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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2019 10:31:24 GMT
I forecast it earlier this week in another thread. They identified our weakness at LB and constantly attacked him. He made their winger look good. Change the formation and Jimmy Mac in his normal position performed much better and put in a few very good balls into the penalty area, only to be wasted by our ineffective strikers. One positive from yesterday is hopefully, and God Willing, NJ now realises that the McClean LB experiment is not going to work. The system is not going to work with the players he has that includes the one's he brought in to play it, McClean is not and never will be LB it's not his fault that he is crap and not his fault the manger picks him, he was targeted at LB and will be as long as Jones keeps playing him there. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 4, 2019 10:35:50 GMT
In my opinion, McClean is an ok squad player, that's all. I don't even think he's as good as the much maligned Cameron; he's not as versatile.
He's not the answer in any position for a club aiming for promotion.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 4, 2019 11:02:20 GMT
Count the number of poor headers that went straight to the opposition, count the number of passes that went astray. Count our blessings that he (hopefully) won’t play there again. Why did Clucas take over from him if he was doing nothing wrong? He was dire Because we changed formation and Clucas isn't a wide player. So we moved McClean coz Clucas was having the poorer game of the two? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 4, 2019 12:08:08 GMT
Because we changed formation and Clucas isn't a wide player. So we moved McClean coz Clucas was having the poorer game of the two? I'm not sure how you come to that off my reply, I couldn't make it any easier, Clucas isn't a wide player/winger and McClean is so it's the obvious choice to put McClean on the wing. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 4, 2019 12:13:04 GMT
So we moved McClean coz Clucas was having the poorer game of the two? I'm not sure how you come to that off my reply, I couldn't make it any easier, Clucas isn't a wide player/winger and McClean is so it's the obvious choice to put McClean on the wing. TBH I’m still struggling to understand your statement that McC was your MoM, what are you basing that on? I saw a player playing at LB completely out of his depth and when he moved a player that looked reluctant to get on or receive the ball. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 4, 2019 13:12:22 GMT
To have any chance of going up,we need square pegs in square holes,even then they need to be good pegs,we ain't going anywhere by forcing shite square pegs into round holes.
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Post by supacoopa101 on Aug 4, 2019 15:32:49 GMT
It beggars belief how the club have failed to recognise that to play this diamond system you need an athletic, natural left wing back. By trying to convert McLean into a LWB, they have clearly pleaded ignorance to this fact. And according to insiders in the club, Scholes has said we are not in the market for a LWB.
It is this very ignorance that is going ruin this club.
Clubs are clearly going to recognise that McLean is an easy target and will get ripped apart down the left. Only then will they realise "oh shit maybe we should have got one these so called left backs"
It is nothing short of criminal and daft
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 4, 2019 15:44:05 GMT
For his first competitive game, McClean did well against opposition who were doing their best to try and exploit him.
In about 10 matches he will be much better.
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Post by rorystowel on Aug 4, 2019 15:46:14 GMT
JMac did just about ok yesterday. He gave 100% as usual, unlike many others. He wasn’t at fault for either of their goals, but he didn’t offer much going forward until he was played at LW in the latter stages.
We should have a natural wingback in that position though. There are 3 possibilities:
- NJ has told Scholes we don’t need to sign a LWB, JMac will work out fine, God willing
- We are actively trying to sign a LWB but for whatever reason have not managed to close a deal yet
- NJ isn’t allowed to sign a LWB until we’ve raised some transfer funds from Jack and co (which is looking less likely by the day)
My money is on the last option.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 4, 2019 15:56:17 GMT
JMac did just about ok yesterday. He gave 100% as usual, unlike many others. He wasn’t at fault for either of their goals, but he didn’t offer much going forward until he was played at LW in the latter stages. We should have a natural wingback in that position though. There are 3 possibilities: - NJ has told Scholes we don’t need to sign a LWB, JMac will work out fine, God willing - We are actively trying to sign a LWB but for whatever reason have not managed to close a deal yet - NJ isn’t allowed to sign a LWB until we’ve raised some transfer funds from Jack and co (which is looking less likely by the day) My money is on the last option. So why did he spend the money on Smith so? Makes no sense |
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Post by rorystowel on Aug 4, 2019 16:02:41 GMT
I guess NJ wanted competition at RWB? It’s crazy that Smith is starting ahead of Edwards given the latter’s cracking form last season. I’ve seen Smith play twice for us now, and I’ve not seen anything to suggest he is an upgrade.
