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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 7, 2019 18:16:25 GMT
Mr Jones talks up a fast attacking style of football and he did deliver in his previous role promoting youngsters
Is it a Stoke thing that makes any manager do the opposite?
Powell and maybe Gregory aside the recruitment is just weird
Maybe Campbell isn’t the answer but how do they know without giving him a go? Same with Edwards and Verlinden
I really don’t understand what he has to loose compared to the current in disguise none effective hoofball served up to date
Yet again another manager whose subs were too late at the last game
Who really is running this decline? And getting away with it?
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Post by Goonie on Aug 7, 2019 18:19:49 GMT
Mr Jones talks up a fast attacking style of football and he did deliver mmin his previous role promote youngsters Is it a Stoke thing that makes any manager do the opposite? Powell and maybe Gregory aside the recruitment is just weird Maybe Campbell isn’t the answer but how do they know without giving him a go? Same with Edwards and Verlinden I really don’t understand what he has to loose compared to the current in disguise none effective hoofball served up to date Yet again another manager whose subs were too late at the last game Who really is running this decline? And getting away with it? You're not alone in your confusion Bangs on about the diamond and fails to recruit to it |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:22:34 GMT
Maybe he does need more time to implement everything. A standard club will need a transitional period and with the mess we are in, well we are anything but standard.
There does have to be a feeling of progression though, these next 5 games are fucking massive for Jones and the club. I'm terrified personally.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 7, 2019 18:24:43 GMT
He’s taking piss sound of us fans. Saying one thing and doing the other I’m really starting to not like him. He’s no different to rowett with his arrogance.
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Post by onyourbonce on Aug 7, 2019 18:29:42 GMT
Stoke manager = yes man. Hands tied
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Post by wuzza on Aug 7, 2019 18:34:36 GMT
Yep - Jones has been all over the shop both with his on field tactics and his off field utterances. Equally with his transfer ‘policy’.
If it all doesn’t settle down soon into some sort of coherent and successful system I can see blood on the tracks before Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:37:47 GMT
He’s taking piss sound of us fans. Saying one thing and doing the other I’m really starting to not like him. He’s no different to rowett with his arrogance. His and Rowetts mannerisms and interviews are incomparable. What absolute bollocks. Jones says when we're shite, he makes it clear we aren't there yet, should we be? maybe. His interviews are very honest. Let's go back to Lambert, everything was terrific while we got relegated. |
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Post by onyourbonce on Aug 7, 2019 18:38:03 GMT
Yep - Jones has been all over the shop both with his on field tactics and his off field utterances. Equally with his transfer ‘policy’. If it all doesn’t settle down soon into some sort of coherent and successful system I can see blood on the tracks before Christmas. Then we can get another manager in who we can give no time to and berate for not being able to correct the clubs clusterfucks. Then when he fails, we can do it again. And again. And again |
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Post by Meirparkstokie on Aug 7, 2019 18:39:32 GMT
Plays fast energetic football and then signs Bulk Hogan
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 7, 2019 18:41:07 GMT
He’s taking piss sound of us fans. Saying one thing and doing the other I’m really starting to not like him. He’s no different to rowett with his arrogance. What a load of rubbish! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:41:45 GMT
We could keep complaining about it, or we could give him 8-10 games to see how things evolve.
We need to get back into the habit of winning football matches and build from there, let’s not panic after one game just yet though.....
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 7, 2019 18:44:57 GMT
I'm confused myself - but willing to give him time. He said anybody coming in at this stage would have to be better than what we've already got - I don't know if Hogan is.
Having said that - we all know the problems at the club are huge and aren't going to be solved overnight so I'm willing to give NJ the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 7, 2019 18:47:12 GMT
He’s taking piss sound of us fans. Saying one thing and doing the other I’m really starting to not like him. He’s no different to rowett with his arrogance. His and Rowetts mannerisms and interviews are incomparable. What absolute bollocks. Jones says when we're shite, he makes it clear we aren't there yet, should we be? maybe. His interviews are very honest. Let's go back to Lambert, everything was terrific while we got relegated. He says when we’re shite but does nothing about it. Saturday he said that there was no energy for 60 minutes, and took 70 minutes to change things by which time we were 2-0 down. He said that the Diamond was his preferred system, that we had been working on it all pre-season, yet it was impossible to notice anything other than no one seemed to know what their role was. He says that Left Wing Back is a specialist position, but then tries to shoe horn a left winger into the position. He says that these are my signings and that promotion is his aim - yet even his apostles say that he needs time; so who should we believe? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:47:26 GMT
Mr Jones talks up a fast attacking style of football and he did deliver in his previous role promoting youngsters Is it a Stoke thing that makes any manager do the opposite? Powell and maybe Gregory aside the recruitment is just weird Maybe Campbell isn’t the answer but how do they know without giving him a go? Same with Edwards and Verlinden I really don’t understand what he has to loose compared to the current in disguise none effective hoofball served up to date Yet again another manager whose subs were too late at the last game Who really is running this decline? And getting away with it? It's the biggest wet dream of the Coates family for years that we become self sufficient and we can only do that by producing quality in the academy - which we have finally accomplished after many false starts - but every new manager that comes in, especially the last three, are so scared of losing their jobs that they're not going to risk losing it by using inexperienced players, unless they're absolutely forced to do so by injuries or suspension. The other two previous managers just didn't pick youth players very often on principle. However the owners don't interfere in any football decisions, except hiring and firing. You can call it doing it by the book or you can call it passively "running this decline". Even if they are wrong they can get away with it, because they own every inch of the club. I don't think there are many Stokies who'd challenge that situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:48:57 GMT
He’s taking piss sound of us fans. Saying one thing and doing the other I’m really starting to not like him. He’s no different to rowett with his arrogance. His and Rowetts mannerisms and interviews are incomparable. What absolute bollocks. Jones says when we're shite, he makes it clear we aren't there yet, should we be? maybe. His interviews are very honest. Let's go back to Lambert, everything was terrific while we got relegated. Yes he's very honest in his interviews. He just lies, that's all. |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 7, 2019 18:54:02 GMT
Yep - Jones has been all over the shop both with his on field tactics and his off field utterances. Equally with his transfer ‘policy’. If it all doesn’t settle down soon into some sort of coherent and successful system I can see blood on the tracks before Christmas. Then we can get another manager in who we can give no time to and berate for not being able to correct the clubs clusterfucks. Then when he fails, we can do it again. And again. And again Don’t agree at all. Jones is a big boy and responsible for his own mistakes (or successes). Nobody else is picking the team or telling them how to play -and to be fair if things go wrong I don’t think he will be seeking to hide behind conspiracy theories or other random excuses. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 7, 2019 18:57:01 GMT
He’s taking piss sound of us fans. Saying one thing and doing the other I’m really starting to not like him. He’s no different to rowett with his arrogance. His and Rowetts mannerisms and interviews are incomparable. What absolute bollocks. Jones says when we're shite, he makes it clear we aren't there yet, should we be? maybe. His interviews are very honest. Let's go back to Lambert, everything was terrific while we got relegated. [br He might say when we r shit mate but did I say he didn’t I said he is as arrogant as rowett. We will see on satdee |
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 7, 2019 18:58:28 GMT
I have to say his recruitment has taken me by surprise. I think I heard somewhere in his tirade of positivity that he likes young athletic and hungry players (sic).
