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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2019 20:27:42 GMT
"Last year the start here cost one manager [Gary Rowett] his job," the Welshman added."It might cost me mine, you never know. It's not for the want of trying but something has to change, whether that's the manager or the mentality of the players."Asked whether he has the support of the owners, Jones added: "Yeah, as far as I'm aware. "I've got a good relationship with them, they see the work we are doing but that won't continue forever. I know that."[BBC]
Definitely fearing for his position. Doesn't sound like he'd fall on his sword though. Interesting he sees it as him or change of players mentality that needed, first signs of a split between manager and players? If he’s not crystal clear on where our owners stand he’s in for the chop. He would know if he had their support. I thought you had to have full backing for the chop?!
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Aug 24, 2019 20:33:35 GMT
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 24, 2019 20:33:35 GMT
"Last year the start here cost one manager [Gary Rowett] his job," the Welshman added."It might cost me mine, you never know. It's not for the want of trying but something has to change, whether that's the manager or the mentality of the players."Asked whether he has the support of the owners, Jones added: "Yeah, as far as I'm aware. "I've got a good relationship with them, they see the work we are doing but that won't continue forever. I know that."[BBC]
Definitely fearing for his position. Doesn't sound like he'd fall on his sword though. Interesting he sees it as him or change of players mentality that needed, first signs of a split between manager and players? Sounds to me as if he's very much in the dark regarding his future as it currently stands but he perhaps has a feeling he's on thin ice and he'll continue until he is told otherwise. Woods and vokes not being involved is an interesting one pre match they were seen doing fitness work on the pitch so don't know if they were injured or not I haven't seen them mentioned in any post match interviews unless I've missed something.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 20:40:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 20:40:30 GMT
If he’s not crystal clear on where our owners stand he’s in for the chop. He would know if he had their support. I thought you had to have full backing for the chop?! They aren’t going to tell him if they are looking at options behind the scenes. If he had their full support regardless he would know about it for sure.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2019 20:40:43 GMT
Club signed a good up and coming manager to try and build something.... unfortunately it hasn’t worked out ! Don’t blame jones he was out of his depth... don’t blame the club either, for trying,... but after 30 games of shit they must realise that the project as FAILED I agree with the sympathy for Jones, as he is a decent guy who was on the cusp of becoming a half decent coach, before being thrust into a fight for a different weight of boxer. But really, don't blame the Board? We expect all - managers, players, board to do the best they can. Yet of all the managers, the Board choose a guy who has never managed in this league, never managed under high expectations, never managed a budget over 3 bob, never imposed a system on another, never even learned his coaching stripes off a manager who has done those things. You are saying that they could not have done better, even though lower league managers have no record of getting teams up from the Champs, other than teams they built, and actually serially been found out (aka Hurst the year before), and even though we clearly had enough money to spend 70m odd on players this last 12 months, so surely had enough to get a decent manager? The fact they chose him, and Lambert before, suggests they choose managers who will be compliant, grateful and uncritical, lest they feel their authority challenged by someone who wouldn't tolerate their dysfunction. It feels a cosy boys club in the Boardroom. Just a hunch. But the chose of Jones didn't just lack ambition, it lacked brains and felt compromised by self interest.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 24, 2019 20:46:03 GMT
Club signed a good up and coming manager to try and build something.... unfortunately it hasn’t worked out ! Don’t blame jones he was out of his depth... don’t blame the club either, for trying,... but after 30 games of shit they must realise that the project as FAILED I agree with the sympathy for Jones, as he is a decent guy who was on the cusp of becoming a half decent coach, before being thrust into a fight for a different weight of boxer. But really, don't blame the Board? We expect all - managers, players, board to do the best they can. Yet of all the managers, the Board choose a guy who has never managed in this league, never managed under high expectations, never managed a budget over 3 bob, never imposed a system on another, never even learned his coaching stripes off a manager who has done those things. You are saying that they could not have done better, even though lower league managers have no record of getting teams up from the Champs, and actually serially been found out (aka Hurst the year before), and even though we clearly had enough money to spend 70m odd on players this last 12 months, so surely had enough to get a decent manager? The fact they chose him, and Lambert before, suggests they choose managers who will be compliant, grateful and uncritical, lest they feel their authority challenged by someone who wouldn't tolerate their dysfunction. It feels a cosy boys club in the Boardroom. Just a hunch. But the chose of Jones didn't just lack ambition, it lacked brains and felt compromised by self interest. Seen it many times in my 46 year working life, they don't want somebody who rocks the boat , because it may expose them as being a fraud.