At LWB it’s equally crazy that JMac supposedly has competition from the ageing Stephen Ward.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 4, 2019 16:19:38 GMT
McClean was poor but he was far from our worst: I don't even think he was our worst FB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 16:22:24 GMT
McClean was poor but he was far from our worst: I don't even think he was our worst FB. I agree with this. I don’t know what Smith did until the last 10 minutes. Also didn’t help that they clearly wanted to attack down our left hand side and then when we had the ball Smith was never available in the first half to get the ball off the CB so they also had to keep going down the left hand side as McClean was making himself available. Felt a bit sorry for him tbh back and forth like a yo yo while Smith hid on the half way line. |
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Post by philm87 on Aug 4, 2019 18:45:22 GMT
Didn't think he did too badly. He's not a left back and their winger was very quick. In the circumstances his performance was okay. He is a mediocre player, who we paid too much money for and who does not fit a diamond formation. The main problem though will always be that he is 'James McClean' and a significant section of our fanbase will simply hate him for being Irish Catholic regardless of what he does on the pitch. How many headers went straight back to the opposition, how many passes went astray, doesn’t understand the positioning required. Nothing personal, just awful. Yeah one or two stray passes. Rustiness, guy getting used to a new position. He was not any worse than the others and that was despite him playing in an orthodox position. As for the headers I don't expect them to necessarily go straight to a Stoke player. The main thing for a defender is to win the lion's share of aerial duels which he certainly did. The only major issue was that one time near the start of the second half where his miscontrol nearly let them in. That aside, he wasn't too bad given he is adapting to a new position up against a very quick winger. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 4, 2019 18:47:13 GMT
Players who can play the wing-back role are rare. And McClean definitely isn't one of them.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 4, 2019 18:51:14 GMT
Didn't think he did too badly. He's not a left back and their winger was very quick. In the circumstances his performance was okay. He is a mediocre player, who we paid too much money for and who does not fit a diamond formation. The main problem though will always be that he is 'James McClean' and a significant section of our fanbase will simply hate him for being Irish Catholic regardless of what he does on the pitch. I honestly couldn't care less about his political views...I can fully understand why he takes the stance he does and personally don't have a problem with it. However, he is an absolutely dreadful footballer at this level. There are players in the Conference who are better than him. Personally, I have never particularly rated him as a player either. However, he mostly at least puts in effort. I feel he gets criticised far too quickly, fans get on his back too early at the game and that is clearly because of his political views. I have heard people shouting out sectarian abuse and whatever. And I highly doubt these people know anything about the intricacies of the conflict in Ireland, we just happen to have a lot of thick and racist dickheads among our support. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 4, 2019 23:19:33 GMT
I'm not sure how you come to that off my reply, I couldn't make it any easier, Clucas isn't a wide player/winger and McClean is so it's the obvious choice to put McClean on the wing. TBH I’m still struggling to understand your statement that McC was your MoM, what are you basing that on? I saw a player playing at LB completely out of his depth and when he moved a player that looked reluctant to get on or receive the ball. I don't see what he did wrong, okay a few clearing headers that went to the oppo but thats not a big problem, it was pretty clear we were happy with them having the ball out wide with being confident we could deal with crosses into the box, his positioning was fine for the most part, and he put in some good crosses and if Vokes or Afobe had done the basics of their role they'd have gotten a tap in at the back post (criminal that no one was there at the back post), there's a few saying he got done over and over and I don't remember them taking the ball round him once, the foul maybe. He made a couple of good tackles and imo was the best we had in the game, it could be my understanding of whats being asked of him is wrong but I honestly don't think it is. |
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Post by uskstokie on Aug 5, 2019 0:25:25 GMT