We get Sam Vokes (30 in Oct), Lee Gregory (31 in Aug),Tommy Smith (27), Scott Hogan (27) and the evergreen Stephen Ward (34 in Aug).
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2019 18:59:38 GMT
I think it's down to pressure to try get results, even though it obviously isn't working, though we did start to get tighter at the back at the end of last season.
I think stoke managers start with the intention to do this and that, then the pressure to get a result or not lose makes them go to the steady eddy type players who he can maybe trust a bit more.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 7, 2019 19:01:02 GMT
He’s taking piss sound of us fans. Saying one thing and doing the other I’m really starting to not like him. He’s no different to rowett with his arrogance. His and Rowetts mannerisms and interviews are incomparable. What absolute bollocks. Jones says when we're shite, he makes it clear we aren't there yet, should we be? maybe. His interviews are very honest. Let's go back to Lambert, everything was terrific while we got relegated. Lambert was unlucky we went down n the facts are there to prove it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 19:05:29 GMT
I have to say his recruitment has taken me by surprise. I think I heard somewhere in his tirade of positivity that he likes young athletic and hungry players (sic). We get Sam Vokes (30 in Oct), Lee Gregory (31 in Aug),Tommy Smith (27), Scott Hogan (27) and the evergreen Stephen Ward (34 in Aug). Said what we want to hear. Appears to talk out of his arse. Some of us pointed this out weeks ago but I think it’s only now hitting home and people are realising the words and actions do not match up. |
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Post by jonparkinsgut on Aug 7, 2019 19:07:34 GMT
Maybe he does need more time to implement everything. A standard club will need a transitional period and with the mess we are in, well we are anything but standard. There does have to be a feeling of progression though, these next 5 games are fucking massive for Jones and the club. I'm terrified personally. But not as terrified as a certain Mr Jones might be! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 19:14:34 GMT
Plays fast energetic football and then signs Bulk Hogan Apparently reasonably quick so your point falls at the 1st hurdle |
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Post by onyourbonce on Aug 7, 2019 19:14:52 GMT
Then we can get another manager in who we can give no time to and berate for not being able to correct the clubs clusterfucks. Then when he fails, we can do it again. And again. And again Don’t agree at all. Jones is a big boy and responsible for his own mistakes (or successes). Nobody else is picking the team or telling them how to play -and to be fair if things go wrong I don’t think he will be seeking to hide behind conspiracy theories or other random excuses. So you can’t see what I’m saying happening? Even tho it’s on the verge of it? Our club has been a shit show for 3 years, and we expect every manager to make a few signings and turn it all around? On top of that, the signings are made by a recruitment team, they arnt identified directly by the manager. As in pretty much every other club these days. |
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 7, 2019 19:16:55 GMT
Pressure to hit the ground running.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 7, 2019 19:21:39 GMT
The whole transfer policy lurches from one disaster to the next.
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Post by pavel on Aug 7, 2019 19:23:04 GMT
I have to say his recruitment has taken me by surprise. I think I heard somewhere in his tirade of positivity that he likes young athletic and hungry players (sic). We get Sam Vokes (30 in Oct), Lee Gregory (31 in Aug),Tommy Smith (27), Scott Hogan (27) and the evergreen Stephen Ward (34 in Aug). Damning and add McClean at fullback, it’s a shit storm of a recruitment plan. Diametrically opposite. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 7, 2019 19:23:25 GMT
Plays fast energetic football and then signs Bulk Hogan He will be one of the quickest players at the club |
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 7, 2019 19:26:51 GMT
Priorities, other than the number 10 (Powell is a decent signing there to be fair), should have been left back, a defensive midfielder and a winger to give us a plan B when the diamond isn't working. Cousins & Ward are risky moves for such key positions and fear the lack of wingers is going to really bite.
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Post by Meirparkstokie on Aug 7, 2019 19:28:05 GMT
Plays fast energetic football and then signs Bulk Hogan Apparently reasonably quick so your point falls at the 1st hurdle Not in that shape he won’t be, he doesn’t look like he’s done a pre season? |
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