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2019 20:46:47 GMT
Club signed a good up and coming manager to try and build something.... unfortunately it hasn’t worked out ! Don’t blame jones he was out of his depth... don’t blame the club either, for trying,... but after 30 games of shit they must realise that the project as FAILED I agree with the sympathy for Jones, as he is a decent guy who was on the cusp of becoming a half decent coach, before being thrust into a fight for a different weight of boxer. But really, don't blame the Board? We expect all - managers, players, board to do the best they can. Yet of all the managers, the Board choose a guy who has never managed in this league, never managed under high expectations, never managed a budget over 3 bob, never imposed a system on another, never even learned his coaching stripes off a manager who has done those things. You are saying that they could not have done better, even though lower league managers have no record of getting teams up from the Champs, and actually serially been found out (aka Hurst the year before), and even though we clearly had enough money to spend 70m odd on players this last 12 months, so surely had enough to get a decent manager? The fact they chose him, and Lambert before, suggests they choose managers who will be compliant, grateful and uncritical, lest they feel their authority challenged by someone who wouldn't tolerate their dysfunction. It feels a cosy boys club in the Boardroom. Just a hunch. But the chose of Jones didn't just lack ambition, it lacked brains and felt compromised by self interest. The choice of the last three managers has made little sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 20:47:40 GMT
Apart from Scholes' generally perceived shortcomings I feel a lot of the blame over Lamber, Rowett, and Jones must lie with Jon Coates. Our malaise seems to have gathered speed since he took over the reigns from Peter. It seems as though he hasn't got a clue over these appointments and the club is floundering as a result.
We need to go back to a solid, experienced manager to stop the rot and hopefully turn the club back onto an upward curve. To continue with Jones is just confirming our continued decline.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 24, 2019 20:48:52 GMT
Jones was appointed after a “tip off “ in the pub as stated by a key stskeholder , can you even imagine how bad the next patsy could be if we don’t address the core issue which is who is deciding on and recruiting the managers , who is running the process that window after window destroys the quality of the squad
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 20:54:02 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2019 20:54:02 GMT
If he’s not crystal clear on where our owners stand he’s in for the chop. He would know if he had their support. I thought you had to have full backing for the chop?! We're such a f*cked up mess of a club at the moment that when our Chairman says "The Manager has our full confidence at this moment" We mean it. 😁😁
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2019 20:54:55 GMT
Jones was appointed after a “tip off “ in the pub as stated by a key stskeholder , can you even imagine how bad the next patsy could be if we don’t address the core issue which is who is deciding on and recruiting the managers , who is running the process that window after window destroys the quality of the squad Please can I pick the next manager then?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2019 20:57:59 GMT
I thought you had to have full backing for the chop?! We're such a f*cked up mess of a club at the moment that when our Chairman says "The Manager has our full confidence at this moment" We mean it. 😁😁 Has he worked out what all the fuss is about yet d'you reckon
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Post by nutterpotter on Aug 24, 2019 20:59:24 GMT
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Aug 24, 2019 21:02:26 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 21:02:26 GMT
If Rowett had have kept his mouth shut a bit, he'd still be in a job now. No denying though that though the footie was shite, we were still getting the odd win. Nothing of the sort since Jones started.
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Post by eddyclamp on Aug 24, 2019 21:06:33 GMT
I think Jones is out of his depth you can't keep making wholesale changes and them blaming the players
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 21:06:46 GMT
Given how shite we now are, sacking Rowett when we did seems a bit hasty. Hindsight is wonderful though isn't it? It seemed the right thing at the time and I supported the decision.
I reckon we'd have finished a bit higher than we did had Rowett stayed but he was never going to lead us back to the top flight. Don't think anyone will be for a couple of decades, a lot of us have seen how this pans out from last time.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2019 21:06:51 GMT
Doesn't make sense. NJ has weeded out the bomb squad so why are the same disruptive players causing this mess? Unless of course not ALL the bad apple are in the bomb squad yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:07:01 GMT
Are people slowly waking up to where the real problems are?
Panicking that Jones might go and get replaced by a complete duck egg?
Bit late for that now.
Wake up. We're run by complete clowns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:07:09 GMT
Bollocks. Was Shawcross disruptive? Was Bojan disruptive? No they were. Gary Rowett was a first class arrogant prick of the highest order who spent £50m and managed to make us worse.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 21:07:24 GMT
I think Jones is out of his depth you can't keep making wholesale changes and them blaming the players But we fans demanded wholesale changes.