Jimmy has and always will be a wacking stick. Regardless of who he plays for. He could have a great game and people will still hate him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 5, 2019 6:16:39 GMT
Jimmy has and always will be a wacking stick. Regardless of who he plays for. He could have a great game and people will still hate him. And similarly he could be shit like he was on Saturday and some will still think it’s because of who he is that people are mentioning it. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 5, 2019 6:25:37 GMT
Jimmy has and always will be a wacking stick. Regardless of who he plays for. He could have a great game and people will still hate him. And similarly he could be shit like he was on Saturday and some will still think it’s because of who he is that people are mentioning it. i don’t think McClean is good enough as a left back or left winger and that’s got nothing to do with his religious beliefs. I just don’t understand Jones in why he’s now got 2 quality right backs it would seem and nothing on the left. I quite like Tommy Smith but lb should have been priority |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 5, 2019 6:30:30 GMT
Jimmy has and always will be a wacking stick. Regardless of who he plays for. He could have a great game and people will still hate him. I take it you are happy for him to be playing LB, he's a very poor footballer end of. |
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Post by superalexneil on Aug 5, 2019 6:38:15 GMT
Jimmy has and always will be a wacking stick. Regardless of who he plays for. He could have a great game and people will still hate him. Or he is just a terrible player? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 5, 2019 6:54:37 GMT
And similarly he could be shit like he was on Saturday and some will still think it’s because of who he is that people are mentioning it. i don’t think McClean is good enough as a left back or left winger and that’s got nothing to do with his religious beliefs. I just don’t understand Jones in why he’s now got 2 quality right backs it would seem and nothing on the left. I quite like Tommy Smith but lb should have been priority Oh it should and McClean has been stitched up here agreed. Thought Tommy Smith was quite a bit worse than McClean on Saturday too. |
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Post by uskstokie on Aug 5, 2019 7:48:05 GMT
Jimmy has and always will be a wacking stick. Regardless of who he plays for. He could have a great game and people will still hate him. I take it you are happy for him to be playing LB, he's a very poor footballer end of. Not really no just saying |
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Post by uskstokie on Aug 5, 2019 7:48:52 GMT
Jimmy has and always will be a wacking stick. Regardless of who he plays for. He could have a great game and people will still hate him. Or he is just a terrible player? He is a bad player, but it’s the baggage really I reckon |
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Post by superalexneil on Aug 5, 2019 8:58:38 GMT
Or he is just a terrible player? He is a bad player, but it’s the baggage really I reckon Cant disagree however i think that just adds to the fact he is useless. If he was useless but wasnt a p***k dont think he would get half as much abuse |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 5, 2019 14:16:53 GMT
Talking of abuse....
Stoke's Republic of Ireland midfielder McClean, who has been subjected to sectarian abuse in the past, was targeted at the Potters' home game against QPR.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 5, 2019 14:21:13 GMT
Talking of abuse.... Stoke's Republic of Ireland midfielder McClean, who has been subjected to sectarian abuse in the past, was targeted at the Potters' home game against QPR. Was he, I thought he got virtually no stick, I can’t reme anything in particular. Even when his name was called out it didn’t raise a booing? |
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 5, 2019 14:25:58 GMT
Was he awful at Left back on Saturday? For me no he wasn't.
Does that mean I want him at Left Back for the season? Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell no.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 5, 2019 14:37:43 GMT
Talking of abuse.... Stoke's Republic of Ireland midfielder McClean, who has been subjected to sectarian abuse in the past, was targeted at the Potters' home game against QPR. Was he, I thought he got virtually no stick, I can’t reme anything in particular. Even when his name was called out it didn’t raise a booing? The report of abuse (which is mentioned on the BBC Website) didn't make any in roads as to if it was Stoke or QPR fans. |
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