician you I notice you didn't disagree with my excellent point General. I'm glad we're on the same page.
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Jones out
Aug 25, 2019 7:48:20 GMT
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Post by zerps on Aug 25, 2019 7:48:20 GMT
I bet you can’t wait to start banging on about sacking Jones’s replacement Your making yourself look a twat again Try learning to write in English before you bang on about people showing themselves up. Whoever you are.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 25, 2019 7:48:37 GMT
It’s amazing really that despite spending lots of cash that we could be looking for our 4th manager in just over 18 months
I came into this season really believing that we would make a good fist of things and there was some early promise but yesterday was just a penny dropping moment.
The selection was baffling, that Cousins is useless, Gregory runs hard but that’s it, don’t rate Lindsay and CV looked poor, in fact none of Jones’s players this far have looked any good but they all came with glowing reputations so it can only be the shape, training, tactics and I’m afraid nervousness
He made 6 changes for yesterday, which tells you despite all the talk about having a team to be proud of he actually doesn’t know himself.
Personally I think he’s a dead man walking
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