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Post by RAF on Aug 17, 2019 20:18:02 GMT
He was embarassing first half, miles better in the second half. Come on tell me what you saw that makes you think differently? H Literally everyone on here is saying he was brilliant, including loads of people who hate him as an individual and don't rate him as a player. The idea that he was an 'embarrassment' in the first half is moronic even by Oatcake standards. He didn't get skinned countless times. That literally never happened. You just don't like him because of the IRA stuff and you are ex-army. I'm ex-army with my username? Fucking hell no wonder you didn't see how poor he was in the first half, your observational skills are on par with Mr McGoo. I gave him 6.5 today which I thought was fair. If I assessed him on anything to do with the IRA surely I would give him zero every time? H |
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Post by RAF on Aug 17, 2019 20:20:56 GMT
He was embarassing first half, miles better in the second half. Come on tell me what you saw that makes you think differently? H I'm not the one making outlandish statements.I've already had a conversation with one of my mates post match and coincidentally he agrees with you.Yes,he's ex-forces too. What is exactly outlandish about saying he had a shocking first half and a fairly decent second half? I think you are a bit mental if I'm honest. H |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 17, 2019 20:31:16 GMT
I'm not the one making outlandish statements.I've already had a conversation with one of my mates post match and coincidentally he agrees with you.Yes,he's ex-forces too. What is exactly outlandish about saying he had a shocking first half and a fairly decent second half? I think you are a bit mental if I'm honest. H Sunday league,embarassing,shocking.You think that describes McClean's first half performance? I'm mental  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 20:32:40 GMT
With the ball at his feet he’s as good as Allen. Wank
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Post by neilb987 on Aug 17, 2019 20:35:33 GMT
Most of the team were crap in the first 20 minutes. After that I thought McClean performed well, along with Clucas who is much better on the left of the diamond than on the right.
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Post by RAF on Aug 17, 2019 20:36:16 GMT
What is exactly outlandish about saying he had a shocking first half and a fairly decent second half? I think you are a bit mental if I'm honest. H Sunday league,embarassing,shocking.You think that describes McClean's first half performance? I'm mental I thought he was shocking first half. You didn't. Fucking massive shock, football fans disagree. At least I've tried to explain why I thought this, unlike you who have offered nothing in return. Move on. H |
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Post by philm87 on Aug 17, 2019 20:38:15 GMT
Literally everyone on here is saying he was brilliant, including loads of people who hate him as an individual and don't rate him as a player. The idea that he was an 'embarrassment' in the first half is moronic even by Oatcake standards. He didn't get skinned countless times. That literally never happened. You just don't like him because of the IRA stuff and you are ex-army. I'm ex-army with my username? Fucking hell no wonder you didn't see how poor he was in the first half, your observational skills are on par with Mr McGoo. I gave him 6.5 today which I thought was fair. If I assessed him on anything to do with the IRA surely I would give him zero every time? H Sorry I'm a civilian so RAF and army - it's all the same to me. Point is you clearly have some other reason for thinking McClean played poorly given that as I said, almost everyone agrees he played well today including those who do not rate him (and I include myself in that category). |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 17, 2019 20:39:57 GMT
Sunday league,embarassing,shocking.You think that describes McClean's first half performance? I'm mental I thought he was shocking first half. You didn't. Fucking massive shock, football fans disagree. At least I've tried to explain why I thought this, unlike you who have offered nothing in return. Move on. H Come again. How have you tried to explain it? |
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Post by RAF on Aug 17, 2019 20:45:36 GMT
I'm ex-army with my username? Fucking hell no wonder you didn't see how poor he was in the first half, your observational skills are on par with Mr McGoo. I gave him 6.5 today which I thought was fair. If I assessed him on anything to do with the IRA surely I would give him zero every time? H Sorry I'm a civilian so RAF and army - it's all the same to me. Point is you clearly have some other reason for thinking McClean played poorly given that as I said, almost everyone agrees he played well today including those who do not rate him (and I include myself in that category). No, that is you wanting to think that. If you read the threads available there are several posters who thought he had a poor first half. I think he had a poor first half because that is what I observed. If you or anyone else think differently that's cool with me and I won't accuse you of being an IRA sympathiser either. H |
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Post by RAF on Aug 17, 2019 20:47:06 GMT
I thought he was shocking first half. You didn't. Fucking massive shock, football fans disagree. At least I've tried to explain why I thought this, unlike you who have offered nothing in return. Move on. H Come again. How have you tried to explain it? About 10 posts ago memory man. About 5 after you asked me to expand. H |
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 17, 2019 20:51:22 GMT
Can someone elaborate on what made McCleans first half shocking/poor etc?
Goal came from Smith not marking his man so wasn't that.
Was it the cross he did that lead to Allen's chance?