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Aug 24, 2019 21:07:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:07:51 GMT
Doesn't make sense. NJ has weeded out the bomb squad so why are the same disruptive players causing this mess? Unless of course not ALL the bad apple are in the bomb squad yet? He said they were so either he’s an idiot or he’s turned the good apples into bad ones through his own incompetency.
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Aug 24, 2019 21:10:57 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2019 21:10:57 GMT
Does Percy think they will stick with Jones?. Not on twitter.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 21:13:02 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2019 21:13:17 GMT
Doesn't make sense. NJ has weeded out the bomb squad so why are the same disruptive players causing this mess? Unless of course not ALL the bad apple are in the bomb squad yet? He said they were so either he’s an idiot or he’s turned the good apples into bad ones through his own incompetency. Put together the quote I put above about changing the mentality of the players, with the disruptive issues from Percy, and the bomb squad then either: Percy is months out of date with his comments (nowt new) or Jones is creating new bad apples as you say.
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Post by eddyclamp on Aug 24, 2019 21:15:50 GMT
I think Jones is out of his depth you can't keep making wholesale changes and them blaming the players But we fans demanded wholesale changes. Allen was dropped to suit the masses but are you telling me that Cousins is a better footballer? I saw the team sheet today and thought we would get done 5-0 Leeds are not that good and took the piss We are not even out of August and we are in massive trouble Apart from 3-4 players we are a pile of disorganised shit with no plan and no way forward
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Post by serpico on Aug 24, 2019 21:17:41 GMT
I think Jones is out of his depth you can't keep making wholesale changes and them blaming the players But we fans demanded wholesale changes. True, people on here were clambering for the 352 and he more or less played it (Duffy probably slight behind the front man) and it didn’t work, in fact it backfired spectacularly as we has precisely 1 shot in 70 odd minutes. He’d have been better playing the exact same side/formation he picked for the derby game. Imo he should go to a traditional 442 now (if he’s still in a job)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:23:33 GMT
That's lovely John but he wasn't a line leader at Wolves and he isn't at Bristol. Well done for avoiding th excellent point that Rob was making! FFS!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:25:46 GMT
He said they were so either he’s an idiot or he’s turned the good apples into bad ones through his own incompetency. Put together the quote I put above about changing the mentality of the players, with the disruptive issues from Percy, and the bomb squad then either: Percy is months out of date with his comments (nowt new) or Jones is creating new bad apples as you say. I’m just so sick of it. I’m so sick of our players getting accused of this. He had a bomb squad so he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Even in the bomb squad I don’t believe Diouf, BMI or Pieters were bad apples. I know I’m not there but I just can’t see it. By all accounts Jones has already pissed of Adam Davies (see Adam Davies thread) and I don’t blame Bauer either if he’s got the hump because giving him a new contract without knowing the new manager wanted him. This whole narrative has gone on long enough and has been blown out of proportion. We had some absolute assholes - Imbula, Wimmer, Ndiaye, Berahino, Choupo-Moting, Jese but the vast majority of our relegation squad weren’t bad apples - Shawcross, Bruno, Pieters, Butland, Allen, Diouf, Charlie, Bojan, Bauer (at that time). They tried under Lambert they really did. We never bought a striker. I’m sick of their reputations being tarnished and it’s damaging us as well as them because no-one will want them. The people that let us down last year were the ones Rowett bought - Afobe, Ince, Woods, Clucas. They were the ones you could see weren’t trying at various points but to their credit they have looked like they are trying this year (Afobe aside). He needs to take accountability and stop throwing our players under the bus. My loyalty lies with the players right now not him.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 24, 2019 21:26:58 GMT
But we fans demanded wholesale changes. Allen was dropped to suit the masses but are you telling me that Cousins is a better footballer? I saw the team sheet today and thought we would get done 5-0 Leeds are not that good and took the piss We are not even out of August and we are in massive trouble Apart from 3-4 players we are a pile of disorganised shit with no plan and no way forward I don't disagree with anything you say. It's time for Jones to go, sadly.
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Jones out
Aug 24, 2019 21:28:54 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2019 21:28:54 GMT
That's lovely John but he wasn't a line leader at Wolves and he isn't at Bristol. Well done for avoiding th excellent point that Rob was making! FFS! Haven't seen one of your That's Lovely posts in a while!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 24, 2019 21:32:22 GMT
Must admit my faith in NJ is fading game by game, and I think it's getting very close to where we need to replace him. When we do I hope we bring in an experienced manager to steady the ship so we avoid relegation. I really can't see now how we can turn this season into a promotion chasing one. I wouldn't even mind seeing TP here for the rest of the season.
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