Was it his good tackling or getting forward but having no options available for him? 🙄
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Post by Uncle cheese on Aug 17, 2019 20:59:45 GMT
After woods man of the match for me
I’ve criticised both for being shit in the past
Well done chaps
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Post by Uncle cheese on Aug 17, 2019 21:00:13 GMT
Can someone elaborate on what made McCleans first half shocking/poor etc? Goal came from Smith not marking his man so wasn't that. Was it the cross he did that lead to Allen's chance? Was it his good tackling or getting forward but having no options available for him? 🙄 Nothing mate. |
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Post by philm87 on Aug 17, 2019 21:15:43 GMT
Come again. How have you tried to explain it? About 10 posts ago memory man. About 5 after you asked me to expand. H All you said was he got skinned countless time and gave the ball away loads. Neither of those things happened. You just made it up because you had already decided before the game. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 17, 2019 21:16:56 GMT
He was embarassing first half, miles better in the second half. Come on tell me what you saw that makes you think differently? H I'm not the one making outlandish statements.I've already had a conversation with one of my mates post match and coincidentally he agrees with you.Yes,he's ex-forces too. For me he wasn’t great at all in the 1st half, but he was miles better than Smith, he was very good in the second half and was getting better as the game went on. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 21:26:14 GMT
I'm not the one making outlandish statements.I've already had a conversation with one of my mates post match and coincidentally he agrees with you.Yes,he's ex-forces too. For me he wasn’t great at all in the 1st half, but he was miles better than Smith, he was very good in the second half and was getting better as the game went on. He's growing into the role and he plays with the confidence to suggest he is Arnautovic's long lost Irish cousin... |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 17, 2019 21:31:44 GMT
For me he wasn’t great at all in the 1st half, but he was miles better than Smith, he was very good in the second half and was getting better as the game went on. He's growing into the role and he plays with the confidence to suggest he is Arnautovic's long lost Irish cousin... He may do, let’s wait and see, if he does fair play to him and Jones. He wasn’t great in the first half but had a very good second half. I’m still not convinced we’ll see him play consistently like he did in the second half, to error prone for me |
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Post by RAF on Aug 17, 2019 22:09:38 GMT
About 10 posts ago memory man. About 5 after you asked me to expand. H All you said was he got skinned countless time and gave the ball away loads. Neither of those things happened. You just made it up because you had already decided before the game. They did in the game I watched and I've just watched it again. My opinion has not changed. If I was going to make something up if your theory about my opinion is correct surely I would have just said he was shit all game, which he wasn't , or just not said anything at all? It's my opinion, you disagree. Get over yourself, your theory is as bobbins as your observational skills. Move on. H |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 17, 2019 22:47:13 GMT
Our left sided McClean-Clucas axis had probably 2 of the most odious Stoke players I can remember but I thought both did well today.
McClean being isolated in the first 25 minutes whenever the ball went in his vicinity was poor on the team's behalf.
Going forward he won a few corners today and he generally puts in a good ball 1 in 3 attempts when he knocks it infront of himself and crosses without thinking.
Both solid 7s today though.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 17, 2019 22:49:37 GMT
He and the manager look to have a decent chance of making a few eat humble pie
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 18, 2019 0:05:00 GMT
With the ball at his feet he’s as good as Allen. Wank I don't think he's that bad with the ball at his feet. Given space, he actually turns a lot of people inside out but it's all irrelevant because by time he gets into a position to shoot/cross he fluffs it. He put in a wicked ball today but unfortunately everyone else was 20 yards behind where it landed! Allen too has tidy footwork but his passing and positioning is abysmal 98% of the time. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 18, 2019 6:59:03 GMT
I'm not the one making outlandish statements.I've already had a conversation with one of my mates post match and coincidentally he agrees with you.Yes,he's ex-forces too. What is exactly outlandish about saying he had a shocking first half and a fairly decent second half? I think you are a bit mental if I'm honest. H Because he had a good first half and an outstanding second half, there is no way his first half was “embarrassing” |
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Post by fca47 on Aug 18, 2019 7:10:08 GMT
You've got to have a pathological hatred of him to criticise his performance yesterday. He wasn't perfect but if you wanted to pick someone out for errors you wouldn't pick him.
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Post by webby137 on Aug 18, 2019 7:15:34 GMT
I kinda of feel sorry for him, he knows he not a lb, we all know he's not a lb but jones seems to keep pushing him into that position, bit like a pushy parent.
He has been given alot of stick on here In the past and 75% has been deserved,but I thought he was brilliant yesterday, he is not a lb, but he is giving it a bloody good go!
Remember this is good progress, just look at him 10 games ago, now think how he could be in 10 games, there is positive progress
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Post by walrus on Aug 18, 2019 7:19:33 GMT
His positioning was soooo much better yesterday.
Maybe having a proper left sided centre half inside him helped with that.
I also thought he had his best game going forward in ages.
My only slight criticism is he got done a couple of times when he went towards the ball too quickly and made it easy for the winger to flick it past him.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 18, 2019 7:25:46 GMT
We are leaking goals,not all McCleans fault,but he is part of the team at the back that's needs sorting,untill it is,we are going to keep dropping pts.
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Post by RAF on Aug 18, 2019 7:45:19 GMT
What is exactly outlandish about saying he had a shocking first half and a fairly decent second half? I think you are a bit mental if I'm honest. H Because he had a good first half and an outstanding second half, there is no way his first half was “embarrassing” That's your opinion I respect that is what you think. I disagree. Move on H |
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Post by RAF on Aug 18, 2019 7:55:05 GMT
You've got to have a pathological hatred of him to criticise his performance yesterday. He wasn't perfect but if you wanted to pick someone out for errors you wouldn't pick him. You've said yourself his performance wasn't perfect and this is a thread about him. The levels of how people see 'Not Perfect' are down to opinion. If it was down to pathological hatred he would have been rated crap all game surely? The problem here is endeavour satisfies alot of people instead of actual product. Smith was ultra wank in comparison. H |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 18, 2019 7:58:15 GMT
James mclean will never have a perfect performance in a stoke shirt for obvious reasons. If Edward's or collins had his performance yesterday it would be the second coming of christ.
Stoke support, totally unbiased since 1863
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Post by neddy on Aug 18, 2019 7:59:04 GMT
Probably his best performance for us I’ve seen yesterday....
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